Lord_PhilMil Posted June 17, 2002 Share Posted June 17, 2002 Hey guys, Well, I'm going back and rereading some of the Star Wars Expanded Universe novels. I'm going through the trilogy with Dark Apprentice, Jedi Search, etc. and noticed something........in these books, the rebel alliance locates and destroys the Maw Installation. They say in the book, this is where the Death Star was invented by Qwi Xux and someone else (don't remember name), and they even have a death star prototype that they fly around and whip ass with. HOWEVER In Episode II, that butt-loving rock guy whose language sounds like clicking, talks about how they have to hide the plans for "the ultimate weapon" which just happens to be the deathstar! Count Dooku takes the plans for the Death Star and gives them to sidious (emperor palpatine) So, how is big Mr. Lucas gonna explain that one? (I'm hoping he'll just give me a few mil to shut up about it.......lord knows he can afford it!) Now, I know some will say that the expanded universe books aren't official, blablabla But they ARE. Each one is screened by the big man himself and is approved. If you don't believe it, go to the official star wars website (http://www.starwars.com) and look under expanded universe! So, what are your guys' opinions on how Lucas is going to explain this obvious gap? I've got some story ideas, but I want to see what you all can come up with!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kensai Posted June 17, 2002 Share Posted June 17, 2002 It seems Lucas' obsession with making every little thing in eposides 123 link back to episodes 456 is creating some problems. Doing that kinda thing cheapens the stories to Episodes 123 anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted June 17, 2002 Share Posted June 17, 2002 There's a difference between OFFICIAL and CANON. Not just anybody can slap the "Star Wars" logo on their product (without risking the wrath of Lucas's team of elite lawyers) and yes, there is a "screening" process. However, you'd be kidding yourself if you thought the screening process had anything going on more than an estimation of potential profit from the material. After all, Kevin J. Anderson and Timothy Zahn's, etc. books give Lucas royalties when they use his characters. "Canon" are the series of stories that represent George's original "vision" for Star Wars and the only ones that have to be consistent. The two official film trilogies, the official novelisations of those films, the official screenplays, and the official radio dramas are deemed "canon" in the Star Wars official continuity, in that order (ie: events in each latter mentioned source are "true" only where they don't contradict the canon films). Granted it's all fiction, but George makes the rules. He doesn't have to listen to what any EU author says when it comes to the stuff he himself created and owns the copyrights on. The rest of Star Wars constitutes the "expanded universe" and is there soley to make money off of the SW name, from which Lucasfilm gets a big cut. So if Episode 2 contradicts the Jedi Academy Trilogy, then Episode 2 wins, according to George's own policy. In the end the canon films are the bottom line, above all other SW sources, including Starwars.com, end of story! Lucas has said on numerous occasions that he'll run roughshod all over the EU if he wants to when the prequels get made, and so far he's done just that. There isn't really anything significant anybody can do about it since it's his Intellectual Property. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted June 17, 2002 Share Posted June 17, 2002 I doubt Lucas reads all of the books, there are a team of editors who keep things regulated, and I'm guessing that if anyone wants to do anything radical and really interesting they have to float their idea by him, but it seems really improbable to me that he reads all of that... Anyway, Kurgan explained the important stuff, and rather well, as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben_Walker Posted June 17, 2002 Share Posted June 17, 2002 Heres what I think could happen. It could have been designed on Geonsous, but was really built in the Maw Installation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted June 17, 2002 Share Posted June 17, 2002 Originally posted by Lord_PhilMil Hey guys, Well, I'm going back and rereading some of the Star Wars Expanded Universe novels. I'm going through the trilogy with Dark Apprentice, Jedi Search, etc. and noticed something........in these books, the rebel alliance locates and destroys the Maw Installation. They say in the book, this is where the Death Star was invented by Qwi Xux and someone else (don't remember name), and they even have a death star prototype that they fly around and whip ass with. HOWEVER In Episode II, that butt-loving rock guy whose language sounds like clicking, talks about how they have to hide the plans for "the ultimate weapon" which just happens to be the deathstar! Count Dooku takes the plans for the Death Star and gives them to sidious (emperor palpatine) So, how is big Mr. Lucas gonna explain that one? (I'm hoping he'll just give me a few mil to shut up about it.......lord knows he can afford it!) Now, I know some will say that the expanded universe books aren't official, blablabla But they ARE. Each one is screened by the big man himself and is approved. If you don't believe it, go to the official star wars website (http://www.starwars.com) and look under expanded universe! So, what are your guys' opinions on how Lucas is going to explain this obvious gap? I've got some story ideas, but I want to see what you all can come up with!!!!! He doesn't have to. Go read the boards at http://www.theforce.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossil25 Posted June 17, 2002 Share Posted June 17, 2002 maybe he's introducing parallel universes... but since the 'universe' refers to 'all that can be contained', then there is no actual thing as a parallel universe...a parallel universe would in actual fact have to be in the same universe can the one we consider original. therefore, this 'parallel universe', being part of the one and only theorectical universe, is simply an expansion of the universe we know...hence 'expanded universe' whatever... maybe one day you'll get these parallel worlds meeting colliding and you get a new trilogy on the complex world created. And then sometimes happens to cancel both sides out which eventually leads to star wars not actually happening in our real life past (unlike what is said when they go "a long time ago in a distance galaxy"). Damn Einstein had to die early... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyalGuard Posted June 17, 2002 Share Posted June 17, 2002 Well, there are two possibilities... 1.) Lucas dislikes K.J. Anderson's idea and has decided to replace it with his own to make the prequels fit the OT better, reasoning that as it's his universe, he can do what he wants to it. 2.) The plans held by Sidious will be lost/damaged and Sidious/Palpatine will ask Tarkin to take care of it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_FinnSon Posted June 18, 2002 Share Posted June 18, 2002 Here's the most recent explanation from Cinescape given by Lucas himself, even though Kurgan basically said all that more extensively: “There are two worlds here,” explained Lucas. “There’s my world, which is the movies, and there’s this other world that has been created, which I say is the parallel universe – the licensing world of the books, games and comic books. They don’t intrude on my world, which is a select period of time, [but] they do intrude in between the movies. I don’t get too involved in the parallel universe.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunClown Posted June 18, 2002 Share Posted June 18, 2002 Remember, that first and foremost this is lucas's universe. Actually, you might say its a long time ago in a galaxy far far away. Basically, what the deal is that Lucas doesn't write the films to fit in to the books. Its the books job to fit into the films. Lucas owns this stuff and he doesn't really care about the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atinymonkey Posted June 19, 2002 Share Posted June 19, 2002 There are many possible reasons for this. Qwi Xux made the plans for the Death Star before the Maw Installation was destroyed. Qwi Xux made the plans for the Death Star after the Maw Installation was destroyed, and rebuilt. The Rebels were mislead and the Death Star was not planned at the Maw Installation. Interestingly Qwi Xux is kept alive by the emporor using cloning, so he can kill him over and over again, perhaps this is also because he retains his knowlage and so can pass on the plans to the empire. Or perhaps the Plans Count Dooku has are not for a Death Star at all, but some form of it (for instance the small version encountered at Maw Installation). A form of Death Basketball, if you like. The Death Star came later. Maybe they are simply saying that the plans had been around since Episode 1, Count Dooku simply had a copy of them. After all the Maw Installation should still be around for a good 30 years from episode 2, so it could have been there for 30 before as well. Or have I got the timeline wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_PhilMil Posted June 19, 2002 Author Share Posted June 19, 2002 These are all really good ideas. I think the one with the plans being made at maw installation and then count dooku having a copy is the one I would most likely go with. Although I don't remember exactly, I don't think that Tol Sivron (guy in charge of maw installation) ever said that he was the FIRST director of the maw installation, so it's quite possible that it existed before then. It always just says that the maw installation was Grand Moff Tarkin's baby, but never said when it was started, and seeing as how palpatine had an army on order for 10 years and no one knew it, who's to say he didn't have the maw installation and death star before he becomes emperor, too? Good ideas, yes I realize that Lucas can do whatever he wants, and it's because he has the big bucks and he's god's gift to sci-fi and whatever else you want to refer to him as. ;-) By the way, what specifically am I looking for on the boards on theforce.net? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi_Monk Posted June 19, 2002 Share Posted June 19, 2002 Maw Instalation makes no sense, KJ Anderson is a hack and if Lucas gives any weight to anything he did in the movies... THEN, I'll be mad. As long as Lucas is contradicting the EU, I'm a happy camper edit: Actually, I like some of the things KJA has had his hand in, such as the Tales of the Jedi. So let me refine my above statement: anything KJA has done without Tom Veitch should be contradicted with the full weight of Lucas' mighty, Star Wars-creating brain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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