t3rr0r Posted October 2, 2002 Share Posted October 2, 2002 Originally posted by PIo Koon [b#2..about his nose...personally i think its about the right size...but ill play around with it and see what i can do[/b] well, the main part of his nose is slimmer, but there is some other part that casts some shadow... it's in the pic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIo Koon Posted October 2, 2002 Author Share Posted October 2, 2002 yea i don't mind doing it..people have different opinions and sometimes people see things the way they REALLY are..instead of how some of us THINK they are so wish that said..thankx for pointing it out t3rr0r ...ill work on his nose after i get his lower torso and arms worked out ---UPDATE--- Arm Sleeves..Belt..and Lower Torso have been made...im just playing around with the shape at the moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t3rr0r Posted October 2, 2002 Share Posted October 2, 2002 ah i figured out what those parts casting the shadow were... nostrils! silly me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kururin Posted October 2, 2002 Share Posted October 2, 2002 Example of tabbards http://www.renegademods.info/users/JDiesal/example.JPG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIo Koon Posted October 2, 2002 Author Share Posted October 2, 2002 heres the updated pic note that the arms...upper body..belt..AND lower body are VERY rough...im still working on the head but thats closer to being done..the rest still need detailing which i know..so don't worry! http://www.renegademods.info/users/SpartnII/TreborNEW3.jpg but as always..any iiiCoNsTrUcTiVe!!! Critisizing is welcome...anyway...back to work... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kururin Posted October 2, 2002 Share Posted October 2, 2002 Did u see the example? There's suppose to be two different tabbards not one. Anyways its still too skinny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIo Koon Posted October 2, 2002 Author Share Posted October 2, 2002 ok..when u say to skinny...say the view..plz also..Trebor does not have 2 tabbards hanging down..believe me...every jedi does not wear the same uniform...the exact same way...and the same style...look at these pics http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/colemantrebor/img/curve.jpg http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/colemantrebor/img/eu_bg.jpg look at your example..the tabbards are on the side...now look at the second pic u just posted...theirs only one tabbard hanging down and its in the middle..which leaves me to believe he only has 1 tabbard hanging that way ALSO...Trebor never wore the vest that is in your example..look at the first pic i showed u..thats just regular cloth...look at yours...it has cloth thats "covered" with something that looks like leather...and they also do not cross over each other..in the first pic and the second pic u can see that the tabbards cross over...so that also wouldn't work so i think if i had 2 tabbards hanging down it wouldnt look right...if u REALLY want the double tabbard..ill try and see about getting another piece to hang down behind the other tabbard bt kinda to the side..but im not even sure that would look good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t3rr0r Posted October 2, 2002 Share Posted October 2, 2002 i should stop looking at that coleman bust (the back of his skull is not round)... http://www.theforce.net/multimedia/archive/Images/Episode_2/Characters/Coleman_Trebor/aotc-coleman-dooku.jpg as you can see, his nose sticks out quite a bit, too. also, his chin seems rounder than in the bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midgit Yoda Posted October 2, 2002 Share Posted October 2, 2002 Yeah I'll have to agree. The nose of Trebor should be a little thinner. I noticed once again in the version I had that I had to make it a tad bit smaller. Lookin good. Might wanna work on that part of the torso that's like with the belt. Looks like he's wearin a thin tire around his waist with a belt over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kururin Posted October 2, 2002 Share Posted October 2, 2002 Originally posted by PIo Koon ok..when u say to skinny...say the view..plz also..Trebor does not have 2 tabbards hanging down..believe me...every jedi does not wear the same uniform...the exact same way...and the same style...look at these pics http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/colemantrebor/img/curve.jpg http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/colemantrebor/img/eu_bg.jpg look at your example..the tabbards are on the side...now look at the second pic u just posted...theirs only one tabbard hanging down and its in the middle..which leaves me to believe he only has 1 tabbard hanging that way ALSO...Trebor never wore the vest that is in your example..look at the first pic i showed u..thats just regular cloth...look at yours...it has cloth thats "covered" with something that looks like leather...and they also do not cross over each other..in the first pic and the second pic u can see that the tabbards cross over...so that also wouldn't work so i think if i had 2 tabbards hanging down it wouldnt look right...if u REALLY want the double tabbard..ill try and see about getting another piece to hang down behind the other tabbard bt kinda to the side..but im not even sure that would look good I disagree; i remember two tabbards but whatever its your model. Think what u want to think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t3rr0r Posted October 2, 2002 Share Posted October 2, 2002 damn this computer... i just made a couple of really nice comparison pictures with the movie shot/model shot... if only it would let me upload! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIo Koon Posted October 2, 2002 Author Share Posted October 2, 2002 JDiesal i was just trying to say i didn't think the idea of 2 tabbards wasn't accurate...hey..maybe im wrong..i think i was right but its always worth a try..right?...so if i defend my own idea plz don't act like i was insulting u...it just makes me mad (also if i read what u said in the wrong tone...sorry =OD)...but seriously...if u think my model could be fixed in a way don't give up on your idea...im making this model for me and u guys...if i only listened to my own ideas it wouldn't be as good...but ill try the 2 tabbard ideo tonight or tomorrow anyway... Yoda and t3rr0r...jeesh hold on =OP...ill get to work on the nose next..don't worry ill get it slimmed down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kururin Posted October 2, 2002 Share Posted October 2, 2002 Idea? What idea? It's fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t3rr0r Posted October 2, 2002 Share Posted October 2, 2002 Originally posted by PIo Koon Yoda and t3rr0r...jeesh hold on =OP...ill get to work on the nose next..don't worry ill get it slimmed down i know, i know. i made the two comparison pics to help with noting any other needed tweaks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIo Koon Posted October 2, 2002 Author Share Posted October 2, 2002 yea they were helpful...to bad i didn't get to see them =OP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twisted Vertex Posted October 3, 2002 Share Posted October 3, 2002 How did you make the arms? extrude your did you make a a cylinder and shaped it out, then mirrored it? casue it doesn't have a very fluid look to the torso. Even if it is rough, I would recommened that being TOP Propority, to get those seams fixed. Have you expiermented with extursion, it makes everything a bit more fluid. Plus you have a lot more control over the sub-divisons. Another tip to make uvw mapping easier. Work in halves. Like do only half the model and when you near completion mirror it. Then tweak everything so it looks nice. that way your uvw mapps will be nice and neat, and the model will be symmetrical. Just some advice. my two euros Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansible Posted October 3, 2002 Share Posted October 3, 2002 Looks great man, a lot better than your last one , or so I remember... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIo Koon Posted October 3, 2002 Author Share Posted October 3, 2002 Twisted Vertex ...i use Extrude alot...but yea i made it out of a cylender..just didn't want to go back and cut everything to get it setup and extrude and all that 2'nd...yes i know..i said it was rough then im going back and detailing..itll look better trust me --EDIT-- and yes i work in halves..thats how i did mostly everything on the model Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t3rr0r Posted October 3, 2002 Share Posted October 3, 2002 ok here's the comparison images... http://clan-cd.tripod.com/jk2/coleman-front.txt http://clan-cd.tripod.com/jk2/coleman-side.txt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midgit Yoda Posted October 3, 2002 Share Posted October 3, 2002 Okay here's my two cents... 1. From the side view he is way too thin. His chest is good but his stomack sinks in too far. 2. What is up with the tan part behind his belt. It looks like he's wearing a small tan tire around his waist. 3. You should definitly extrude the arms or else you will get nasty deformations and ugly seams. That's my two cents. Other then that it looks good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIo Koon Posted October 3, 2002 Author Share Posted October 3, 2002 no offense by this...seriously...but are u looking at the pic?...he has 2 belts...a big tanish one that matches his clothes and a brownish one that goes over it as for the arms...yes i know im working on it now personally i like the side view and how it looks but ill do what ur asking (if i seem like im getting bitchy at u...plz..plz..ignore it...ive just had a really bad day and people are lieing to me left and right) also to t3rr0r...those pics are nice..thankx for making them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midgit Yoda Posted October 3, 2002 Share Posted October 3, 2002 Well you need to make the belt look more like a belt. And as for the waist, do what you want with it, it's your model. I am just goin from my POV but I know how it is being a modeler and having people say something on ur model is wrong. Even thought hey are tryin to help sometimes it's hard heh. N e way keep it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-s/<itzo- Posted October 3, 2002 Share Posted October 3, 2002 the opening of the shirt from the neck should be more further down. just check out the compare pics from terror. other than that the model is doing great. can't wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-s/<itzo- Posted October 3, 2002 Share Posted October 3, 2002 ohh yeah about the tabard issue, it is two. the picture you showed with one, actual has two since he was bending his legs and plus the robe was covering it so you really couldn't see it. trust me on this. check it out again: http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/colemantrebor/img/eu_bg.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kururin Posted October 3, 2002 Share Posted October 3, 2002 He's not going to do it probably cause he thinks it's an Idea when its fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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