TK-8252 Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10692635/ http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,180409,00.html It seems like now the entire republican party is either indicted or under investigation. Discuss... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagobahn Eagle Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 No duh. Not much to discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Andrew Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 It seems like now the entire republican party is either indicted or under investigation.Not just some Republicans, but some Democrats too: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/6420AP_Keeping_the_Money.html Personally, I hope whoever doesn't give the money back gets punished. And even those who do give the $$$ back should be penalized, no matter who they are. I hope this scandal rids the country of the corruption that infests all parties and levels of government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StaffSaberist Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 I don't care if criminals are right or left. They deserve what they get because they did it. This is hardly political. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowTemplar Posted January 7, 2006 Share Posted January 7, 2006 Yes and no. The problem is deeper than a superficial molehunt. The American - uh - political system needs to do some major housecleaning vis-a-vis its lobbyists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toms Posted January 7, 2006 Share Posted January 7, 2006 The problem is that the constitution permits people access to lobby their representatives. As it should. The problem with a written constitution is that its always going to be pretty vague, and therefore always open to exploitation by people. A lot of the papers here are implying this may lead to a cleanup of the mess that is washington lobbying, but scandals ike this happen every so often, and nothing ever chages long term. I'm not sure there is any way you can allow "the people" to lobby their representatives, but somehow shut out professional lobbiers. Though f course the chance of a everyday joe being able to get anyone's attention with 40,000 proffessionals in their way is miniscule. The real problem is the insane cost of US elections. Doesn't running a campaign cost around 20m? Meaning that while in office a politician has to raise around $9000 a day to fund his next campaign? With that kind of system corruption is going to have to be indemic... even though politicians with good intentions are going to have to set asside their principles if they want to stay in office. Not sure i can think of any obvious solutions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StaffSaberist Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 The entire political system is shot through. We in the USA have endured the "least of 11 evils" vote in 1996, 2000, and 2004. You're right, ShadowTemplar. If it wasn't for the fact that it's impossible, I'd be petitioning for a complete re-do of the government, from the President to the House of Reps, to the Supreme Court, and our Congress. The problem is that you need important people to support it, and no politician will openly support losing his job. That's just common sense that even politicians have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rccar328 Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 Not necessarily...what we need is a news media willing to report all of the facts so that the people will see who our politicians really are and vote them out of office. That MSNBC article in the first post is a bunch of liberal biased crap, imo...it mentions several Republicans, but leaves the Dems feeling squeaky clean, which is as far from the truth as I am from Antarctica. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted January 14, 2006 Author Share Posted January 14, 2006 That MSNBC article in the first post is a bunch of liberal biased crap, imo...it mentions several Republicans, but leaves the Dems feeling squeaky clean, which is as far from the truth as I am from Antarctica. I added an alternative link to my post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowTemplar Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 That MSNBC article in the first post is a bunch of liberal biased crap, imo...it mentions several Republicans, but leaves the Dems feeling squeaky clean, which is as far from the truth as I am from Antarctica. Not squeaky clean, perhaps. But certainly far less compromised. Naturally the republican damage control affizirs are trying to pull a Manpower. Can't do anything else, really. But if you buy into the notion that Abramoff wasn't chiefly a Republican money laundrerer, I've got some Enron shares I want to sell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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