allan14 Posted May 15, 2002 Share Posted May 15, 2002 Remember Vader's conversation with Luke on the Endor moon. "You don't know the power of the Dark Side. I MUST obey my Master." Perhaps a Sith is bound to his master and betraying him means death to himself. This would be easier for me to swallow than Anakin dying to the Emperor's energy bolts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shidobu Posted May 15, 2002 Share Posted May 15, 2002 Why? It would seem to me that death by electrocution is much more plausible than a sith master-apprentice connection. Then again, you could be right too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prowl lightstar Posted May 15, 2002 Share Posted May 15, 2002 Yeah i never understood why luke took an absolute pounding (unless he was using the force to protect him to some extent) and Vader died after a pissy little blast. Also, why o why didn't Obi 1 or Yoda warn luke about force lightning and tell him how to counter it. "Anything that is force created can be force repelled." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeFrio Posted May 15, 2002 Share Posted May 15, 2002 I think the emperors lightning screwed up vaders breathing mechanism. Thats probably why he died Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice (Sic)kle Posted May 15, 2002 Share Posted May 15, 2002 I agree with Defrio about anakin's death and probably why yoda and obi wan didn't warn luke was because the lightning the emperor used was so powerful there wasn't a way to counter it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gar'bu Liben Posted May 15, 2002 Share Posted May 15, 2002 I always thought the emperor was just toying with Luke....making him suffer. Then when he was electrocuting Vader he was trying to save his own life so he put more...uh...guess best word for it would be potency into his volts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris kenobi Posted May 15, 2002 Share Posted May 15, 2002 Hello, just wanted to add to defrio's comment - Darth Vader is pretty much half machine and must have a lot of metal and circuitry inside him so the electricity dosage would screw him big time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jun Posted May 15, 2002 Share Posted May 15, 2002 Originally posted by Ice (Sic)kle I agree with Defrio about anakin's death and probably why yoda and obi wan didn't warn luke was because the lightning the emperor used was so powerful there wasn't a way to counter it. everything created by the force can be countered by the force. im sure luke just knew how to protect himself somehow...or it just didn't affect him as much as it did vader because it screwed up his breathing mechanism.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabbas WhOr3 Posted May 15, 2002 Share Posted May 15, 2002 Yes Darth is Most machine but look: Please put the movie in and watch the lightnin scene in slow motion.....you can see his skeleton being lit up! Maybe it was a metal skeleton but still! it looked mostly human with no little oil pumps and air filters! WEIRD!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaotic~Angel Posted May 15, 2002 Share Posted May 15, 2002 I guess vaders strenght was fleeting after his battle against luke and his personal conflict about seeing how much resistance is in his son. So Vader flips, plays B-ball with the emp and gets a heavy dosage in his body. Luke is still young and strong with the light to guide him. Vader is old in a giant respirator, maybe the machine failed but going to Jabbas comment maybe the machine didnt kill him. Maybe it went straight through into his frail body that was living off of his hatred. When he cast Empy into the hole of death he showed his defiance to the dark and went as far as he could into the light. Without the Dark as a crutch to him and his already scortched body lighted up he knew he was going to die eventually so he removes his helmet and gets a look at his son without the mask. Without his mask his body already gasping for air falters on him and he doesnt get the chance to recover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hikeeba Posted May 15, 2002 Share Posted May 15, 2002 I'll go with fried circuits as well. It's nicer than jumping on Lucas for a contrived ending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzzA Posted May 15, 2002 Share Posted May 15, 2002 I once heard something about a huge explosion of Dark force energy when the Emporer died, and that huge explosion is what endeed up killing Vader. He was alredy damaged from his fight with Luke and the lightnig of the Emporer, and the Dark Force explosion overwhelmed him and fatally wounded him. The Dark Force explosion is also the explanation I've heard as to why Luke's journey to the Dark Side would be complete after Killing the Emporer. The explosion would've overwhelmed young Skywalker and in essence forced him over. Mabey that's why Vader saved the Emporer. Luke could sense the conflict in Vader, and mabey because of that conflict Anakin (not Vader) realized he didn't want Luke to follow in his own footsteps, and becoming in essence a slave to the Dark Side. I dunno, I'm just rambling right now, so I'm just gonna shut up now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jun Posted May 15, 2002 Share Posted May 15, 2002 i really have no idea what you just said right there lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabbas WhOr3 Posted May 15, 2002 Share Posted May 15, 2002 Originally posted by jun i really have no idea what you just said right there lol LOL just break it up into small bits and digest them slowly....pretend...just...pretend he used paragraphs and sentences and it will all become clear....hard to se the dark side is.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homosexual Ewok Posted May 15, 2002 Share Posted May 15, 2002 You should read (it's this one if I remember right) the Shadows of The Empire novel. There is a part where Vader is in his little dome-chamber thing (the thing he was sitting inside of in The Empire Strikes Back) and he takes off his armor and tries to breathe the air on his own. If I remember right he could only do it for about 2 seconds before his lungs crapped out. Lightning would screw w/ his breathing gear, look at all the times the droids got blasted and fried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzzA Posted May 15, 2002 Share Posted May 15, 2002 Sorry about being confusing. I'm not the worlds best writer and I'm not too proficient in correcting grammatical errors. I guess the next time I have a lot of information, I'll either spend 15 minutes posting it so I can make it understandable for all, or I'll just keep my confusing information to myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prowl lightstar Posted May 15, 2002 Share Posted May 15, 2002 The emperor didn't want luke to kill him, he wanted luke to kill vader "and take your fathers place by my side." It doesn't matter that the force explosion my have turned Luke to the Dark side, as the Emperor would be destroyed. The emperor would have lost. And Vader + Luke would rule the Galaxy as father and son etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star ReaVeR Posted May 15, 2002 Share Posted May 15, 2002 maybe the skeleton was some symbol ya know. that Anakin still had a human side in him, that he was the one that would bring balance in the force after all.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrEEpaGe Posted May 15, 2002 Share Posted May 15, 2002 vader died because 1) he's more man than machine, now (ur an idiot if you dont know that) 2) machinery and particularly electronics dont like surges of electricity 3) from what it looked like in the film, the emperor was basically unleashing all of his force power as he was picked up and thrown. he couldnt have controlled that if he wanted, and vader beared the brunt of that uncontrolled energy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_FinnSon Posted May 15, 2002 Share Posted May 15, 2002 I bet losing a hand(even though it was mechanical) might have painful effect, not to mention lightning that goes straight through your body; Emperor even said to Luke "now you are gonna die" and probably meant that next he's gonna strike with all of his power(just like thrEEpaGe pointed out). I don't believe that Force explosion had any part in killing Vader though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striderx2048 Posted May 15, 2002 Share Posted May 15, 2002 The End Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murdoch Posted May 15, 2002 Share Posted May 15, 2002 So it's about settled then. Lightning screwed Vaders respirator. What is more curious to me is wy he has a head with the size and shape of a watermelon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Ninja Posted May 15, 2002 Share Posted May 15, 2002 just to back up everything about the lightening killing Vader: 'Vader's mortal injury was inflicted by the Emperor's lightning. The lightning which lashed Vader was of a lethal intensity. The energies which Palpatine had previously used to strike Luke were less powerful, intended merely to cause agony and torment. When Vader seized him, the Emperor was increasing his power output by a dramatic degree. These discharges were taken by Vader rather than his son. That these shocks were much stronger than those Luke experienced is evident in the fact the Vader's bones became sufficiently hot to be seen glowing through his flesh and clothing. The outbursts were brief enough not to roast him totally, but a remarkable instantaneous intensity of energy was required for the bones to be seen through flesh and clothing. Luke's skeleton never reached this incandescence, even for an instant. ' taken from a good (if somewhat sad and strange) account of vader's injuries at http://www.theforce.net/swtc/injuries.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divine Spirit Posted May 15, 2002 Share Posted May 15, 2002 Originally posted by allan14 Remember Vader's conversation with Luke on the Endor moon. "You don't know the power of the Dark Side. I MUST obey my Master." Perhaps a Sith is bound to his master and betraying him means death to himself. This would be easier for me to swallow than Anakin dying to the Emperor's energy bolts. i dont think that vader had an attachment to the emporer when he killed the emporer. i always understood that vader had fully turned back to the light side by the time he had picked the emporer up? or do u think the turning process wasnt instant and that it went on from when he got up to pick the emporer up to when he died? Divine Spirit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PETEYKing Posted May 16, 2002 Share Posted May 16, 2002 Ok here it is... WHAT IS MORE REAL! Darth got misfigured (For Some reason) And had to wear that suit to breathe, move, ect. After being hit by the lightning he is injured badly and it is harder for him to breathe. Therefore after finding his heart inside of his body to save Luke. (LOVE) He knew that he was going to die anyway. And that he has been bad all that time. He took of his helmet (which helped him breathe). And died in Lukes Arms... Hey Destroyed the helmet that keeped his saddness and anger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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