Caldera Posted May 3, 2002 Share Posted May 3, 2002 Jedi monk i am just interested, what EU books are these in? Because i really wanna read these stories, they sound incredible. Sorry my bad for the incorrect info, i just vaguely remmeberd from the Jedi Academy series something about Exar Kun and his double bladed lightsabre, who was the 'creator' of the Sith. I guess i remembered wrong or sumthing, because i read the series like 4 years ago. Anyway, i am very interesting in knowing where you found that info. I wanna read that/those books!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrEEpaGe Posted May 3, 2002 Share Posted May 3, 2002 the only time that exar kun was mentioned in the books ive read was during the jedi academy series, but it could be elsewhere..i read those books long ago and probably need to read them again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi_Monk Posted May 3, 2002 Share Posted May 3, 2002 The history of Exar Kun is told in two of the Tales of the Jedi graphic novels (a comic series all collected into one volume): "Dark Lords of the Sith" and "The Sith War", writen by K.J. Anderson (who wrote the JAT) and Tom Viche (who wrote the Dark Empire comics). They take place 4000 years before ANH. The story of Naga Sadow is in Tales of the Jedi "The Sith War". The comics are great--good art, good story... they have the Star Wars feeling beyond any of the conventional books--they feel like a futuristic myth as opposed to straight sci-fi with the Force thrown in for kicks. The Sith Empire is modeled after the ancient Egyptian culture with the Sith Master as the god-like pharoah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyalGuard Posted May 4, 2002 Share Posted May 4, 2002 My theory on the prophecy, (films only) 1. The force is the product of all living things 2. All living things contribute to the force, and provide a contribution proportional to the number of midichlorians in their blood stream. 3. The force has two sides, light and dark, good people and good actions enhance the light side which is ordered, evil people and evil actions disrupt the light side and induce chaos, particulary dark actions 'stain' or taint a place. So, at any one time the force is composed of all the contributions of individuals and their actions: If the majority of people in the galaxy are good and Jedi are prevelant, the balance is skewed to the light, and excessive order and resulting stagnation set in. If the majority of the people in the galaxy are evil the balance is skewed to the dark and chaos and anarchy, resulting in destruction, set in. At the time of TPM, Qui-Gon sees a rise in violent discord (i.e. the Trade Federation blockade) and forsees strife ahead. Then he meets Anakin, who he believes is the chosen one who can bring balance to the force in a time of strife (where there will be so many evil acts the Dark side will gain the upper hand). He believes it essential to train him so that when trouble besets the New Republic, Anakin can set things right, preserving the balance of the force and bringing the right amount of order to the galaxy. The Jedi Council on the other hand, see that the Light Side has the advantage, and do not wish balance to be brought to the force as it will weaken their position. The phenomenal era of peace that they have lived in for a millenia has left them complacent and they believe that the coming trouble will be minor and easily dealt with. Neither party suspects that Anakin will balance the force by effectively reducing the Jedi and the Sith to nothing (the Jedi Purge followed by the killing of Palpatine and his subsequent death) as well as being the instrument of Palpatine's acension. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavenSword X Posted May 4, 2002 Share Posted May 4, 2002 The Star Wars movie series (the whole arch of is the story of Anakin Skywalker's life-The Chosen 1),which is the classic retelling of the HERO tale present in all human cultures,which can be taken as a metaphor for many phases of transformation we go in our development from childhood to manhood,the choices and decisions we make that shapes our identities,our lives. The Hero(in this context)is often flawed,rash,and arrogant but finds redemption- sometimes though self sacrifice.His origin is often mysterious or supernatural(Hercules' mother was visited by a Shower of Gold,the Virgin Mary-an angel bringing the word of God),Anakin by all accounts is result of an immaculate conception-the FORCE embodied(married) into human flesh.It is why he is so powerful. This is what makes him the Chosen 1,Luke literally came from him-so he isn't the 1.He brings Balance to the FORCE by living his life,making mistakes,meeting all the personages he met,by falling in love with Padme,by fathering Luke and Lea, etc. The said Imbalance is not without(not the number of Siths or Jedis)but WITHIN.Anakin's life serves as example of the many pitfalls and temptations an apprentice(anyone for that matter) must go through to become a Jedi Knight. His life demonstrates dramatically the destruction,chaos,and suffering that the dark side brings.Above all,his life shows that there is no complete turning over,there is always a glimmer light(salvation-redemption) WITHIN as much as a taint of dark. In short,in Anakin's life we see the interplay of the light and dark side of the FORCE,his changes from child,child-man,man-child, to a man(his acceptance of his role as a father to his child).Anger,rage,hate-these are all childish qualities and serve more to keep us in a childish state.Childhood is afterall a state of selfishness and self-centeredness(me,me,me-you remember). This how he brings balance to the FORCE.For all his power,we pity Vader.We wouldn't want to be him.We see in him great potential wasted. Classic story,ultimately, we all must choose between the light and the dark.Classic,just classic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToppDog Posted May 4, 2002 Share Posted May 4, 2002 Originally posted by Forceflow But why does he unbalace the Force then again? I mean it is HIM who kills the emperor, not Luke... I haven't a clue. Maybe the prophesy is only referring to this particular moment in time & is not descriptive of his complete life history. It could also be that these instances are looked opon separately because he was Anikin when he wiped out the Jedi, & then Darth Vader when he killed the Emperor. I don't think balancing the force means getting rid of all the Sith. All we've heard about in all the movies, books, comics, or whatever, is that the force has a light side & a dark side. To balance the force has to mean making the light side & dark side equal. I think the prophesy is misinterpreted by the jedi. They think of it as a prophesy of their salvation, when in actuality it is a warning of impending doom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted May 4, 2002 Share Posted May 4, 2002 The Jedi have many jobs. One of their jobs is to keep BALANCE in the Force... No Dark Side Users=Balance Dark Side Users=Imbalance Allow me to elaborate... In existence there is life and death, light type things like birth, and dark type things like death. These things are supposed to remain in balance, that is the natural way of things. The Jedi act to preserve that by stopping evil acts to tip the scales towards Dark type things. When a Sith comes along everything tilts towards the Dark Side, and the Jedi have to stop that. Thus, to bring Balance to the Force there must be no Sith. No matter HOW you look at it, this is how it works. In the end Vader exterminates the Sith, and a good chosen one does not bring Balance to the Force, and then promptly imbalance it again. This would make no sense... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broode Posted May 4, 2002 Share Posted May 4, 2002 Thats a good theory Vestril, but if no dark side = balence, why did he join the dark side and kill all the jedi? Couldnt he have just killed palpy way back before he fell? It seems to me balance has something to do with the jedi purge, but the whole "equal amounts of jedi and sith" doesn't work because he doesnt kill luke or survive himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted May 4, 2002 Share Posted May 4, 2002 Because he's a tragic hero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIO Posted May 4, 2002 Share Posted May 4, 2002 its so simple luke sucks he just breeds dark jedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clem Posted May 5, 2002 Share Posted May 5, 2002 ok u lot think too much.... now my turn ... isnt luke supposed to be more powerful than vader (im sure i heard that said sumwhere) new theory: all things create the force yes? so lets assume the force is a big flat plain ... all things add to it all things use it to live ... this is balance jedi sith and all other force cultures make spikes in this plain as they drag the force toward them (be them up or down) this is unbalanced ... so maybe anakins job was to remove all force users and he just simply ... failed "always in motion is the future" - Yoda (prolly said differently) so a prophecy may not be correct also (and finally) u all assume anakin knew what his job was ... maybe he doesnt have the intention of balancing he just does it by accident ... (or not as my theory states) theres no reason hed know he has to bring balance to the force well thats my bit done! i hope it makes sense think einsteins theory of the galaxy and gravity ....or that simpsons episode with the hole behind the bookshelf Hey You THERE !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted May 5, 2002 Share Posted May 5, 2002 also (and finally) u all assume anakin knew what his job was ... maybe he doesnt have the intention of balancing he just does it by accident ... (or not as my theory states) theres no reason hed know he has to bring balance to the force I'm not entirely sure that any theory put forth is dependant on Anakin knowing that he is the chosen one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clem Posted May 5, 2002 Share Posted May 5, 2002 not so much dependant but comments like "y would he goto dark side if hes to balance it y not kill palpy straight off" (not direct quote but close enuff) assume he knows hes to balance the force and is going out to do it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted May 5, 2002 Share Posted May 5, 2002 but comments like "y would he goto dark side if hes to balance it y not kill palpy straight off" (not direct quote but close enuff) assume he knows hes to balance the force and is going out to do it People weren't saying that that was what he had in mind, they were saying that it would make no sense for the chosen one to do this and still be the chosen one, although the example you gave makes no real sense--it's a good thing he went to the Dark Side because if he hadn't Palpatine would have killed him straight off...sheesh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clem Posted May 5, 2002 Share Posted May 5, 2002 ok ok .... point retracted .... my theory still stands as a theory tho id rather sum1 picked holes in that please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted May 5, 2002 Share Posted May 5, 2002 Eh...look around--I'm sure there are responses somewhere, I got tired of poking holes in that theory... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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