Who would win? Qui-Gon or Vadar?

[Pedro The Hutt]

Actually, Qui-Gon did have saber fighting experience against another opponent with a lightsaber ^_^" namely his second apprentice.(yes his second, he had two apprentices before he took Obi-Wan, one of which became a Jedi Knight), and the other one, well thanks to the apprentice being persuaded to join his father's side in a civil war he ended up fighting (enraged) against his own master. And well Qui-Gon did manage to beat him, but didn't kill him. So hey, he's good with a saber, and as someone mentioned before. He only lost to Maul thanks to the fact he slammed his hilt into Qui-Gon's face to stun him.(which I concider a dirty trick) If Maul didn't do that the battle would probably have losted long enough for the fences to open again so Obi-Wan could join his master again and together they would have beaten him. But ah well, Lucas just had to have something dramatic happen in Epi. I. ^.^ (altough for all the Maul fans out there, seeing the tattooed one fall in two peices is much more traumatising ^_~)

[Darth Facism]

Well, as far as Maul using the hilt to stun Qui Gon is fair in my book. It's a duel to the death, and Maul is a Sith Lord he doesn't play fair lol!

[SharaFett]

ok first off, fallacy you're an idiot.

 

secondly, you guys need to read more eu. Quigon in his PRIME was the best with the saber- even better than yoda and windu. you have to consider quigon was in his late 50s when fighting windu...So dont be quick to say vader will whoop qui-gon. vader in his prime (whenever that is) is very likely to lose to quigon. personally, i think quigon in his youth could own anyone's arse.

[Jedi-Ghendu]

i was sad to see qui-gonn die due to the fact he was pretty much the main character! but o well, he is know one with the force and probably off somewhere hitting on a Twi'lek

[Obi-Doo]

I'm not a Vader fanatic by a long shot, but i think we have to remember what Anakin SKywalker said in EP 2,... how he said :I will be become the most powerful jedi ever"

 

Hmmm wasn't that the same episode where Anakin got sliced, diced and fried by a 80 year old sith apprentice?

 

How he said it? I think he said it crying, blaming Obi-wan for not being strong enough, when he was crying bcuz of his dead mother.

[XxWinnaRxX]

I don't mean to offend any of you Luke fans out there, but... Luke sucks, at least as a swordsman.

 

He also employs a random bludgeoning style that would work perfectly with a weapon such as a club or baseball bat, but isn't quite so effective with a light saber. The fact is, a lightsaber has exactly ZERO weight, and any attempts at a bludgeon would just be knocked aside.

 

Besides, why waste the energy in a wide open flail? A saber cuts just the same no matter HOW hard you swing it.

His technique is horrible, and he will never compare to a Jedi like Qui-Gon Jinn.

 

Come on, for starters, he's talking to Vader the whole time throughout the fight. Nice focus there, buddy-boy.

If he was attacking for half the time he was talking, he might have won a lot quicker.

 

Also, you'll notice that just before he wins, Vader's saber-arm is layed over the hand rail, and it's obviously not going anywhere.

Luke could easily and quickly hack off any part of his body that he so desired, he could have beheaded him, cut him in half, dismembered him, or any number of things.

But NO, not only does he not take advantage of the situation, he keeps flailing away at Vader's saber, even though it's a good two feet from his body.

 

This is comparable to dueling with a little kid - if you hold the sword over his head, he'll jump to hit the sword, even though your body is wide open.

 

He finally hits his wrist, obviously for no other reason than "he has crappy aim and hit his wrist by accident." Then he's all proud like he did it on purpose.

 

I admit Palpatine's lightning would be a bit hard to go against...

 

Hell, if Qui-Gon was there, he'd more than likely say "What the Hell is this crap?" and stomp vader good. I swear, Vader would probably attack Qui-Gon once, and then qui gon would use his saber to redirect the strike over his head and then he'd cut him in half from the side.

 

Then luke would get really pissed because Qui-Gon killed his father, and by the time Luke was within five feet of him, Qui-Gon would put his saber away and force-push Luke down that big pit.

 

Then... against Emporer Palpatine...

Well, Obi-Wan blocked Dooku's lightning with his saber, and he was Qui-Gon's apprentice, so he more than likely learned it from him.

 

Qui-Gon would block his lightning untill Palpatine was tired, and then carve him up. If palpatine didn't get tired, he could just walk towards him while blocking his lightning, and when he got close enough, he could sidestep and strike.

 

The fact of the matter is, Vader's got a mobility handicap, so no threat there, and Luke... Luke has ZERO ability. Why he won, I'll never know.

 

The sad thought is Maul in the same scenario... poor Vader, Luke, and Palpatine. Wait, Palpatine would probably train him and make him powerful, in addition to his skill.

[Darth Knight]

jin would win because he is awsome

[Darth Knight]

XxWinnaRxX you don't know what you are talking about when you say luke has 0 talent

[Yoda_623]

Hmmm.....I'm gonna say that Vader was better than Maul. So Vader could beat Maul. But, Maul beat Qui-Gon. So if Vader beats Maul,and Maul beat Qui-Gon. Then Vader would beat Qui-Gon.

[Throno-Denkai]

Originally posted by Solo Act

I personally think vadar would win. He is considered one of the most powerful jedi ever. Qui-Gon isn't. What do yall think?

 

I think you hit your head to a rock because Vader doesnt makes sense. He lost to a weekest jedi which is luke skywalker, if he looses to luke, how does he gonna beat Qui-gon. Not to mention Obi-wan was the one who sliced him, and he was Qui-gons padawn!!!

[Master Hamlet]

i'd say qui-gon, although im biased, as he is my favorite (human) jedi. he was the MASTER of obi-wan, and if you think about it, probably the most important character in the SW universe. if qui gon never risked his life to get anakin to coruscant, and DEMAND that anakin be trained as a jedi, then there never would have been a vader. but to answer the question, qui-gon would win, because old school always wins over new school.

[Obi-Doo]

Qui-Gon Jinn is one of the strongest jedi in the whole star wars universe. He would have easily gotten into the jedi council had he not used the living force. The jedi council was only for the strongest and wisest jedi in the galaxy, and i doubt not that he was even stronger than Mace Windu, wich we all know, was very strong, nearly as strong as Yoda.

 

His death was tragic for the whole order of jedi, even for the republic.

[Throno-Denkai]

Yup, exactly. Also why do you think Maul hited to his head with the handle than killed him? Because he knew Qui-gon was much stronger and he wasnt able to gonna beat him without cheating. Also if Maul didnt hit to his head, he was gonna die from that attack of Qui-gon!(Qui-gon was probably gonna chop mauls saber from the middle)

[Obi-Doo]

The fact of the matter is, Vader's got a mobility handicap, so no threat there, and Luke... Luke has ZERO ability. Why he won, I'll never know.

 

I know, I know!

 

Vader was supposed to get luke over to the dark side, he was never meant to kill luke. He was not allowed to kill luke so he didnt, bcuz luke should be a strong darksider.

 

If vader was supposed to kill luke, then he would have done it quikly.

[defalc]

Lets see now:

 

JEDI RANKING

Vader - Never graduated as a Jedi as far as we know, and was defeated at the hands of Obi Wan Kenobi.

Qui Gon Jinn - If it weren't for his radical ideas and conflicts with the council, he'd be on the council. He's also the master of Obi Wan, who happened to slice Anakin up good and proper.

Score: 1 point for Qui Gon, Vader never became a full-fledged Jedi.

 

WAS DEFEATED BY?

Vader - Was defeated by his son Luke, a poorly trained Jedi (with only a few lessons on how to block blaster bolts from Obi and a few days worth of lessons from Yoda). Even despite the fact that Luke uses his sabre as a light bludgeon more than a light sabre.

Qui Gon Jinn - Was defeated by Darth Maul, a lord of the sith trained by Palpatine, drilled in lightsabre combat extensively. Only lost due to a cheap trick on Maul's part.

Score: 1 point for Qui Gon, he died at the hands of a skilled adversary.

 

MASTERS

Vader - Was trained by Obi Wan Kenobi, then, as far as we know, a bit by Palpatine.

Qui Gonn - Was trained by Dooku, who went toe to toe with Yoda and lived. Trained Obi Wan, Vader's former master.

Score: 1 point for Qui Gon, I mean, he was trained by MASTERS!

 

FORCE USE

Vader - Utilises push+pulling+moving of objects and mind tricks, along with grip and to an extent, absorbtion of energy (blaster bolt in ESB).

Qui Gon Jinn - Uses push+pull+moving of objects, along with mind tricks.

Score: 1 point for Vader, uses alot more force than we see Qui Gon using (gotta love grip )

 

SABRE SKILLS

Vader - Seen throwing his sabre once, uses crude strength to hack at opponent. When younger (pre-black suit of doooooom!), is extremely acrobatic and skilled with a sabre, even able to wield two with great skill. Even hinted to be, although not at the level of Yoda, very VERY good.

Qui Gon Jinn - Seen wielding a single sabre with conservative movements when possible (he doesn't seem to move when not necessary, notice his slower style). However, his master was Dooku, the unofficial sabre-master of the Jedi, but this does not seem to show much.

Score: 1 point to Vader, when he was young, w00! When older he's a bit washed up but hey...

 

I think Qui Gon would win, and I'm not being biased.

[Obi-Doo]

Well, good post, but some things wich are not complitely rigth.

 

First the thing about force use. Use of the force are not the same in JKII as it is in the movies. To be a good saberist at all, you use a lot of force sabering and all. Also, Qui-Gon also uses speed.

 

And then, the saber skills. Anakin, or young vader, loses his saber far to often to be a good saberist.

 

But dont take me wrong, its a good post

[Obi-Doo]

Some of you unwise out there migth think that Vader would have won bcuz of his high amount of midichlorians. But Qui-Gons second padawan, Xanatos, had also a very high rate of midichlorians. And at the end, Qui-Gon had to figth Xanatos.

Of course Qui-Gon won. So why should Jinn have any more problems with beating cripple vader?

 

I would go as far as to say that Jinn is on of the 5 strongest jedi in the whole Star Wars universe (stronger than windu)! Of course, we all know that Vader would be between place 10 or 15.