Poll: What lvl editor would you prefer for JK2?

[Vorax]

Originally posted by DeTRiTiC-iQ

Saying Radiant is more powerful than Jed is well... wrong. Radiant works with a more powerful engine, so the results can look better. But there are things you can make in Jed that are impossible to make in Radiant simply due to the lack of grid control in Radiant.

 

What do you mean grid controls? snaps for vector and vertex, adjustable grids? Radiant does those. What else are you thinking of.

 

I have never used Jed, but I find that hard to believe. I can't imagine anything that I could not build with a Radiant editor. I have seen photorealistic architecture developed in Radiant. Also, I hear that Jed and JK1 had no patch mesh capabilities, so there definetly are things that you can make with Radiant that you can't make with Jed.

 

Were the details in JK1 maps better then JK2 or more detailed? I never saw the game, so I can't say. Seeing that JK2 is new and based on Q3, I can't see it...but...

 

- Vorax

[VEGETA2K1]

i hacvnt played jk1 yet, but from some screens, its a 8bit game, anfd graphics kinda looks sheaper then half life.

[Guardian Omega]

I chose Jed because of one reason: the cleaving tool.

[Emon]

Originally posted by DaviJade

Jed is dead.

 

Radiant is a much more powerful editor. You'll see once you get used to it. Don't expect to make good levels right away. Hell your first few levels probably won't even be released.

 

JED obviously is for JK, but a newever version would be far superior to Radiant. Radiant is buggy, it often crashes, it's texture browser sucks, and it has a really poor GUI.

 

When you become a JED master like I have you'll realize that it's WAY more flexable than any Radiant editor. I also hear UnrealEd and the Serious Engine editor are really awesome compared to Radiant as well.

[Emon]

Originally posted by Dross

JK1 used the Quake Engine, so theoreticly you could do basic stuff, but no curves. QEradiant is the same thing as Q3radiant which JK2radiant is based from. GTK is a LOT better:

 

How about 3d freeroam, 64 undo levels, Undo something and it keeps tex alignment even and so many more options and fixes not to mention massive plugins and it runs better too

Someday GTK may have some support.

 

JK2radiant is only needed for textures, items, enemies, etc in Jedi knight 2

 

You sir are VERY VERY WRONG. JK did NOT use the Quake engine at ALL! The Quake engine runs on OpenGL, Jedi Knight runs on the SITH engine which runs on DirectX 5.0. The SITH engine uses sector-based levels, where as Quake uses brushes.

 

Also, Q3Radiant is slightly different than QERadiant. QERadiant is the Quake II editor, Q3Radiant is an updated version.

 

 

 

Also, DeT-iQ is right about JED. Radiant is a pain in the ass for vertex snapping and manipulation in many cases, it has lots of limits on it. There are some things you can do in Radiant which you cannot in JED, but JED is far more flexible, faster, has a way better GUI, and is overall more powerful for it's engine than Radiant is for it's engine.

[Jedi Howell]

JK1 is an 8 or 16 bit game(take you pic, it does both), with very low-poly preferences. It's not a pretty engine, but you can do a load of stuff with it. Make new entities without source code or compiling, for instance. And the cleaving tool was the a really great thing about JED.

 

on the jk2radiant subject, wtf is up with the lighting. I have a large desert scene, and I'm having a ton of trouble getting it to light properly. It's like the contrast is super high. Really bright right next to the light, nothing further away from it.

 

jh

 

jh

[Emon]

The JK/SITH engine supports 16-bit textures, which is the prettiest part about it. It's alpha blending is horridly ugly and buggy, though.

 

Jedi Howell, there's a way to statically light your level. You might want to add some static light to most or all of your level, then add a light source, like from the sun, to add shadows. It would be more realistic this way, too.

[Jedi Howell]

ok. err...how might i do that. just give me some general directions; im good at figuring things out once at the destination.

 

sorry; im used to the HL engine editing. quite n00b at anything particular to q3.

 

jh

[Emon]

1. Radiant tutorial sites: http://www.planetquake.com/quake1/hosted/editing.shtml - http://planetquake.com/qworkshop3

 

2. Half-Life is actually based on the Quake I engine, and Quake III is Quake II with better graphics which is Quake I with better graphics... so in a way, you might have a little bit of experiance.

 

I'm so used to the ease and power of JED that it's hard switching to something so crappy as Radiant...argh.

[Jedi Howell]

interesting...i thought HL was q2...

 

danke

 

jh

[VEGETA2K1]

emon, your wrong about a few things, quake1 didnt run openGL untill a bit later when they relased a GL version, before thta it was bit more crappy..dont rememerb what it renderd with before...

 

also, half life uses NO quake in it...(as u stated ^_^)

buut,,, quake2, is not a better quake1, well.. in a way it is.. but its really not, they probably used LITTLE tiny bit of source form it.. but that pretty much it, quake3 is also no run on quake2... 2 different engines they are... again since theyr by jhon carmack(sp?) im guessing they are quit similar..

[Vorax]

^^^ Actually Half Life was originally built on the Quake 2 engine.

 

It's even listed as a Quake engine product on ID's web site. Sierra licensed it and mod'd the heck out of it.

 

As for the complaints about Radiant, the biggest problems with the editor, and why it crashes, are usually memory related. It has memory issues, especially with JK2 because most of the textures are double sized over Quake 3 textures. JED would have probably had the same problem if it had used large sized images for textures. The textures you see in the editor are actually 2 times larger (unless you changed the preferences). Even though you are viewing them at 50% scale, those puppies are still massive That eats tons of your computers RAM. It's really an operating system problem. Windows says it can handle memory allocations, when really it can't. To get less crashes, upgrade your computers memory.

 

Once GTKRadiant is updated to handle JK2, you will see alot less bugs, they have a different strategy for memory management and it is better for brush rotations and curves. I use it for 90% of the map, then just do the final touches in JK2Radiant. I do my compiles using batch files.

 

I think once you JED guys get on to Radiant you will learn to like it. The power of what you can build with it is awesome. Just look at Quake 3 maps (or JK2 maps in some places...they really could have did alot more in many of the maps, but they are still impressive).

 

- Vorax

[Gesthal]

So how much memory do you need? I have 576 MB of it, which is more than enough for most things, and JK2R still crashes all the time for me...

[MilesTeg]

Since I´ve worked with pure JORadiant, I know how good Gtk was. I think it´s better than Q3Rad. I´m using version 1.2.6 with the assets0 in my quake directory and the shaders in base/scripts - that´s enough for comfortable brushediting and texture manipulation. For compiling and bots I´m still using JORadiant.

[[QGA]Vertigo]

Originally posted by [MF]PheoniX

Truespace 5 and 3dmax 4

 

HELL YEA !!

 

I've started with GTKRadiant a while ago, and simply, I don't like working with brushes... it's too restrictive IMO...

 

Could you do this with brushes ? :

 

 

And this ? :

 

 

 

(yes, I made that, for Descent 3 )

 

:D

[Wired]

I'd like to post a suggestion: UnrealEd

[Phantomas]

is that a serious vote for JK2radiant...

[Emon]

1. I was talking about the GLQuake version of Quake I that some source was taken from for Quake II.

 

2. Half-Life uses Quake II as you said, but in a way it does also use Quake I.

 

3. The textures aren't the problem... most JK2 textures are 512x512, most JK textures were 256x256 (you could go higher in software mode) and JED could handle even higher than 512x512, however like I said it gets funktified unless your running in software mode. JED just has one hell of an awesome GUI and design... it's really easy to build stuff really fast.

 

Also, I hear that UnrealED and the Serious Engine editor (using both sectors and brushes) are really awesome.

[brigand1138]

I had a dabble at UnrealED, for some reason I couldn't grasp the whole "negative space/carving rooms out of a block" system. I find JKIIRadient easier, even though I'm having a lot of trouble with it!!

 

Mal Brigand

[Vorax]

Originally posted by [QGA]Vertigo

 

HELL YEA !!

 

I've started with GTKRadiant a while ago, and simply, I don't like working with brushes... it's too restrictive IMO...

 

Could you do this with brushes ? :

 

 

And this ? :

 

 

 

(yes, I made that, for Descent 3 )

 

:D

 

Actually, you can build that very easily using Radiant, and it can be done in about 5 minutes (not kidding).

 

 

Here is something by Dubblin, one of our WLS mappers (he is awesome):

 

Another, for the up comming WLS Map Pack:

 

Here is something by Me for the WLS Map Pack (work in progress):

 

To get a better idea of what is possible, visit:

Planet Quake

 

You can make anything in Radiant once you know it.

 

- Vorax

[Darth Draugmahl]

Hey Vorax, what are the chances of me picking your brain for about a half an hour sometime? I am not a mapping n00b BUT I am new to mapping for q3. Most of this stuff is coming real easy,but I am having a problem wrapping my brain around a few things which could probably be easily resolved by someone who is clearly as well-versed in the editor as yourself.

[VEGETA2K1]

bah! unrealED is stupid! its soo confusing, i'd rather work with a box, then work with a solid then carve my way htough...

but any who, Ithink jkradiant sux, cuz it doesnt work all that great... like it crashes, doesnt compile(for me) and many more...maybe thisw ill be fixed in next version? and its true the gui for it really does stink.. maybe they should hvae it more graphical, and user friendly....

[Darth Draugmahl]

You'll only find that if someone other than the game designers make the editor. The game designers take whatever editor and slap together whatever changes they need to make to it to get it to do what they need it to do. They tweak it until it's stable enough for them to work with and then they get on with making the game. Raven is pretty good about releasing the tools they used and even trying to make them a little more stable for public consumption but the fact is still that they are in the business of making games, not editiing software.

[Jedi Howell]

ack. not working. setup a shader for it, and still pitch black except for this one area, which should black, as there are no other lights in the level.

 

i have 640mb pc133, and radiant loads in 20sec, and has never crashed once on me.

 

jh

[ArmchairAthlete]

I want WorldCraft 3.3! So powerful and user-friendly! Fast compiling! Arghh, if only it was JKII compatible somehow.

 

I could do enemies, lasers, glass, elevators, items, buttons, various doors, custom textures, breakable stuff, custom sounds, nice easy to make prefabs, teleporters... ahh so much! Can't do much of that know, or I just don't know how to easily.