Guest jigga Posted October 3, 2001 Share Posted October 3, 2001 I agree that jedi should be strong but they might be abit too strong and cheap. I had a group of 3 jedi knights or however high the demo goes with all the upgrades, and I sent them to capture the monument from afew tanks maybe 3 to 4 and about 10 troopers and 2 other siths and i still had one jedi left afterwards. My point is why even build troopers when one jedi could whip them out. Maybe if the cost was higher you could not be able to just pump out jedi. I wasnt afraid to just send afew jedi into someones base with out a medic or back up because they are so cheapand strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hannibal Posted October 3, 2001 Share Posted October 3, 2001 Yeah isn't that great. Everyone else was building up armies. I just sent in 4 JKs to take the monument. Actually I hear the Bounty Hunters are a pretty good deterrent so next time tell your enemies to build bounty hunters instead of troopers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest InVirtue Posted October 3, 2001 Share Posted October 3, 2001 I agree with you on this The Jedi's are extremely tough, which they should be, but not at that price. They should a) Make it cost 5x as much b) put a limit on how many Jedis you can make. Its not cool getting a huge force of stormies and mechs dieing to 3 Jedi's =X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Drakeon Posted October 3, 2001 Share Posted October 3, 2001 I dont know how you guys die to Jedi.. i just have my at-pt's target the jedi and they die.. or my dark troopers.. or my bounty hunters.. all can take out jedi with relative ease.. My opponent once sent like 7 or 8 jedi.. But i still had most of my army left... I love my bounty hunters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wildthing Posted October 3, 2001 Share Posted October 3, 2001 Drakeon hit the nail on the head. The Jedi are strong, but GB does come with opposing units (bounty hunters, dark troopers ect) to counter them. I do agree somewhat with InVirtue though, the Jedi should be slightly more expensive to build then what they cost now. Thought everyone? --------------------------- I thought I saw a . . . Wild Thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jigga Posted October 3, 2001 Share Posted October 3, 2001 I not talking about bounty hunters because they are made to kill jedi I am refering to regular troops, you could have a army of 50 troopers attacking a base and a few jedi will slaugter them even the mechs cant take out jedi without effort. Being this strong is not wrong but jedi are so cheap. They stop being valuable and become expendable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young David Posted October 3, 2001 Share Posted October 3, 2001 You can't take out Jedi/Sith when they are attacking your unit (there melee fighters). Spread your units so that units who stand further away can take out the Jedi/Sith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Delta5 Posted October 3, 2001 Share Posted October 3, 2001 i fought vs a jedi guy to day i had a troop of 50 or so storms all i did was lure them up a hill with the guys on it with a scout and they only killed about 5 of my guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Drakeon Posted October 3, 2001 Share Posted October 3, 2001 simple: dont make an army of only troops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthfergie Posted October 3, 2001 Share Posted October 3, 2001 Jedi's are freaking strong, but if you have enough guns the Jedi are dead meat because they have to get to you first...And the lasers seek out Jedis first...unfortunatly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DarkTrooper Posted October 3, 2001 Share Posted October 3, 2001 this mornin i was checking out the tech trees for the civs and in tech lev 4 the stormies are repeaters so they have like a machine gun blaster which would be sweet. oh yeah and how can AT-STs be the adv. mech destroyer i thought it was an anti personel mech Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Duncan Posted October 3, 2001 Share Posted October 3, 2001 I don't remember the unit costs and I don't want to go look so just bear with me. In the SW universe it takes approximately 20 years (give or take a few) to train to become a Jedi Knight. To train a good soldier lets say that it takes a year. To me, that means that a Jedi Knight should be about 20 times more expensive than a regular old trooper. However, a Jedi should also be worth his weight in gold. A Jedi should easily be able to take out 20 troopers. Jedis are known the universe over as something that you just don't mess with and this should be reflected in the game. Remember the guy who jumped off of Jabba's Sail Barge once he realized what they were up against? The only thing that should be able to stand up to Jedi's one on one are Destroyer droids and Sith Lords. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Drakeon Posted October 3, 2001 Share Posted October 3, 2001 yea, well if they were that powerful.. someone gets just 2 or 3 of them and everyones dead... maybe lucas arts tried that.. and saw how unbalanced it was. oh and i dont see a jedi taking down 20 stormtroopers when they have a great distance advantage and are all firing at him and only him.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blamer1587246519 Posted October 3, 2001 Share Posted October 3, 2001 If you have a balanced army, Jedi shouldn't be any more of a problem than anything else. Strike Mechs kill Jedi. Bounty Hunters kill Jedi. Air units kill Jedi, albeit slowly. Other Jedi kill Jedi. Big masses of Troopers kill Jedi. Dark Troopers kill Jedi. I don't really see what the problem is. And as someone else posted, if you have the terrain advantage, that helps a ton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthTenor Posted October 4, 2001 Share Posted October 4, 2001 really don't understand this. Every unit has a counter. I had a played a game where one guy sent like 10-15 jedis towrad my base. I built a few bounty hunters (4-5) Luckily i had a power core next to my fortress. (Most important new part of GB by the way, very well thought out) Those hunters took out the; along with a couple mechs, the entire group of jedis. Lets face it everyone want s to make a one unit army such as jedis. They think that jedis are unstoppable but they aren't. I still can't understand how B hunters can stop jedi. Still it is a much needed unit for those purposes. I understand that they can detect cloaked units. Though those abilitiies aren't available till tech 4. I guess maybe the difficulty would be in tech 2 when jedi are already available. It's surprising to see that you could allow them to get so many nova crystals to make that many jedi. Ever hear of COMBINED ARMS?!?!?! Great game so far. too bad we can't try out all the civs. OH well we must have room for the release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tie Guy Posted October 4, 2001 Share Posted October 4, 2001 Well, i for one find my self using more and more bounty hunters, and less and less jedi. Bounty hunters are clearly the superior unit, and they cost less too, so why not just make them. Then, you can easily take out their jedi, and their mech, and their troops, and....well, you get the idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Olsmo Lahun Posted October 4, 2001 Share Posted October 4, 2001 Yes they are REAL good and they are CHEAP! I preffer air units but jedi are real good. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Olsmo Lahun Posted October 4, 2001 Share Posted October 4, 2001 i forgot in my last post that bounty hunters can kill jedi easy but jedi are good aganste every thing else:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Drakeon Posted October 4, 2001 Share Posted October 4, 2001 there not really good against sea units or air units Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lando6 Posted October 4, 2001 Share Posted October 4, 2001 I am a fan of the Jedi and I use them often during attacks on my enemies. I think that the Jedi is a well balanced unit and should not be nerfed(taken down a notch or two) because people forget to build bounty hunters. Jedi were the bad a$$es of Star Wars. Why do you think most will think twice before trying to mix it up with one? You can deal with Jedi with hunters or air units. Hunters are on the expensive side but I normally keep most of my original set throughout the game. I find that when I go against a commander who also sees the usefulness of the Jedi, the winner isn’t the person who just clicks a lot but the one who knows when to withdraw, fake a withdraw, attack, counter attack, and disapear into the woods to fight another day.You also have to remember that Jedi are hard on your nova supply, dont believe me? Do what I did this morning in a Non Monument game and build 45-55 Jedi(you have to have collected alot of nova). Remember the demo has a pop limit of 75 in a game with 200 units it would be harder to buy 50 jedi and not feel a bit of a sting the the nova area, this includes trade.We still havent talked about the upgrade cost at tech level 4 for a Jedi, it wont be cheap. Long story short build a few hunters and manage them well. P.S. About those hunters, although they are nice shots think of them as guerilla warriors NOT main fighting force men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kyrosmagi Posted October 4, 2001 Share Posted October 4, 2001 my 2 cents... because normal units are so cheap (food and carbon), i would think that they would be the all around best unit. i think of the times in aok where champs had to make up much of your fighting force. i think that they r strong enough to do it here. but with the jedi i think of them not as main attackers but defenders. if your opponent has forward builders they will fall easily to jedi, and when they can cloak it will be even better. i would say that it would be a mistake to use them for attacking( and i wonder if they intended it that way, considering that jedi rnt supposed 2 be agressive, but defensive : ) ) , also you have 2 combine them with other units, otherwise they can be too easily countered(1ce again, go back 2 aok, u really want to attack with units that can cover each other(i really like a few and archers 2 take out the pikes with some maa as well if u can)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kyrosmagi Posted October 4, 2001 Share Posted October 4, 2001 oh yeah, i think that bc they cost so much nova they r harder on the eco than normal troops(at least when you have 2 make enough to attack, otherwise you should have enough nova for a few)(u still need some on nova) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kuma Posted October 5, 2001 Share Posted October 5, 2001 Don't forget that in the game you will find different levels of jedi (regular jedi's and more costly Master Jedis only available at level 4). So i have no prob with bounty hunters taking out regular jedi's easily. Jedi's are not too strong for their price you have to combine them with other units if you hope to win the war, bounty hunters are a cheap counter. If your opponent forgets to train bounty hunters and bring them along, like if he forgets to build anti-air turrets well.... too bad for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirathos Posted October 5, 2001 Share Posted October 5, 2001 Look when i assemble a strike force to attack someones baseI do the following 15 pummels,15 at-pt's, 10 bounty hunters and 10 jedi, and 1-3 hvy anti air units Thats a well balanced force and will take down any threat from personel to hvy tanks. but thats a late in the game strike force seeing as that i only have rom for 15-20 workers left but in any thing i do i always take 2-3 bounty hunters along Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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