Kit fisto JK Posted June 22, 2002 Share Posted June 22, 2002 and so you would say that when luke choked the two guards it was because he didnt know that he wasnt saposed to because it caused pain and suffering? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zindell Posted June 22, 2002 Share Posted June 22, 2002 I think A jedi can use whatever damn force power he wants. And I know for a fact Plo koon had force lightning. there are no light or dark distinctions whatsoever you play too many games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDove Posted June 22, 2002 Share Posted June 22, 2002 Well he used it as a minor defence strategy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kit fisto JK Posted June 22, 2002 Share Posted June 22, 2002 Kyle is actually a rare exception. He stumbled upon the Valley of the Jedi, which gave him a strong connection to the force ok masterD-layamas he did not stumble onto the valley he knew it was there because he fought there before he gave up the ways of the force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-[MotU]-Lyger|=- Posted June 22, 2002 Share Posted June 22, 2002 Originally posted by MasterD-LeyAmas And Lyger, Kyle is NOT a lightside Jedi. In the time period of the games, he is not a Jedi, rather a force user that has not recieved training in the ways of the Jedi. Someone CAN use the force without being necessarily bound to either the Jedi or the Sith; however, Jedi training teaches the force user to keep their emotions in check, as all emotions have the potential to lead to hate, and hate is what leads a force user to use the force to attack, or in other words, the dark side. Kyle is actually a rare exception. He stumbled upon the Valley of the Jedi, which gave him a strong connection to the force, but he also struggles with the dark side, as we have witnessed in Jedi Knight 1/Mysteries of the Sith. Aside from EU writings that take place after the games, Kyle is never an official Jedi. ok in the sense of what i said, i ment that kyle isnt part of the darkside he's neither and thats what makes him bad ass, he's like the actual Jedi, not dark nor light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterD-LeyAmas Posted June 22, 2002 Share Posted June 22, 2002 No, I'm saying that since he had to learn on his own, he didn't have quite as much discipline, and was letting himself slip just a little. Luke, like Kyle, does struggle a little with the dark side in RotJ, as you can see by his actions in his battle with Vader. It's the same as if a person where to one day just snap and go beat the hell out of someone they don't like. That person might not be evil, they just let themselves give in to their anger, and inflicted pain on someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterD-LeyAmas Posted June 22, 2002 Share Posted June 22, 2002 That is why Kyle is a cool character for the games. He is the one Jedi ever mentioned that manages to keep a balance between the light and dark side. But as I said, it wasn't always that easy for him, as anyone who played JK1/MotS knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterD-LeyAmas Posted June 22, 2002 Share Posted June 22, 2002 And Kit Fisto, have you played JK1? He knew nothing of the Valley of the Jedi before he discovered it's existence. He was a force sensitive before he found it, however, the Valley boosted his connection to the force immensely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterD-LeyAmas Posted June 22, 2002 Share Posted June 22, 2002 Now Zindell, are you contradicting Master Yoda himself? The true Jedi never uses the force for attack. Plain and simple. Jedi may have the ability to use lightning, or to choke someone, but *they do not use it*. This is what separates the dark side from the light side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted June 23, 2002 Share Posted June 23, 2002 The Jedi aren't pacificists, that's for sure. But you can get into big philosophical debates about the "light side." Like for example, can you fight "all out" in a "Just War" or do you always have to let the other guy throw the first punch? A lightsaber is designed to cut through things. Isn't it "inherently violent" or something of that sort? Could a Light Jedi, in good conscience, ever use a lightsaber? He's using the force to concentrate and wield the thing with skill after all (note: I realize that you don't require the force to wield a lightsaber, but a Jedi or Sith uses the force to wield it better than any mere mortal). Can you kill people as long as it's "for a good cause" and you're "not angry"? Lots of stuff to ponder... fun at least because it's not real. ; ) Anyhow, the stuff about what powers do is stuff for game designers and RPG GM's to figure out. One thing I disagree with: Force Lightning is a directly Dark Power, it causes pain and suffering and a Jedi would have no use for such a weapon.... It could be used to start a fire (lightning starts fires naturally in forests all the time), which could be used to prepare food, warm someone, or cheer somebody up and toast some marshmallows. It could be used to fire up a generator or power-up some other electricity-based thing. It could be used defensively to hit somebody charging at you Which is how Dooku uses it to stop Anakin in AOTC btw. It could be used as a pyrotechnic thing to impress your friends. It could be used in construction or shaping of materials (if properly controlled). I can think of lots of ways.... Then there's this item Yoda throws lightning in AOTC. Sure you might argue he's really just "throwing Dooku's lightning back at him" but he's still USING it all the same! I rest my case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterD-LeyAmas Posted June 23, 2002 Share Posted June 23, 2002 Ah, but Kurgan, Luke was not in a war. Those pig guards posed no threat to him as a Jedi. Sure, a Jedi is not a pascifist. But a Jedi does not use the force to inflict pain. A Jedi may attack with their lightsaber, and only if reason were to call for it. As far as the different uses for lightning... -You can start a fire with two sticks (and Jedi all receive survival training). -It would only burn and singe any electrical unit (not to mention, it would be a fairly odd rarity to have to do). -You can use the force to push someone back, out of the way, or knock them off their feet, without burning them like a piece of toast. -A Jedi would never use the force to impress, it is a blatent show of egoism, and Jedi care not for such things (even though I know you were kinda kidding on that one). -Lighning cannot be controlled that precisely, only aimed and fired. -Yoda was only directing back the same force Tyranus used on him, to show that it would be of no further use against him; and just saying 'well, yeah, but he still shot it' doesn't make it any different. As I've said, when it comes down to it, a Jedi, when following the code of the Jedi, does not use the FORCE to ATTACK. If anyone doesn't understand this, then they do not understand the way of the Jedi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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