Tom_Keo Posted June 25, 2002 Share Posted June 25, 2002 By far the worst of the series. Why? Let's see: -Bad acting. First of all, who da hell is that skinny anakin guy? We're supposed to believe he's the most powerful jedi ever? -Bad dialog/script. Tied to the first one. The love story? No wait, what love story? Just two people saying cheesy line without any emotions. "This party is over?" Yeah, it was over about 5 minutes into the movie. Lucas has thrown away all his creativity since he makes huge bucks either way, thus why not the easy way? -Ordinary special effects. I'm not impressed by any action scene from the movie. None of leads look like legitimate action stars(except Yoda). At least the last movie had Ray Park. So, the only reason to see this movie is Natelie Portman, if you're a guy. If you're a girl, there's no reason to waste your money whatsoever (if you're reading this you already did). Unless you want to get some big laughs from bad scenes like I did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePeople'sJedi Posted June 25, 2002 Share Posted June 25, 2002 Seriously though, what star wars movie had great acting or script? Bad dialog/script: see above. Ordinary special effects: i guess sock puppets are more on your entertainment level. Look at it this way my friend. I think a movies strongest asset is in it's ability to take you into that world. On this concept alone, i think GL has succeeded. Or i could be totally wrong too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holyhandgrenade Posted June 25, 2002 Share Posted June 25, 2002 I'm with you Jedi, I think people have this image of what Star Wars is supposed to be and GL had no hope in hell of meeting that expectation. They hold the OT in such high regard. Bad acting in Star Wars, who'da thunk it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oninosensi Posted June 25, 2002 Share Posted June 25, 2002 Star Wars was never meant to be an Academy Award winner. Accept the movies for what they are, chessy Sci-Fi, and enjoy. They are solly meant as entertainment, nothing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUHAHAHAHAHA Posted June 25, 2002 Share Posted June 25, 2002 I agree with everyone in this thread w/ the exception of the original poster. Maybe you think the acting in the OT is great, but if you watch it again, you'll notice the dialogue, acting, and characters are designed almost identically to the way they act in the OT. Lucas wants them to be consistent, as if it was one BIG movie. Sorry, it's not the Piano, Romeo and Juliet, and/or Terminator2. It's StarWars. If you understand the franchise style, you get a lot more out of the movie. As far as special effects, lets see you do a movie that has even 0.1 % of the special effects of the Battle of Genonosis scenes. The number of special effect scenes in this movie is greater than the entire length of some movies. The CGI animation is incredible, Yoda and *hiss* Jar Jar DO look like they are really there, interacting w/ the human characters. If you don't like it, fine, dandy, you don't need to watch it. Go watch your academy award-winning British dramas that bore people to death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mez1109 Posted June 25, 2002 Share Posted June 25, 2002 I agree with MUHAHAHAHAHA. not the best in the series, but you are a bit too harsh. The old Star Wars had much better script, and acting, but the bad script makes the actors even if good look stupid. Han Solo could give good joke lines, because his character was a rogue guy with a wookie, who transported anythingm without really caring, to spend his money gambling and drinking. Jedi on the other hand are hounrable trained fighters, with morals, Han Solo had morals, but they werent always showing. Arnold Schwarzenegger made himself look stupid, when he came up with bad scripts and dialogue, and worst of all his crummy jokes. Still Arny killed lots of people in different ways, but those bad movies will never come near Total Recall or Terminator 2. The same goes for SW2, it will never beat its predesesors. It looked good on the trailer, but did not deliver what it promised, as the trailer showed the only worth while scene of the movie, which was the arena battle. The only thing I strongly agree to, is the romance, which seemed more silly then romantic. Don't fergot, you opened a thread on a Star Wars Fan Site, alot of people will diss you after my post, and are trying to say that SW2 is the best movie, and they found it romatic and action packed. The truth being, that SPIDERMAN made it as the US TOP BOX OFFICE SMASH HIT, not Episode 2. Even though George tried hard to make SW2 pleasable to kids, he seemed to have failed. Kids, no matter what the rating, WILL watch the movie which has the adult action, viloance and dialogue, even though they don't understand it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionen Posted June 25, 2002 Share Posted June 25, 2002 Eeveryone that complains about the new movies makes the same mistake... they see the movie as cgi effects, and actors pretending to be like the SW characters. You have to look at it, from another view: That guy, is not Hayden Christiansen, it is Anakain SKywalker! And that green thing is not a effect made by a computer, it is Yoda! And they ARE flying in the space and figting with lightsabers. You take it all to serious.... just sit back, have a snack, and enjoy the movie, instead of searching for things they have made wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted June 25, 2002 Share Posted June 25, 2002 Lionen, you have hit it right on the dot......perhaps the reason i'm such a fan of star wars stems from the fact that i completely lose myself in this movie.... i never ever think about how they made that special effects shot.......i'm thinking how cool his ship is if it can do that! And the cheesy love story....i'm seeing it as a goofy 19 year old who's never been around girls that he's attracted to before.....and he says goofy stuff.....i mean, most guys get goofy around girls, it happens. I love AOTC (and i love Plo Koon) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom_Keo Posted June 25, 2002 Author Share Posted June 25, 2002 Ok, after reading all the replies to my original post, I think I need to add and clear up some stuff. First of all, to be more fair, AOTC does have some great computer generated graphics. But I realize now after all the movies that I've seen, and all the great looking games I've played (JKII among them), I'm at a point where I'm not going to be impressed by special effects alone. Secondly, ppl are putting words in my mouth. Did I say anything about the Academy Award and "boring British movies?" No, I'm comparing this movie to the others in the series, especially the original trilogy. My main position hasn't changed. I disagree completely that there has never been good acting and script in the series. Both were great in the original trilogy. Watching those movies now, I still laugh at Princess Leia's sarcastic comments, I still enjoy Han Solo's charming arrogance. But all we get in AOTC is characters reciting soap opera lines for the whole movie, which I can care less about. To me the barometer scenes are when the main character loses his hand/arm. Did I care about Anakin getting hacked? Absolutely not. But did I care greatly for his son's pain? I most certainly did, and still do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.BF Posted June 25, 2002 Share Posted June 25, 2002 oh yeah, if i could lose myself in the film and just accept christen hayden as anakin and all that, it would be much better. Unfourtunately the movie fails to draw me in to that extent. The acting and script are so wooden you can hardly believe these people are real. And CGI is, in so many scenes, SO conspicuous. While it's impressive, it just doesn't look 'real'. Plus, it's a relitively young technique. Puppet masters, like frank oz and co have a lot of experience in what they do, so they know how to make things move in a realistic fashion. There aren't many 3d modelers/animators that can boast the same. Having said that, my biggest complaint about the new film is how bloody long it is! 2 1/2 hours? wtf? Half the scenes in Ep1 and 2 could have been cut out and it would have been a better movie. They don't add to the movie. In fact, a lot of them detract from the mystery of the series as a whole, especially with regards to jedi. I won't even mention the love scenes. They're trying to be dawson's creek, but the actors are even worse, and the script is still hideous. What someone said earlier about kids is absolutely correct. It's not that much effort to make a film which appeals to kids even if it doesn't aim directly at them in such an exclusive fashion. Well, I'm not gonna go further, to avoid excessive flaming, but I've gotta say, as films go, it's pretty bad. It could have been good light entertainment, but it takes itself too seriously and it's too long. Or it could have been a 'good film', but it had a crap script/director/set of actors (with a couple of exceptions)/special effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mez1109 Posted June 26, 2002 Share Posted June 26, 2002 I did not actually grow into the movie, I kept on looking at the cinema walls, complaining about the crap Silver Metal Effect on the Naboo ship. It seems that the models and puppets made in the old SW, make Yoda look more real, and the ships as well. But that is not what puts me off SW2, JK2 is a game, the graphics are very good for a game, but it never be the same realism as a Movie. Still, the game achieves to draw you into the Star Wars world, and you being the Jedi, even though Luke's head looks funny shaped beacuse of his hair. You hardly ever see the Desann (enemy) in the game until near the ebd, but Desan appears in cetain points of the movie, while you have to beat two sub bosses, and there is so much new things happening, by new characters appearing continuesly as you progrss through the game. SW2 had ALL that as stated above. They had the latest technollogy and a massive budget, but there was no Imagination, no proper Movie Stage Design. Instead you are thrown into the same looking world and character over and over again. The acting in the game was better, beaten by a computer generated character. For example in Rogue Leader GC, you hear the Empirial entrance Music, and see the tip of a Emperial Distroyer moving through space. Now you think, yep its a Emperial Destroyer moving accross space, as in the old movies, even the music is there. That is not what happens, the music changes, and you see that there is only the tip of Destoyer there, the rest blown off, Suprise. This somehow makes you think, COOL, exellent idea. George himself personnaly, and a few employees from Lucas Studios, themselves review the game, write the story, and check the game has the Star Wars style, so that it is worthy to receive the Lucas Arts name and Logo. So it can't be George's fault, that the SW1&2 came out wrong, as his games beat the movies several time over, and have actually made him more money then his new movies. The game industry itself has made more money within last year, then Hollywood made during the same time. Could George be again more interested in his old investment of the game industry, which bought us the first graphical adventure game LOOM, then Monkey Island & Indy etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.BF Posted June 26, 2002 Share Posted June 26, 2002 [games rant] starwars games have kinda gone to pot in the last few years too. They almost rival startrek for the sheer quantity of licence tie-in non-games that have been produced recently. Read: super bombad racing, galactic battlegrounds, droidworks, battle of naboo, the phantom menace, and to an extent, the new rogue squadron series. All these games are crap. There was a day when lucasarts only made excelent star wars games, xwing, tie fighter, dark forces and jediknight to name the most prestigious. (I'm gonna go against trend and say force commander should have joined their ranks. It was definitely made in the old school of starwars game design) Now they're all too happy to give licences to anybody who might make them a little cash, without showing an ounce of shame. [/games rant] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keiran Halcyon Posted June 26, 2002 Share Posted June 26, 2002 Originally posted by Tom_Keo By far the worst of the series. Why? Let's see: -Bad acting. First of all, who da hell is that skinny anakin guy? We're supposed to believe he's the most powerful jedi ever? -Bad dialog/script. Tied to the first one. The love story? No wait, what love story? Just two people saying cheesy line without any emotions. "This party is over?" Yeah, it was over about 5 minutes into the movie. Lucas has thrown away all his creativity since he makes huge bucks either way, thus why not the easy way? -Ordinary special effects. I'm not impressed by any action scene from the movie. None of leads look like legitimate action stars(except Yoda). At least the last movie had Ray Park. So, the only reason to see this movie is Natelie Portman, if you're a guy. If you're a girl, there's no reason to waste your money whatsoever (if you're reading this you already did). Unless you want to get some big laughs from bad scenes like I did. YEAH. And I AM Mickey Mouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keiran Halcyon Posted June 26, 2002 Share Posted June 26, 2002 Star Wars games are the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kryllith Posted June 26, 2002 Share Posted June 26, 2002 Actually Galactic Battlegrounds is one of my favorite Star Wars game. I'm not much of a fan of the originals flight simulators. (I liked them well enough, but prefered the original Wing Commander games)... Kryllith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted June 26, 2002 Share Posted June 26, 2002 Galactic battle grounds is a very good game....and the Rogue Squadron games are AWESOME!!!! And i still think the movie is super great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentSmith Posted June 26, 2002 Share Posted June 26, 2002 Mhhhh... *Pops open Sgt.Bf's head to reveal the total absence of braincells.* I suspected that. *Pops open Tom_Keo's head to reveal the total absence of braincells.* I suspected that too. Arrogant, too sure of themselves they are. Envy and jealousy. Why can you just not go around expressing your opinion in a decent fashion and respect others? Just go: 'Hey I respect the work those people put in it, the fact you all like it but personally I didn't like it.'. You're both abusing your prerogative of free thought (as if there was any real thought there, du'h) and free speech by being disrespectful and translating your own negativity and unhappiness, which you yourself are the cause of, by unnecessarily harrassing people with passion, imagination and who are open minded enough to immerse themselves in other's vision and dreams. I have Galactic Battlegrounds, it's lots of fun. Is it totally ripped of from Age of Kings II? Yes and no. Yes it resembles it but no it's not a rip-off because it's based on AOEII, they even state that on the box! Never had Super Bombad racing or Droidworks. Why? Because it's made for children! (Figures you'd have it.) And if you really think you can do better than George Lucas or ILM, Lucasarts? Be my guest! Go ahead. Prove it. We'll all be sure to critisize you as harshly and unnecessarily as you critisize SW and us. I mean somethimes I wonder why you people even bother? Did you ever like anything about it? Or does it make you feel better to constantly be neagtive and derogatory? Perhaps you should all look at yourselves, think and have less misplaced expectations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentSmith Posted June 26, 2002 Share Posted June 26, 2002 Oh yeah and I almost forgot, as ET_Warrior put it. I love AOTC! (And I love Aayla Secura!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.BF Posted June 26, 2002 Share Posted June 26, 2002 yeah, thought I'd get flamed. No, I don't like being mean about star wars, I hate it. I hate it the same way as I hate telling a good friend that the new dress they just bought really does look hideous. I hate it cos I really want to like it, but it's lost so much of what made it great. No, I couldn't do any better, but there's a lot of people that could. I'm sad that it turned out so bad. And I don't think it's entirely the fault of the people working on the titles, but rather the pressures of recent trends in filmmaking. And the completely different senarios of producing the two trilogies. I only hope I can grow to love these new films as I did the old, but I don't think I can. Well, people may like this film, they're entitled to do so. I suppose it's just a testament to the different ways we see starwars. It's also illustrated in the games divide. I know a lot of the games I listed as bad are, in fact, very popular, but they don't deserve the once legendary star wars label. I hate to say it, but I'm beginning to see starwars turn into mediocre daytime sci-fi, like star trek, farscape and all that bollox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oninosensi Posted June 26, 2002 Share Posted June 26, 2002 Sgt.BF, sounds like your trying to hard. It is what it is, and doesn't try to be anything different. Just relax and enjoy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Vehicular Jedi Posted June 26, 2002 Share Posted June 26, 2002 As many have said on this post, Star Wars has never had outstanding acting in the episodes. It's the world as a whole, the images, sounds, sights, etc... that make it good. While I thoroughly enjoyed Ep. 2, as much as I try to convince myself that it is as good as the originals, the weaknesses become apparent. The acting, not the worst ever seen, has declined quite a bit in its intensity since the OT. Chances are that it's primarily due to the horrible lines the actors were supplied with. The rash and impulsive character of Han Solo really was quite frantic and loud, and the character of Luke when encoutering Vader as his father showed much anguish. These emotions seem to be lost in the new movies, replaced by a very antiseptic sense of emotions. Even when Anakin kills the entire Tusken village, the scene is cheapened by his mother's incredibly hammy death. But nostaglically wishing for the days of yonder is a fruitless quest, and the best thing that can be done is to get out the popcorn and nachos, and enjoy some slick, high budget goodness. While comments about the bad acting have alot of relevance, Star Wars is still the most frickin' cool series of movies ever created. As a whole, it works, and man is it fun stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holyhandgrenade Posted June 26, 2002 Share Posted June 26, 2002 Star Wars is still the most frickin' cool series of movies ever created. As a whole, it works, and man is it fun stuff. Amen to that my Canadian brother! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norin Radd Posted June 26, 2002 Share Posted June 26, 2002 CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted June 26, 2002 Share Posted June 26, 2002 I dont think so.......nobody ever spells my name right.....its' not ET Worrior, and it's not ET_Warrior.....ET Warrior...no underscore.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotionMan Posted June 26, 2002 Share Posted June 26, 2002 The new movies are are how Lucas always wanted SW to look. If he could have he would have made the OT look the same. About the acting. Its fairly the same in my opinion. But I dont go see SW for the great facial expresions and shakpearean dialog. I go to see Jedis kick ASS! Space ships blow up stuff. See what will happen next in the exciting SW universe I know and Love! If you are the type of people that go sit though a SW flick and worry about camera angles, oscar caliber acting, special effects that are too clean, ect ect --then your not going to enjoy the movie. If people would stop nitpicking the hell out of the movies and maybe youll enjoy them more. They cant possible have the same effect as the OT had on you because SW was totally new. You didnt know the story. you didnt know what was going to happen. After watching the OT you know what happens before the OT. Our expactaions have been growing outrageously for almost 20 years of waiting for a new SW movie. The new movies are doing a terrific job of cramming the enormous amount of stuff that happens pre-ep.4. Just sit back and enjoy the NT. People are used to the old charecters also cause they own the OT and they have seen it hundreds of times. Of coarse your going to get attached to the charecters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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