Shok_Tinoktin Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 i disagree with your saying that we have come to a mutual definition of what balance is, but here goes none the less. Palpatine was very powerful, and used the dark side of the Force. That strong use of the dark side, was disrupting the will of the Force. Vader was also powerful enough to have this ill effect. When Vader left the dark side and killed Palpatine, there you go, Force balanced. btw, he did not betray the dark side, he returned to the light side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant_kettch Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 Originally posted by Shok_Tinoktin i disagree with your saying that we have come to a mutual definition of what balance is, but here goes none the less. Palpatine was very powerful, and used the dark side of the Force. That strong use of the dark side, was disrupting the will of the Force. Vader was also powerful enough to have this ill effect. When Vader left the dark side and killed Palpatine, there you go, Force balanced. btw, he did not betray the dark side, he returned to the light side. same thing... but how do we know the will of the force? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shok_Tinoktin Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 midichlorians tell us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant_kettch Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 whos to say the midichlorians wanted the galaxy the way it was under the rule of palpatine and vader, that that was how he brought balance, though it did not specify for how long, leaving it possible that luke then distrupted the balance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guybroom Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 if you are saying that mediclorians wanted the force to be bad, that is like saying that god wanted hitler to do what he did and we are in a state of termoil now because the nazis lost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant_kettch Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 Originally posted by guybroom if you are saying that mediclorians wanted the force to be bad, that is like saying that god wanted hitler to do what he did and we are in a state of termoil now because the nazis lost not at all what i am saying is that we doon't know if midichlorians are naturally light or dark, but we know God is naturally light. so we don't know what the midis really want, unless we ask does anyone here speak midichlorian? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shok_Tinoktin Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 I DO!!!!!!! Think about it this way, midichlorians communicate to people, and those who have many and are well trained, are capable of understanding what they are saying. Those people include the Jedi and the Sith. Now lets see, which of those is gonna listen. The very basis of right and wrong for the Jedi, is what the midichlorians tell them is right and wrong. So we do know that the midichlorians wanted the world to have peace and justice. Originally posted by Lieutenant_kettch whos to say the midichlorians wanted the galaxy the way it was under the rule of palpatine and vader no one! well, maybe you, but that wont convince anyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant_kettch Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 Originally posted by Shok_Tinoktin I DO!!!!!!! Think about it this way, midichlorians communicate to people, and those who have many and are well trained, are capable of understanding what they are saying. Those people include the Jedi and the Sith. Now lets see, which of those is gonna listen. The very basis of right and wrong for the Jedi, is what the midichlorians tell them is right and wrong. So we do know that the midichlorians wanted the world to have peace and justice. no one! well, maybe you, but that wont convince anyone true true, although i will say the galaxy was much more disciplined under the gentle touch of palpatine, as opposed to splintering under the tyrannic hand of the new republic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 Originally posted by Lieutenant_kettch the galaxy was much more disciplined under the gentle touch of palpatine, as opposed to splintering under the tyrannic hand of the new republic wow, I don't think a sentence could ever make less sense than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant_kettch Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 Originally posted by InsaneSith wow, I don't think a sentence could ever make less sense than that. you have to admit that the galaxy had more order under the empire than under the new republic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coupes. Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 So did Germany When Hitler was chancelor, compared to the after-war Germany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant_kettch Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 it is true, however, i do not believe in what hitler did, but i support palpatine and vader, though they could have done a better job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shok_Tinoktin Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 Originally posted by Lieutenant_kettch it is true, however, i do not believe in what hitler did, but i support palpatine and vader, though they could have done a better job whats the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant_kettch Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 palpatine and vader would let anyone live, so long as they didn't fight back, hitler oppressed certain peoples Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coupes. Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 Yippie ! Let's kill millions of people and enlsave millions of others ! Let's also get rid of the 'inferior' races so we can have a 'pure' Galaxy ! Let's also kill everyone who is in disagreement with us ! Good thinking buddy ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant_kettch Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 now now, they enslaved everyone, so they weren't being discriminitory about it, and they didn't oppress certain races Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shok_Tinoktin Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 Originally posted by Lieutenant_kettch palpatine and vader would let anyone live, so long as they didn't fight back, hitler oppressed certain peoples whats the difference between oppressing people and not letting them fight back? your not making much sense Originally posted by Lieutenant_kettch now now, they enslaved everyone, so they weren't being discriminitory about it, and they didn't oppress certain races how many non-human officers did u see on the side of the Empire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant_kettch Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 hitler would force certain peoples to death or slavelabor, whereas the empire would allow them to go about their normal lives so long as they didn't fight back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shok_Tinoktin Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 Originally posted by Lieutenant_kettch hitler would force certain peoples to death or slavelabor, whereas the empire would allow them to go about their normal lives so long as they didn't fight back what about Wookiees? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant_kettch Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 Originally posted by Shok_Tinoktin what about Wookiees? ooh, i hadn't thought about that, ok, so i disagree with that, but i would rather live under the empire than NR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shok_Tinoktin Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 Originally posted by Lieutenant_kettch ooh, i hadn't thought about that, ok, so i disagree with that, but i would rather live under the empire than NR You wouldn't if you were a wookiee! btw, the same thing I said about wookiees, goes for countless other species such as the Mon Calamari Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant_kettch Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 yeah, now, i don't agree with the hwhole enslaving thing, and i'm not a wookiee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted October 16, 2004 Share Posted October 16, 2004 Hmmm, the Empire didn't give Alderaan a chance to surrender, or to turn over any "Rebel Sympathizers." In fact, even after the supposed "deal" Tarkin made with Leia, they still blew the planet up! The Empire is controlled by a bunch of evil ********, either way you look at it. In all seroiusness, I too think that the Empire is "cool" but only because it's fiction! The Empire might have "law & order" but the fact that they can (and do) turn on their own citizens with deadly force on a whim is quite disturbing, and is the whole reason for the Rebellion in the first place. At least that's how Lucas wrote the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted October 16, 2004 Share Posted October 16, 2004 Originally posted by Lieutenant_kettch now now, they enslaved everyone, so they weren't being discriminitory about it, and they didn't oppress certain races they destroyed the jedi... that's pretty bigotous in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guybroom Posted October 17, 2004 Share Posted October 17, 2004 Put it this way: Jedi = Jews Imperials = Nazis How about that for simple? And when did the Empire enslave the Wookies? Do u mean in KOTOR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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