mez1109 Posted June 18, 2002 Share Posted June 18, 2002 Death Star or Crap Star? The ultimate of all questions. Now the death star is the size of a moon, so if it crashed into a planet, bye, bye planet. It uses up alot of power, has several thousands of people man power, needs ages to shoot a Gigantic Laser Beam, destroys planets. Why not use a 10 Megaton AtomBomb, or 4 of them, Russians say they have a 20 Megaton, that will do the job. They are compact, can fit into any Millenium Falcon size Star Wars Space Ship, they are a technolgically sephisticated race in the universe, theymigh even have a 10000 Megaton Atom Bomb, and obviously they have high tech engines, unlike the crapy engines used to get an atom bomb where it is supposed to go nowdays. But NOOOOO, they have to stick alot of metal together in space, have a WEAK point built in standared, so that Luke can take a X-Wing and make it go BOOM, all the planes down the drain. The cost in materials and man power, and one X-Wing makes it go all bye bye. Probably because a DEATHSTAR sounds more fancy. Maybe their sooooo advance in technology they fergot about atom bombs, or only earthlings are crazy and dumb enough to create them. The rest is you opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osama Posted June 18, 2002 Share Posted June 18, 2002 bombs couldnt make the planet SHATTER like the death star did plus you wouldnt have 50 billion thousand hunred (ok you get the point ) things of radiation flying about the universe and a death star is a LOT of intimidating than a couple of weenie bombs plus the death star can be used for MANY other things, like docking bay, training facility etc it would have made sense for the imperial engineers to put a retractable cover over the entrance so if maintenance needs to be done they open the hatch instead of letting a bunch of stupid rebel ships fly into it at least for the 2nd one the first one, with the weak spot out in the open, outside ??? wtf?? an asteroid coulda crashed into it and crippled it ! that was probably just because lucas didnt have the technology or the budget to be able to show the ships flying inside ... oh well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lime-Light Posted June 18, 2002 Share Posted June 18, 2002 Ya.....but how cool would it be if Luke went and chased after a little bomb in space for 15 minutes? Not very. I think a giant moon-sized sphere that fires a planet shattereing laser is a little more impressive, if not practical, but hey, the emporer has more ego than Burt Renalds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mez1109 Posted June 18, 2002 Author Share Posted June 18, 2002 I think that Austin Powers' DR. EVIL has proven that evil think alike, both are total ideots, while Nr. 1 does all the work. So who is the Nr. 1 of Star Wars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osama Posted June 18, 2002 Share Posted June 18, 2002 uh.... number two??? and that would be any of his accomplices..... darth maul, lord tyrannus, darth vader.... they all carried out his missions, and were all successful at them all as far as i know EXCEPT for vaders screwup at the end when he betrayed the emperor and killed him THAT was a screwup in writing cause it would have been much cooler if the emperor would have killed luke and then killed the traitor vader and then crushed the insignificant rebellion and lived forever sorry i just like the emperor a lot which just made me think of something.... i read somewhere that the emperor fell down a bottomless shaft??? is that true? i think they were wrong because, if a bottomless shaft in the death star has no bottom, would it just go out in space? i guess lucas just likes making people fall down really big holes a la emperor, darth maul, luke, a whole bunch of weird aliens on jabbas sail barge... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mez1109 Posted June 18, 2002 Author Share Posted June 18, 2002 The Emperor be back Osama, you don't worry. George needed us to think that he may be still alive, that old f*rt emperor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionen Posted June 18, 2002 Share Posted June 18, 2002 I dont think there is any bottomless pits. That hole Sidious is thrown down into, must lead out to space or something, but the problem with that, is that in that case, all the air in the deatstar would be sucked out into space... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted June 18, 2002 Share Posted June 18, 2002 Why would we even think the emperor is still alive? Okay, he fell down the pit, and we know he died then, because we see the explosion of the darkside energies......but lets say he didn't die there, the death star exploded, it's all gone, he was incinerated no more, dead...... And as to the purpose of this thread.........The Death Star is a LOT harder to destroy than a little ship witha big ol bomb on it......i mean, you couldn't take an actual fleet of capital ships against it, with all those turbolasers they would've gotten smoked! And it had to be a proton torpedo because it had to explode in the core. As we saw, not just anyone could have made that shot, because red leader missed, and Han Solo comments that lukes shot was "one in a million" It went in because it was guided by the force. and if the Emperor had not allowed the rebels to learn of the second death star, they never would have destroyed it, because they fixed the vent problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norin Radd Posted June 18, 2002 Share Posted June 18, 2002 Originally posted by mez1109 Death Star or Crap Star? The ultimate of all questions. Now the death star is the size of a moon, so if it crashed into a planet, bye, bye planet. It uses up alot of power, has several thousands of people man power, needs ages to shoot a Gigantic Laser Beam, destroys planets. Why not use a 10 Megaton AtomBomb, or 4 of them, Russians say they have a 20 Megaton, that will do the job. They are compact, can fit into any Millenium Falcon size Star Wars Space Ship, they are a technolgically sephisticated race in the universe, theymigh even have a 10000 Megaton Atom Bomb, and obviously they have high tech engines, unlike the crapy engines used to get an atom bomb where it is supposed to go nowdays. But NOOOOO, they have to stick alot of metal together in space, have a WEAK point built in standared, so that Luke can take a X-Wing and make it go BOOM, all the planes down the drain. The cost in materials and man power, and one X-Wing makes it go all bye bye. Probably because a DEATHSTAR sounds more fancy. Maybe their sooooo advance in technology they fergot about atom bombs, or only earthlings are crazy and dumb enough to create them. The rest is you opinion. Well, I think it just came down to Imperial arrogance. Remember near the beginning of Episode IV when Tarkin and his officers are in conference. This one General boasts how the Death Star is invincible and calls it the "ultimate power in the universe". The Death Star commanders did not see small fighters as a threat. Also remember, that the port Luke shot the torpedoes in was an exhaust port, so it probably could not be covered. I mean, would you cover the exhaust pipe on your vehicle? You said it took ages to fire it's "planet smasher" ray. I don't know if it had the capabilities of it's successor to fire repeatedly, but, I mean you are calling forth enough energy to destroy an entire world, literally obliterate it. So. . .if it takes awhile to muster enough power. . .so be it. The breach in the second Death Star can be explained, because it was under construction. The Empire knew the station was vulnerable because they had an inpenetrable shield protecting the superstructure. I have no doubt that the Imperials would not have left the station so vulnerable if it had become completed. Vader and the emperor would have seen to that. Just my $0.02:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice_ohmss Posted June 18, 2002 Share Posted June 18, 2002 About the Death Star: It was created to be a space station, a battlestation and the most incredible one ever. The size is not only sensible but intimidating. It is a space station, so not only can it fire giant lazers capable of destroying an entire planet in a matter of seconds, but it can deploy ships and fight a "naval" battle in space. With turrets and armor plating it is indestructable and can go from system to system destroying hostile planets and keeping the galaxy under the control of the Empire. Thus much more effective than the suggested suped-up merchant vessel with atomic bombs. The only reason it was destroyed is because they found its one weakness and they had the force on their side. That is what makes Luke a hero and what makes Starwars great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osama Posted June 18, 2002 Share Posted June 18, 2002 norin radd, good point, i forgot it was an exhaust pipe lol thats all the rebellion needed to do , was put a bunch of really big potatoes in there, that coulda saved alderaan off topic but in regards to the shield on the moon, how did the ewoks kill the storm troopers ?? not sure if this has been asked b4 here but i doubt the ewoks have the physique required to puncture the blastech armor with spears or slings or pick up rocks large enough to smash the troopers smashing the atst's would be possible with the logs, but i dont see how they could take out any of the infantry... it also didnt seem like the emperor had an 'entire legion of his best troops' there oh well the rebels had to win cause the good guys ALWAYS win, the greedy bastards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotionMan Posted June 18, 2002 Share Posted June 18, 2002 Well I agree with what most of you have said about the deathstar(except for the guy who started the thread;) ) and LOL ET Warrior. Thats a good point. I know that there is a EU story that says that the emperor survived the fall and lived on. BUT your right, he was blown to bits even if he survived the fall after the death star exploded. (please dont respond with the clone emperor EU stuff:rolleyes: ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dendrobius Posted June 18, 2002 Share Posted June 18, 2002 The Death Star is a LOT more intimidating than anything else...and that's its main purpose. Think about it. It blows up planets in one shot. Even planetary shielding can't stop it. The power it releases is MORE than if you combined the Death Star with an equivalent weight of antimatter (!!) (see http://www.stardestroyer.net/ for some serious calcs on this) Every planet is going to be wondering if it's the next one on the menu. And with the Death Star being able to go into hyperspace...obliteration is closer than you'd think. Sure, a fleet of Star Destroyers would be more effective. But hey, when you've got money like the Empire does, why not do something with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mez1109 Posted June 19, 2002 Author Share Posted June 19, 2002 Now lets see, what is easier to hit a Gigantic Ball Of Metal or a little ship, and once the rockets are released who is going to stop it. Even the explotion of one of these atom bombs in space will do damage to all ships surrounding it. I never said the Death Star dosn't destroy planets, it does, and it does it well, but also makes itself a target. The wall of China seemed to be a good idea when they were bulding it, but it wasn't, it just made warriors to attack it more often. But like the Empire who use clones, the Chineses have enough people to replace the thousands that die on the big wall. Now even a terrorist dosn't bring hundreds of tanks, several nuclear warheads and the whole works to attack an area, he staps a bomb to himself, and does the same damage as a tank would have before they destroyed it. If the X-Wing fighters can survive the MOST secured area of the Death Star and kick ass, then fly off home, then you have to ask yourself is it really worth it. As the Rebels loose a few ships and pilots, while the Empire looses their Ultimate Weapon. Have you noticed that bigger planes have become nearly useless in the Air Force, while smaller planes like Phantoms are the main choice for air fighting, and used to destroy SAM Sites and Radars. The Death Star is good, but they should have built a something like the Phantom, that can protect the powerful weapon. So what Ultimate Weapon could Aid the Ultimate Planet Destroyer. Me and you know the Tie-Fighter won't do it, they are just a hinderence, not a brake. What could this new weapon be called, maybe then Darth would have won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dendrobius Posted June 19, 2002 Share Posted June 19, 2002 The Death Star's ONE and ONLY purpose is to terrorize. That's ALL it has to do. The Imperial Navy has plenty of ISDs and TIEs to do all the military/police work necessary. As I've said earlier, for the same cost, a fleet of ISDs are going to be more effective. BUT, a fleet of ISDs isn't as intimidating as a battlestation the size of a moon which can turn your planet into the next asteriod belt of your particular solar system. And keep in mind the size of the Star Wars galaxy...you ain't talking hundreds of planets, you're talking thousands of star systems. (Separatists were numbered in the thousands and it was still not a galaxywide conflict yet...). ONE Death Star isn't effective if the goal is extermination...but the existance of that one is enought to cow the galaxy some more, ON TOP OF your fleet of ISDs and SSDs and whatnot. The Emperor wants a live galaxy to rule, not a radioactive chunk of rock to gloat over... Oh yeah, whoops, forgot to add one thing. Tactics. Death Star ain't going to be by itself, it's got it's own fleet to protect it. Jump into the system you want to blow into smithereens, use your big fleet to blow the !@#! out of your opponents, then let the Death Star do its thing, then hyperspace out before reinforcements arrive. Nice and simple, no? It was only due to the fact that the Emperor was using the incomplete DSII as bait in a totally unsuitable situation that caused its destruction. Under operational circumstances, no fighter would even see the DSII, let alone get starship support to blow its shields out and then fly inside it to blow it up. The original DS, well, that was just pure and simple arrogance. The Imperials could have blown every single Rebel scum out of space long before they got into range... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotionMan Posted June 19, 2002 Share Posted June 19, 2002 Originally posted by mez1109 Now lets see, what is easier to hit a Gigantic Ball Of Metal or a little ship, and once the rockets are released who is going to stop it.[/Quote] Who would attack a death star? The 2 death stars were blown up cause of luke and the force basically. The first was blown up cause luke made that force helped shot. The second was cause luke and company took out the death stars shield. If they didnt take out the shild the rebels were gonners. Thats the ONLY reason the 2 death stars were destroyed. Deathstar was in fact the ultimate weapon. It was LIKE a moving planet(small planet/moon). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mez1109 Posted June 19, 2002 Author Share Posted June 19, 2002 VERY GOOD POINTS. I agree on most of them, but space won't turn radioactive, it is a vaccum, only the planet will be radioactive, and any way, blowing up planets as you said is to scare other planets to surrender. The spacship engines if able to travel at such high speeds, will also probably produce radioactive waste, and all that communication equipment will cause radioactive waves as well. Still, even if it was Like, the Death Star still blew up. So what other FASTER security of secret weapon could they use. Maybe, new types of fighters built on the Death Star laser technology. The engines and phasers produce a small blast with the same effect as the Death Beam, that can blow a moon away. Or the simple Idea, as the Death Star is the size of a Moon, add several sattellites to it orbit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwakkie Posted June 19, 2002 Share Posted June 19, 2002 another reason why it wouldnt work(the d-star): It probably would fly/float backwards if the beam is fired, you know what I mean... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mez1109 Posted June 19, 2002 Author Share Posted June 19, 2002 Never thought of that. I you punsh the air in space, or throw a rock, It should technically go on for ever, as the Kenetic Force can not be transfured. No friction excist, but space is not a PERFECT vaccum, very few atoms do excist, and also space debree (didn't spell it right) is also there. Then again, lasers don't make sound, specially in space, neither do Tie Fighters. So the Death Star would NEVER in a real world work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotionMan Posted June 19, 2002 Share Posted June 19, 2002 Alot of things in SW wouldnt work in the real world:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mez1109 Posted June 19, 2002 Author Share Posted June 19, 2002 TRUE, but they could have made it abit harder to destroy, specially the second time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted June 19, 2002 Share Posted June 19, 2002 THWACK THWACK THWACK THWACK.........sorry, i just had to beat my head against the wall fora few minutes, because this thread is retarded.......The second death star WAS more defensible, we've been over this. The emperor allowed the rebellion to know about it because he had the energy shield from endor. Had the assault team not been aided by superhuman ewoks with rocks of doom, the enitre rebel fleet would have been destroyed. Not only was the shield impenetrable, but it's laser could fire accurately enough to shoot any capital ship and destroy it in one shot. The original death star had ONE weakness, and the odds of succesfully exploiting that weakness were a million to one. Any other assault plan would have failed. They could have shot at the death star with hundreds of capital ships and they would have gotten worked. It was intended to frighten, not to be practical, and to that end it worked. The rebellion was scared out of their pants. Did you see the people in the control room, they knew if those fighters didn't do anything, they were dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mez1109 Posted June 19, 2002 Author Share Posted June 19, 2002 Shut it, shut it, PLEASE. Discuss your point, not take the piss, why do you want to force your point. Some things people agree on, others they don't, stop being a Geschtapo Fuehrer, this is not the Nazi Forum, its the Star Wars forum. Like I told you before, don't like it, don't answer, NOT argue with me and other who reply on this thread and just agree on one point with me. I agree with some points that you have, you do the same. Sh*t, now I am pis*ed, I am going to play Medal Of Honour now...Kill some nazi scum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted June 19, 2002 Share Posted June 19, 2002 I wont agree with some of your points.....because i dont agree with them. sorry if you have finally realized that not everyone thinks your ideas are intelligent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotionMan Posted June 19, 2002 Share Posted June 19, 2002 Ill have to agree with ET Warrior. He basically posted what I was too lazy to type:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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