Darth Windu Posted July 4, 2003 Share Posted July 4, 2003 I think we all agree that the best way to do this is the 'invisible commander' approach. Of course the next question is do we play as ourselves, a major character, or a minor character? Personally i would prefer playing a major character. PS: with this potential ban in the US, it serves you people right for electing the Republicans! I mean seriously, when will the Americans learn that electing Republicans isnt in their best interests? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorranSec Posted July 5, 2003 Share Posted July 5, 2003 Actually, Windu, we don't all agree that the best way to do this is the 'invisible commander.' I'm dead against it, Vostok agrees with me, and as far as I can tell Ed and Sith don't like your idea, even if they haven't stated support for mine. And if you're an invisible commander, you can't be yourself or a character. Your 'next question' is actually about some of the other approaches. So. What is the best way to do it? I've thought up campaigns with a fictional main character, which you sympathise with and follow the quests of (such as an Admiral Talthas for the Imperials and Commander Ariel Stanthor), but I'd like to have them as in-game characters, which you order around in missions (guide Ariel to a certain location, etc). But I haven't got anything for the player to be, and... well, really, I don't think there needs to be anything. You could be Moff Devlin helping out Talthas, or Captain Devlin helping Ariel, but that's not really necessary. It would detract from the main story, lead to even more confusion and lack of realism (Why is Devlin sitting behind a computer monitor ordering Ariel into battle?) and just generally mess up the game. So I believe that the WC3/AoM way is best. Vostok: Oh come on. It wasn't that bad a metaphor, as metaphors go. It made sense to a point. And yes, all Americans should stop killing themselves, stop being Republican, and generally stop being stupid. No offense, Sith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediMasterEd Posted July 5, 2003 Share Posted July 5, 2003 I myself am a Republican but I think Bush has done nothing but follow in his fathers foot steps. I fear that the next voting will result in another Cliton win... Anyway, it would be better off that you are NOT part of it, you're just commanding the ground and air forces (ie. Warcraft and Age of Mythology). The cinemats in Warcraft III (Thralls Dream, Arthas Walking in and killing his father, Archamendmon and the distruction of Lorderon, Death of Grom) were specactular. Now only if they could implement those graphics into the game... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sithmaster_821 Posted July 6, 2003 Share Posted July 6, 2003 Well, its not only the Republicans who are against gaming. Lieberman is probably the biggest advocate for video game banning in the Senate, and uhhh.....maybe thats it. And to all you Aussies, I've yet to vote Republican (i cant vote) or kill anyone, but I cant vouch for the rest of my country. We got some real wackos in the South/Midwest (most of which just so happen to be Republican:)). Me and pbguy and JediMasterEd all atleast live in (somewhat) sane states (although everyone accuses New Jerseyians of poor driving habits) Back on topic, the route of AoM/Warcraft/SWGB, where there is a central character that the story follows and the player just commands that character and their enterage(sp?) is the best bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted July 6, 2003 Author Share Posted July 6, 2003 Off-topic: I remember in 2000 in the times of the american elections when Bush won. Now me and all my friends we're talking about that(if we lived in the US) we would vote for the democrats(in this case Al Gore). At that moment we didn't like Bush(we still don't) but if it wasn't Bush...it would be Al Gore(I mean what the ????). That's the nice think about Canada having more then two parties:D ! Back On topic: Nevertheless, you're still the ''invisible commander''. Think about it. When you order the guys to go around, do you see Arkantos or say Vader ordering to go around? Well I guess it comes down to the same think. Let's get back to some Off-topic politics.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediMasterEd Posted July 6, 2003 Share Posted July 6, 2003 Off Topic: Massacusetts is not sane...our two representatives are Democratic, and it's some-what rare that you'll see a shooting around here. Quite fankly, I really don't care who is leading our country, since I myself am too young to vote. As long as they don't do anything to our school systems or anything else, I'm fine... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted July 7, 2003 Author Share Posted July 7, 2003 Off-topic: You should care wheter or not you're still too young to vote. The decisions of those leaders will affect your future. It's always important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sithmaster_821 Posted July 7, 2003 Share Posted July 7, 2003 Yeah, its our Social Security thats paying for the Bush tax cut. And both our Senators and the majority of our congresspeople are Democrats too. Whats so weird about that? BOT, the "invisible non-existant commander" is by far the best way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Vostok Posted July 7, 2003 Share Posted July 7, 2003 Canada doesn't have a two party system? Hurrah, I'm actually going to be moving there at the start of next year (Toronto, most likely). On Topic: I think I'll start a poll on what people would prefer in terms of commanders/characters/etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorranSec Posted July 7, 2003 Share Posted July 7, 2003 Off-Topic: Republicans, Democrats, whatever. Currently the US seems to be doing pretty well for themselves but is screwing up the rest of the world (as usual). But anyway, IMHO, the sooner they get Monsieur (I know he's not French, but I just like the sound of that world) George Warmongering Bush off his, ahm, warmongering path the better. Off-Topic: I think young people still should care about politics, even if they are too young to vote. That's all I'll say on this, because if I say any more, I'll sound like one of those Electoral Commission ads *shudder*. Off-Topic: I think that Massacusetts (sp?) is quite sane based on what Ed said. Having no shootings and no Republicans sounds okay to me. Off-Topic: You're going to Canada, Vostok? Cool. You'll probably like it. Off-Topic/On-Topic/I'm-not-too-sure: Okay, so it's now called Invisible Non-Existent Commander. Right. Oxymoron it may be, but it'll do... Off-Topic/On-Topic/I'm-not-too-sure: A poll will be good. I'll go check if you've made it, and if you haven't, I'll make one myself. Never let it be said that Corran is not an opportunist (translation: thief). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted July 7, 2003 Author Share Posted July 7, 2003 Vostok: Come visit me in montreal!!! Corran: Let's avoid calling Bush whatever. I got smited the hell out of me the last time... Actually Canada has as many parties as rich asses(and some poor) can make. Here are a few stupid parties: -Green Party -Marijuana Party -Dead Rhinoceros Party -and coountless others... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sithmaster_821 Posted July 8, 2003 Share Posted July 8, 2003 We have a lot of parties. Its just that no one votes for them:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted July 8, 2003 Author Share Posted July 8, 2003 Really? I thought america had a two party system...anyway it isn't long since I got interested in politics... I'm sure people vote for those parties....some people...ok someone...ok their only representative... hey anyway here in canada we can get some independant guy in the parliament...he just sits in a dark corner away from everyone else...sad life... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sithmaster_821 Posted July 8, 2003 Share Posted July 8, 2003 We have independants as well. I think both the Senators from Vermont are independants (or a senator and a congressman). Other than that, the highest ranking third-party person is Jesse Ventura, Minneota governor and ex-prowrestler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorranSec Posted July 8, 2003 Share Posted July 8, 2003 We have lots of parties, and we can get independants in the House of Representatives (that's Parliament, like your Congress, Sith). We also have some little parties in the Senate, such as the One Nation party (remember the days of Pauline, Vostok?), the Greens, the Democrats (poor Natasha...) and so on. We have strange parties too, like the Nazi Party, the Communist Party, the Fishing Party and last but not least, the famed Hunting Party. And I think our most prominent Independant is Bob Katter, representing Mt Isa, who has really, really, really freakishly white hair. Hey Sith, on another topic, what do you think of Arnie running for governor of California? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sithmaster_821 Posted July 8, 2003 Share Posted July 8, 2003 We have weird parties too, like the Pan-Sexual Party. I think that its great that Arnold is running for Governor. I dont really mind moderate Republicans, especilly, socially liberal ones. I even told my parents that they should vote for McCain over Gore if he beat Bush in the primaries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Windu Posted July 8, 2003 Share Posted July 8, 2003 With the commanding thing, i guess the two approaches we can use are- 1. Inivisible Commander 2. Commanding commanders (ie. Vader in SWGB) The first approach gives greater 'realism' and involves the player more in the game, while i think the 2nd approach is more fun becuase you can play with major characters like Vader. Personal preferance i guess. Off topic - of course you should care about politics even if you cant vote. I can, but still at 17 (voting age is 18) i joined the Australian Labor Party (ALP), the major opposition party in Australia and have recently participated in the state conference for my state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sithmaster_821 Posted July 10, 2003 Share Posted July 10, 2003 Strange that the mods havent moved this thread to off-topic discussion... The again, when was the last time you saw Fergie or Leon here:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Vostok Posted July 11, 2003 Share Posted July 11, 2003 Yes, Australia has many parties but when it comes down to it we have a "two-party system", where one party is the goernment and the other is termed "Opposition". America has a similar system. While the Greens and Democrats aren't in power, they aren't the opposition either. That is a two party system. Am I the only person old enough to vote here? Oh and I think this forum is too small to attract unwanted attention from mods - kind of like Bespin and the Mining Guild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sithmaster_821 Posted July 11, 2003 Share Posted July 11, 2003 Thank you Vostok and your Star Wars allusion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorranSec Posted July 13, 2003 Share Posted July 13, 2003 Yes, we appear to have been deserted by all the minor-super-mods, although I suppose they're not really minor, they're just not DM. Hah. And I really don't think any mod would stick their nose into every single thread just to check if it's off-topic, especially considering that this one has an on-topic name. And Windu is still endeavouring to stay on-topic. But I doubt anyone cares... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AU_Skythe Posted July 13, 2003 Share Posted July 13, 2003 L.A should loosely base the scenarios around the movies... with things like EPISODE 1 you could have trade federation, doing the initial invasion, defeating some naboo forces and establishing a base to wipe out a naboo one.. this sort of thing which leads upto the grassy plains battle... before that the production of an army... i dunno lol EP 2..... presents a lot of opportunity The republic could land to establish a base.. EP 3 we'll never know EP 4.. er maybe L.A could develop a deathstar type terrain and the scenario could be inside the death star.. kind of like some of the starcraft missions EP 5.. battle of hoth.... the battle itself and the lead upto it EP 6... endor....this would be good to showcase the imperials establishing bases and eliminating ewok threats... well i just realised how hard it would be to base missions on actual SW movie scenarios lol... maybe thats why LA made all the alternate scenarios meh im gonna play the campaigns which i havent touched in over 6 months now.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AU_Skythe Posted July 13, 2003 Share Posted July 13, 2003 ok i just skimmed through the confederacy campaigns once more... they feel notoriously fake... although the third mission (perilious dealings) i think it is, is an interesting scenario, the others are quite fake. Why would the ever-peaceful republic want to develop the decimator?? They wouldnt want to develop the death star or anything similar so why a decimator? What happened in episode II was a full-fledged assualt on Geonoisis the main planet for the Confederacy. And the whole sev-rance thing was so fake, first of all as it states in the movies there are always 2 sith: a master and an apprentice (sidious and dooku;tyrannus), so why would there be a third sith... dosen't make much sense. Sev'rance looks too fake... a cartoon character like her does not look good in star wars universe etc etc.. I think they could of had the main clone war battle, They could of perhaps created an arena using some of their own created objects and added them into the scenario editor... or at least like the battle just after the jedi's landed in the genoisian arena... where the big control towers were being blown up...... even though it was in the republic scenario it looked and felt so fake... im sure that could of been implemented... and the aftermath where the remanants of the confederacy are trying to gather up a resistance .. this could of perhaps gone on for a few missions now i just skimmed through republics missions I dont see why Echuu would get involved in all of this We are keepers of the peace, not soldiers nor the jedi.. Once again the tatooine mission was ok... but i felt maybe LA could of shown tatooine in a more glorious form... it was a bit small ... It was interesting how they tied Echuu in with the story, although i didnt really like it much its good how they implemented connections... and at least Naat looked more real After going through ep II missions i think GB2 or whatever LA might call it should be 50/50 star wars missions/made up missions based around star wars ones. That way they could implement cutscenes from the movies, for example the scene seen in many trailers where the confederacy is fighting the republic ... they are only a few meters away from each other.. this could be a place to start.. the mission could start off with this battle and once its finished the player could take control pushing further into the confederacy base. Then when the mission is complete a cutscene of the republic beating confederacy forces from the movies could play..... I didnt particulary enjoy the Scenarios of Battlegrounds nor age of empires as much as i did Starcraft or Warcraft III... maybe the engine was bad for single player scenarios heh. Even though warcraft excels greatly with its ingame cutscenes i still think more is possible in a star wars RTS and i do hope some L.A official will at some stage read this thread and gather ideas... similar to that of what Big Huge Games would of done for rise of nations.. Where else to get info than from the fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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