daniel_knights Posted July 4, 2002 Share Posted July 4, 2002 Dooku posed as Sypho-Dius. I've seen too many people asking questions or just plain getting it wrong on this subject both in the threads here and at supershadows website. I will explain the way I see it and feel free to argue with me because I believe I'm never right. First of all forget anything you may have heard on a character named Darth Rage. He isn't mentioned in the movies and therefore is not a part of anything. As far as I can see it Dooku was the next apprentice of Sidious. Facts: For starters we know that there is 10 years between the first two episodes. *We are told in episode 2 that the clones were ordered 10 years ago by a Jedi named Sypho-Dius. *We also know that Jango is the clone doner and was "recruted by a man named Tyrannus". Tyrannus we later find out is Dookus Sith Lord name upon being welcomed home by his master. *We know that it must have been a Jedi that erased the hall of records file on Kamino, where the cloning took place. *We know that it was Palpatine & Dooku choreographing the war from the last few lines in the movie, where Dooku says "I bring good news.....the war has begun". This shows that Dooku knew that everything he was doing with the seperatists was all just a front & thus *His line to the Geonosian leader regarding the attacking clones was just a bluff - "How could the Jedi ammass such an army..?". He recruted Jango to start the attacking side! I propose that this is what happened between Episodes 1 & 2: After the death of Maul, Palpatine seduced Dooku to the dark side. Dooku in his last days as a Jedi erased the Kamino records and headed there to create the clone army under the guise of the recetly demised Jedi Sypho-Dius. He may even have had a hand in his death. To complete the deal to create the army with the Kamino cloners he contacted the bounty hunter Jango Fett under his new Sith Lord name Tyrannus. During the next 10 years he started the seperatists and began to formmulate their side of the eventual war - creating alliances and creating a massive (but not big enough) droid army that would obviously fall to the more battle intelligent Clones. All this culminated in the war on Geonosis, where Sidous plan came through when Dooku was able to bluff his way into stealing the Death Star plans, that we all know Palpatine uses for himself and eventual empire, and not for helping the seperatists. So there you go. You take Darth Rage out of the equation and the mysterious creation of the clones seems clearer. This is the way I believe Lucus is telling the story. Although I could be proved wrong in 3 years time........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotionMan Posted July 4, 2002 Share Posted July 4, 2002 Your correct. Although we had come to that conclusion in an earlier thread here:) Dooku Most likely ordered the clones under the request from Sidious. About this Dark Rage charecter: He sounds like EU, so it doesnt have anything to do with the movies. I think he is supose to be Obi-Wans evil clone:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kryllith Posted July 4, 2002 Share Posted July 4, 2002 Of course it's Dooku (thought it was quite obvious in the movie). Though he didn't actually make them, but had them commissioned to be made. Would have taken him a long time to make them himself. Kryllith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaster21801 Posted July 4, 2002 Share Posted July 4, 2002 Umm... if you leave Darth Rage in the equation everything still fits into place. Darth Rage was *supposedly* the only remaining Sith Lord. He then mandated that there may only be two Sith at one time. Master and apprentice. This we hear in the movies when Sammy J is talking to Yoda in the end of Ep 1. I haven't heard anything else about Darth Rage. So who is he? Theoretically of course, cuz he is definitely EU. Or was it Darth Bane who mandated that? Eh, whatever... I understood the movie. Don't see why so many don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcceptableRisk Posted July 4, 2002 Share Posted July 4, 2002 'Twas Darth Bane. I agree, but I thought that was what the average Star Wars geek movie goer was supposed to deduce from watching AotC. It was just all a ploy to get the Jedi into a vulnerable position and give Palpy emergency rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcceptableRisk Posted July 4, 2002 Share Posted July 4, 2002 Originally posted by Kryllith Of course it's Dooku (thought it was quite obvious in the movie). Though he didn't actually make them, but had them commissioned to be made. Would have taken him a long time to make them himself. Kryllith Doh, missed this before I posted. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaster21801 Posted July 4, 2002 Share Posted July 4, 2002 Originally posted by AcceptableRisk 'Twas Darth Bane. D'oh... then who's Darth Rage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotionMan Posted July 4, 2002 Share Posted July 4, 2002 Originally posted by Jaster21801 D'oh... then who's Darth Rage? Look at my first post in this thread. He is an EU charecter. I think he is Obi-Wans EVIL clone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy_Of_Sith Posted July 4, 2002 Share Posted July 4, 2002 It seems really weird that the clonewars is a sham. However, it is very convienient for Palpy/Sidious. He eliminates all of his opposition by making them destroy each other. He'll have gotten rid of a big chunk of Jedi, destroyed the Seperatist forces, amassed a massive army for his bidding and gotten the plans for the ultimate weapon. Nothing will stop Sidious. The plot for EP II was excellent. I can't believe we have to wait 3 years for EPIII, I want more already! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kryllith Posted July 4, 2002 Share Posted July 4, 2002 Actually it's not that weird. From my understand of history people in the mob wars would play both sides in other to gain an advantage that would ultimately put them on top. Most likely it goes on in the corporate world all the time as well. This just happens to be a grander scale version of a rather old game. Kryllith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniel_knights Posted July 4, 2002 Author Share Posted July 4, 2002 Yeah I don't think it's too weird. Well Palpatine is really just repeating himself on a much much larger scale. Afterall, he was the gentlesith in league with the Trade Federation, all the whilst being the chancelor from Naboo, a world that was at the time being blockaded by the TF. So I guess he decided that if at first you don't succed...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kryllith Posted July 4, 2002 Share Posted July 4, 2002 Only he did succeed. I'm pretty sure the whole point of the naboo conquest was to put him into the position of Supreme Chancellor (after all, he indicates that the situation in Naboo should give him a strong sympathy vote). After being put into position he probably didn't care what happened anymore to the trade federation (though he had to appear that he did as Sidious). Kryllith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted July 4, 2002 Share Posted July 4, 2002 He probably didn't even pretend that he cared about the Trade Federation after he became Chancellor....Because Dooku did say in ep. 2 that Nute was betrayed by sideous...so Nute probably called up Sideous after they lost and Sideous said...hmmm...too damn bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaster21801 Posted July 4, 2002 Share Posted July 4, 2002 heh heh... Gunray: Lord Sidious! Your plan has failed Sidious: You must be mistaken. My plan was foolproof. Gunray: But we have been defeated! Sidious: Oh well... krshhhhhhhk.... um.. krsssshk.... I'm breaking up. I'll contact you later. *snicker snicker* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shidobu Posted July 4, 2002 Share Posted July 4, 2002 Someone said earlier that Dooku was faking when he acted surprised at th e intervention of the clones, but I don't think this is the case. Dooku had no way of knowing that the council was aware of his cloning deal. He was most likely expecting palpatine to spend time pretending to gather an army whilst he executed obi-Wan and the others and attacking the seperatists after the Jedi had been decimated [which would seem more expident]. Yoda's tactics just happend to fit the sith's grand scheme as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master_tee Posted July 4, 2002 Share Posted July 4, 2002 Thats Why The Stormtroopers Look So Much Like The Clones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted July 4, 2002 Share Posted July 4, 2002 But Dooku most likely DID know that the Jedi knew of the clones. Jango knew that Obi-Wan had found out about those clones and had certainly checked in with his masters. And Jango probably told Dooku about it once he got to Geonosis. So Dooku was most likely just acting so that they would not be suspicious of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniel_knights Posted July 4, 2002 Author Share Posted July 4, 2002 Top point ET. And really you'd think the Obi-wan would have a strong hunch as to Dookus Sith alter-ego after seeing Jango standing alongside Dooku at the executions. I mean after Jangos' "I take my orders from a man named Tyrannus". Everyone knew that Dooku was the leader of Seperatists, and here is Jango hanging out with a Dark Jedi. Hmmmm. Okay thats a long shot maybe but Jedis have insight, right?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle d'Tana Posted July 5, 2002 Share Posted July 5, 2002 I think it was Dooku. But he must have forgot this army, cause he could go there and say I wants my army but he didn't do that... so the republic did it. Could it be, that Sidious said, that he wants this army using the republic for his plans to rule the galaxy???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaster21801 Posted July 5, 2002 Share Posted July 5, 2002 I'm pretty sure Dooku is playing both sides of the war much like Sidious is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted July 5, 2002 Share Posted July 5, 2002 It's quite obvious that he is playing both sides, as we see him at the end of the movie telling Sideous that the war has begun, and then Sideous says "Excellent, everything is proceeding as planned" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kryllith Posted July 5, 2002 Share Posted July 5, 2002 Definitely. Dooku didn't forget the army; he built for Palpatine to start the Clone Wars and ultimately assure his master complete control over ther Republic. Kryllith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniel_knights Posted July 5, 2002 Author Share Posted July 5, 2002 Bingo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy_Of_Sith Posted July 10, 2002 Share Posted July 10, 2002 Can someone please explain to me the point of the storyline behind EP 1? I never really uderstood why Sidious wanted the Trade Federation to occupy Naboo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted July 10, 2002 Share Posted July 10, 2002 he wanted to get Amidala to vote no confidence in Valorum, allowing Palpatine to step up as supreme chancellor......sly bastard! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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