Anakin No Fly?

[MotionMan]

Ya...Star Trek is the best*

 

* Extreme sarcasm

 

 

[DarthVenom]

hehehe, sorry Motion i couldn't resist.. I think most of us know you hate StarTrek!

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by DarthVenom

hehehe, sorry Motion i couldn't resist.. I think most of us know you hate StarTrek!

 

I mean Start Trek has its moments, but it doesnt hold a candle to StarWars baby!

[DarthVenom]

No disagreement here! The best moments of ST are close-ups of the vulcan chicks breasts...

[mez1109]

I think that Star Trek probably copied the fast space battles from Star Wars.

 

Star Trek is supposed to be more realistic, bu no idiot stands arround for half an hour arguing in which angle to shoot a phaser.

 

Star Wars phylosophy, shoot as much crap as you can at them, if it hits good take the credit, if it doesn't, don't worry its going to hit sometime.

[Norin Radd]

Star Trek = Captain James Tiberius Kirk sowing his seed all over the universe.

[mez1109]

This is the federation starship USS Enterprise,

 

Our goal,

 

to search the galaxy for new worlds, and women to inprgnate.

 

 

I Captain James Kirk am accompanied by Spock, the man of all logic (chats alot of crap no one understands, one sentence spoken by him could have been explained by one word, just like what I am doing now)

 

The ships doctor, Mr. Mc Coy, who will always prove to Spock that logic sucks, humanity rules, and everytime helps by saying: No JIM, have you gone mad JIM.

 

The head engineer Scotty, who love the Enterprise, love his scotish scottch, and p*sses on both Mc Coys and Spocks idolgy.

[ET Warrior]

Star Wars battles are way uber cooler! I mean, they have excellent action, quick moving ships, lots of laser blasts.....and there are parts that make me chuckle sometimes....like in ESB when the falcon is leaving hoth and the 2 star destroyers run into each other....tis neat. Or in the asteroid field, you see an asteroid ram a destroyer bridge, then when vader is having the Holo-conference with the other ship commanders we see one of them raise his arms in a defense gesture and the image fades away...... I love it!

[RectalFury]

Well said, ET Warrior!

Star Trek is interesting because of the situations that arise, but that is only good for a TV Show. If you want epic battles and just generally great stuff happening then it's Star Wars all the way!

[mez1109]

Its the amount of ships and distruction in the background, as if there is no orgenisation, well that is what a dog fight is all about.

 

The action is not only where the main character or the camera is placed at is, but all arround it.

I sometimes wonder how anyone can actually survive those battles.

[AgentSmith]

I think that explains why so many Jedi died at the Arena battle on Geonosis. There were just so many droids, so many blastershots and the Jedi were terribly disorganised, they weren't able to form a decent defensive/offensive formation. I think what killed most Jedi there is just the fact they were overwhelmed.

 

Dooku also hints to that when he negociates with the Trade Federation, Banking Clan, TechnoUnion, all those really nice people *sarcasm* (Ohh I wanna slice up that Nute Gunray!) that they need to have a huge army so they can overwhelm the Jedi with numbers. He realises that's the best tactic, which was later shown in the Arena battle.

 

In the Mace/Dooku 'This party's over.' scene, the full scene dialogue was cut.

It was planned to be like this:

Dooku: 'You're impossibly outnumbered.'

Mace: 'I don't think so. One Jedi has to be worth a hundred Geonosians!'

Dooku: 'Is one Jedi worth a thousand battledroids?'

 

(Cue in droids. Sorry if I got the lines not exactly the same, but you get the idea.)

[AgentSmith]

The ROTJ battle always reminds me of Freespace and Freespace 2, pure spacesim dogfighting with big ships in the melee as well.

Those games rock! I recommend them actually, it's such a melee and hectic in battle! Sometimes when you don't memorize your objectives or don't listen attentively to what the others are yacking about on the comm you get so lost in a fight and overlook other events. (It's hard to hear what they say because the big ships have flak guns -yes I know it's weird but the effect is awesome- and death star style beam lasers and the sound effects of those are just awesome. They make your subwoofer tremble!)

[ET Warrior]

I found out today that Nute Gunray and Ki Adi Mundi are played by the same actor.....something that i was unaware of....it's interesting because KiAdi is so loved.....and everyone has to hate Nute Gunray.....

[Legacy_Of_Sith]

The thing I'm hoping for the most in EP III is for Sidious to get in a huge Saber duel with Yoda or multiple Jedi or something like that. As much as I wish Boba Fett is gonna make his first appearance with the Mandalore Armor, I doubt it because he'll only be 15.

[mez1109]

A Jedi is nearly invincible at a one to one battle, unless the Jedi is fighting another more powerful Jedi.

 

Even Jedi can't attack someone while defending their back, so two or more people taking on a Jedi make it impossible, specially when powerful sniping weapon are used, that even light sabers can't reflect, I hope the EU stuff such as the sniper rifle excist in the movies, or else there is no point.

 

If during the Darth Maul battle, Obi Wan was more experienced, Qui Gon could have attacked Maul, while Obi stabed him in the back, but its not very honerouble, still, they win.

 

The only thing about Jedis that is too fake in the movies, is in SW2, when youn Boba shoots the ships laser at Obi Wan, and he survives.

 

Obi doesn't really doge it, but gets blown away by the blast.

 

Jedis have force powers, but they can be cut by a knife, burn or even be blown into pieces, and that is what the space ship blast should have done.

 

I still wonder, did Obi dodge the phaser fire, he must have, there is also Jedi healing (or is that also only EU, you never know).

 

AgentSmith is right, there is a lack of Jedis, as not anyone can be one, only a few, and out of those few, how many are any good.

Obi Wan wasn't at first during EP1.

 

So the solution to killing Jedi is to BOMB them, not even the force can save you from a napalm or proper bomb blast, unless you can run away from a 1 mile radius area within 5 seconds. The problem actually getting the Jedis into such a situation, such as pointed out, the arena.

 

Qui Gon and Obi Wan ran away from those Droids with special armer, probebly designed to fight against Jedis as an extra, now imagine 1000000 of those buggers against the few Jedi Knights.

 

Even if you take out the mother ship, by that time alot of Jedis would have died.

 

The solution for the Jedis, invest into new technology, or already excisting technology, such as a special type of armor or shield.

Then again the jedis are there only to help against certain problems, and keep the Republic together, they weren't designed for war, the bad thing about this, the sith lords know that.

[MotionMan]

You are clearly obsesed with trying to find ways to kill jedi's:)

Face it , They dont go down easy.

Jangos ship blasts didnt make a direct hit. Neither did his backpack missle. Jedi have forced helped reflexes. They wont just stand there when a missle or blasts are comming their way.

Using the force they must have a high tolerance for pain and the amount of damage they can take in. Certainly much higher than a non force user.

[mez1109]

I agree with the fast reflexes part, but I doubt the high tolerence of pain.

 

When Luke lost his hand, he was in real pain, as you would be if you got your hand shopped off.

 

Just thinking of it, makes you feel the pain.

 

The saber of Dooku did give Obi two cuts, which did hurt him as well, and Anakin fainted from his pain, after losing half his arm.

[ET Warrior]

True...BUT luke chopped Vader in the shoulder and vader made an obvious sound of pain, so it was apparent that he got flesh, and vader fought on (ESB)

 

Also when Anakin jumped out of the speeder, fell all that way and grabbed Zam's speeder....there is no way that kind of getting jerked around would be painless.....most likely it would've pulled a normal persons arm right off. So there is a higher tolerance for pain with Jedi.

 

And in the Darth Maul battle obiwan and QuiGon were fighting on opposite sides of maul. Obi flipped over him and they were fighting on opposite sides...Darth mauls double bladed saber and his skills at using it kept obiwan from just stabbing himin the back.

Even Jedi can't attack someone while defending their back, so two or more people taking on a Jedi make it impossible, specially when powerful sniping weapon are used, that even light sabers can't reflect, I hope the EU stuff such as the sniper rifle excist in the movies, or else there is no point.

 

A jedi can take on a lot more than 2 people at once, even if they're on opposite sides of the jedi. And a sniping weapon that a lightsaber cannot block would be impossible, as lightsabers are solid beams of energy...nothing can pass through them. They either cut it or hit it and stop.

[mez1109]

The old SW did not show this over powering strength in Jedis.

 

Vader being hurt, doesn't mean he should give up, any human who has adreneline pumping can do the same, like incidents when farmer loses a leg because of an farming accident, and makes it 2 miles from his vast farm land back home.

 

The Anakin grabing onto the speeder is very unrealistic.

 

The first trilogy was more relistic, you knew Jedis were not invincible, its just the force gave them this edge to survive for longer then ordinary people, by being fast and athletic. Even though Han Solo was no Jedi, but also took on the Empire.

 

As it seems in SW2 they try to improve on the Jedi, they give them supernatural powers, which Jedis are not about.

 

In SW1 the mortality of the Jedis was always questioned, they are not invincible until SW2, as even Luke gets hurt bad, and he looks as if he was in battle.

 

Also I said IF Obi Wan was MORE SKILLED, he could have stabed Darth Maul in the back.

 

To MotionMan's comment:

 

I am not trying to find a way to kill of the Jedi, it is just that I like to remember the Jedis as worriors with extra capabilities who are heros, and at any time can be killed, but are so skilled they survive.

 

In SW2, the Jedi are turning to Superman.

Superman is a *pussy*, nothing hurts him, his invincible, the only way they could make him intersting is by adding cryptonite. Spiderman is a *poof* as well, needing to be genetically modified to find confidence in his sad life.

 

Kids love super powers, adults want some realism, Rocky only became succesful, as there was always a chance for him to lose.

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by mez1109

The old SW did not show this over powering strength in Jedis.

There wasnt any Jedis in the OT that could do justice to how the Jedi were in their prime. Luke was a newb. Obi was too old. Yoda was too old. The only one that showed a bit of evidence of how jedi used to be was vader I guese. They were just old guys by then.

The Anakin grabing onto the speeder is very unrealistic.

Of coarse it is. This is in fact star wars we are talking about. 90% of the stuff on screen isnt realistic.

The first trilogy was more relistic, you knew Jedis were not invincible, its just the force gave them this edge to survive for longer then ordinary people, by being fast and athletic. Even though Han Solo was no Jedi, but also took on the Empire.

You said "Jedi's" in the OT? Which ones? Like I explained before. There was only Luke. He was a newb. And the other guys were old men.

As it seems in SW2 they try to improve on the Jedi, they give them supernatural powers, which Jedis are not about.

LOL thats exactly what jedi's are about. Thats why they are the republics peace keepers. The whole Jedi order/religion in the movies is about supernatural power which is the force.

In the new films it shows that true Jedi dont go around abusing their powers. They use them when needed only.

In SW1 the mortality of the Jedis was always questioned, they are not invincible until SW2, as even Luke gets hurt bad, and he looks as if he was in battle.

Ok so Obi wan yoda and Vader and sidious die in the OT. Thats 4 jedi/sith.

In the new trigilogy we have maul dead, quigon dead, 100+ jedi dead in the arena battle. And your saying the mortality was better in the OT? Wait till ep3 comes out the # of dead jedis will triple.

I am not trying to find a way to kill of the Jedi, it is just that I like to remember the Jedis as worriors with extra capabilities who are heros, and at any time can be killed, but are so skilled they survive.

Your contridicting what you said earlier. First you say Jedis are not about supernatural powers. Now you say this?

In SW2, the Jedi are turning to Superman.

Superman is a *pussy*, nothing hurts him, his invincible, the only way they could make him intersting is by adding cryptonite. Spiderman is a *poof* as well, needing to be genetically modified to find confidence in his sad life.

They are not turning invincible. This is how they were BEFORE the OT. How can you say they are invincible when they get virtually wiped out?

Kids love super powers, adults want some realism, Rocky only became succesful, as there was always a chance for him to lose.

Dont worry I have a feeling the Jedi will lose in ep3;)

[mez1109]

Remeber I don't want the Jedi dead, I just don't like them being portraied as X-Men, with super powers.

 

Anakin is one of the most powerful Jedi ever, and he ends up in the Vader suit, what could have done this to him.

 

The capability to sustain more pain, aided by the force od course, is a very good point you made MotionMan, as I thought about it, I remembered that Anakin's body is totally physically damaged that he has to be fed by a mashine, he must have a lot of physicall stability and control of his pain to be still alive.

 

If the force resides within the blood of a Jedi as metocrolines (correct me if I got the spelling or the word wrong), it would be common sense to say that using that logic, Anakin must have sacroficed some of his power to stay alive, as less of his body excist, means less blood, meaning less metocrolines.

 

Without this disability, vader could have been the greatest of all Sith. I guess the clone war or the jedi coucil does this to Anakin. There is more chance for the clone war to destroy Anakin's body, as the well structured military attack the Clone Troopers fought in SW3 showed their power, and the vast amount of explosions.