Commander 598 Posted May 16, 2001 Share Posted May 16, 2001 As you can see the previous battle with the Altron had left it damaged.Most likely in a signifigant area. ------------------ Official Forum Nuclear Terrorist & God of Insanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR2000Z Posted May 16, 2001 Share Posted May 16, 2001 Dam Wufei. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nute Gunray Posted May 16, 2001 Share Posted May 16, 2001 It wasn't Altron, the Shenlong Upgrade Custom is called Nataku. Shenlong-->Altron-->Nataku I assumed the damage was from the hard impact that WZ made on the ocean. The much larger wings made the impact have much more shock to it than when Wing fell into the ocean and wasn't damaged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Odin Posted May 16, 2001 Share Posted May 16, 2001 I think they just wanted to add some suspences ------------------ "Dulce bellum inexpertis." (Sweet is war to those who have never experinced it.) Roman Proverb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rune Haako Posted May 16, 2001 Share Posted May 16, 2001 If you notice, Wufei calss the Shenlong "Nataku" frequently. In fact, I can't recall one instance when Wufei says "Shenlong." I'm pretty sure it's called the Altron Custom (or something similar). ------------------ Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day; teach a man to fish and he gets hit by a nuclear sub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR2000Z Posted May 16, 2001 Share Posted May 16, 2001 He just calls both of his Gundams Nataku. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander 598 Posted May 17, 2001 Author Share Posted May 17, 2001 Originally posted by Nute Gunray: It wasn't Altron, the Shenlong Upgrade Custom is called Nataku. Shenlong-->Altron-->Nataku I assumed the damage was from the hard impact that WZ made on the ocean. The much larger wings made the impact have much more shock to it than when Wing fell into the ocean and wasn't damaged. I saw the same spark before he plunged into the water.I just can't find a pic. ------------------ Official Forum Nuclear Terrorist & God of Insanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taarkin Posted May 17, 2001 Share Posted May 17, 2001 I think the blue stuff in that pic is just "rocket flame", like the blue stuff that comes out of the engines of any spacegoing MS(Although the WZ did get slashed across the waist before it crashed in the ocean. And before that, it got its shoulder damaged and it eventualy popped off when it entered the atmosphere) ------------------ Was I supposed to eat the heads too? 'Cause I took nooo prisioners! Once again, evil is defeated through the use of decorative agricultural technology! Official forum Psychic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR2000Z Posted May 17, 2001 Share Posted May 17, 2001 Wing Zero doesnt run on vernea(sp?) engines so it cant be the rocket fuel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nute Gunray Posted May 17, 2001 Share Posted May 17, 2001 The BOX for the 1/100th EW variation is labeled GUNDAM NATAKU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taarkin Posted May 17, 2001 Share Posted May 17, 2001 Originally posted by JR2000Z: Wing Zero doesnt run on vernea(sp?) engines so it cant be the rocket fuel. Then how does it fly? And those blue things can't be sparks; Wufei hit him in the front, but the blue things are coming from the back(right exactly where the engines are) ------------------ Was I supposed to eat the heads too? 'Cause I took nooo prisioners! Once again, evil is defeated through the use of decorative agricultural technology! Official forum Psychic [This message has been edited by Taarkin (edited May 16, 2001).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nute Gunray Posted May 17, 2001 Share Posted May 17, 2001 Vernier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Beastie Posted May 17, 2001 Share Posted May 17, 2001 The official codenames: Shenlong -> Altron -> Altron Custom Wufei, however, named his Gundam Nataku (He refered to Altron as "the new Nataku"). I'm not sure, but I think Nataku means something in Chinese; thus his choice. And the real reason WZ was destroyed was because it was damaged when Heero once again demonstrated his utter inability to land without going ker-sploosh. ------------------ "Do fish-people eat fish, or would that be like humans eating monkeys?" "Humans do eat monkeys. In fact humans eat other humans. . . Y'know, as a species, we are really quite unpleasant." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Nine Posted May 17, 2001 Share Posted May 17, 2001 I had a debate with members of an anime message board on the cause of WZ's demise in EW. We came to the conclusion that due to the intense battle that Heero had with Wufei in space, then reentry, then atmospheric battle was a bit too much for WZ to take. The reason why Wufei was able to best Heero was because he had more of a reason to fight and Heero didn't have the Zero System engaged. Notice that every time (except for the first) that Heero fired the TBR, WZ disintegrated more and more. This was due to the fact that the TBR's recoil was so powerful it must've overloaded WZ's damaged circuitry, causing the MS to fall apart. Then you have to consider the symbolic purpose of WZ's demise. It is the end of the Gundams effectively. They were created to attain peace, but they did so through violent ways. So it is poignant that Zero be destroyed so violently when peace is finally attained. A few clarifications are in order. The Gundams in EW are the same MS from the series. According to EW, they always looked like that. So therefore Wufei's Gundam would still be called Altron and it is. No Custom moniker. That was placed on the boxes by Bandai to differentiate between the TV series kits and the EW versions. Don't put so much trust in those model kits. Secondly, verniers are used for manuevering, not propulsion. But since in EW, WZ "flaps" its wings in space, I suppose that it did uses them for some sort of propulsion power. But I still think that the main propulsion comes from the backpack unit. A point to ponder: where the hell did WZ's TBR come from. It wasn't there when Heero retrieved it in space and it was still missing when he was fighting Wufei, then it mysteriously shows up when he's over Brussels. What gives? ------------------ Love people. Use things. Not vice versa. XWA's Resident Finance Manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR2000Z Posted May 17, 2001 Share Posted May 17, 2001 I thought it was destroyed because Heero wasnt paying attencion or that he wanted to teach WuFei a lesson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nute Gunray Posted May 18, 2001 Share Posted May 18, 2001 The Gundam Demonhawk could take them all. That's because it exists in the material world, to an extent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold leader Posted May 18, 2001 Share Posted May 18, 2001 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Nine Posted May 18, 2001 Share Posted May 18, 2001 Shaddup you face, Gl. Just 'cause you don't get it doesnt mean you have to be mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR2000Z Posted May 18, 2001 Share Posted May 18, 2001 Thats gotta be the most colorful pic of SPAM that Ive seen. Anyway, WZ dosnt have vernei or any kind of engines because it relies on its wings to move it. Vernei is only present in the Talgeese series and the old WZ model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nute Gunray Posted May 18, 2001 Share Posted May 18, 2001 Originally posted by Rogue Nine: A few clarifications are in order. The Gundams in EW are the same MS from the series. According to EW, they always looked like that. So therefore Wufei's Gundam would still be called Altron and it is. No Custom moniker. That was placed on the boxes by Bandai to differentiate between the TV series kits and the EW versions. Don't put so much trust in those model kits. Actually, that supports the names on the models. You need to be able to tell them apart in conversation and since they're all the 'same' then they're ALL essentially Shenlong (in the case of Wufei's gundam). Saying Shenlong references the original, Altron means Shenlong with another dragon and different colors and Nataku means the EW one (as Nataku is shorter to say than Altron Custom). I actually refuse to believe that the Customs ever existed (if you remember my post months ago about how I believe the EW Gundams' differences are based on embellishments by the storyteller). If, for example, the Deathscythe Hell that fought against Libra was the EW D-Hell, there'd be things that happened differently because the EW D-Hell doesn't have a buster shield OR the rib jammers for the Gundam scientists to hold onto. And Heavyarms custom has twice as much weaponry. THAT would make for some parts of the war to have been very different. Plus Heavyarms custom seems to have the abilities of a ballerina on muscle relaxers. HOW THE HELL DID IT DO THAT JUMP AND SPIN THING THAT TROWA DOES? IT'S A GIANT ROBOT... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rune Haako Posted May 19, 2001 Share Posted May 19, 2001 i think it has something to do with Trowa's acrobatic skills, even though the slow-ass Heavyarms could never do anything like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taarkin Posted May 19, 2001 Share Posted May 19, 2001 Originally posted by JR2000Z: Anyway, WZ dosnt have vernei or any kind of engines because it relies on its wings to move it. Vernei is only present in the Talgeese series and the old WZ model. All the Gundams had verniers. 'Sides, you can't make a 40something foot tall robot fly by flapping wings(and certainly not in space!) ------------------ Was I supposed to eat the heads too? 'Cause I took nooo prisioners! Once again, evil is defeated through the use of decorative agricultural technology! Official forum Psychic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR2000Z Posted May 19, 2001 Share Posted May 19, 2001 I know what you mean. But its seems weird that it doesnt show its engines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold leader Posted May 19, 2001 Share Posted May 19, 2001 Originally posted by Rogue Nine: Shaddup you face, Gl. Just 'cause you don't get it doesnt mean you have to be mean. Point is, they don't broadcast that Gundam Wing stuff over here. And since you all are paying so much attention to it, it's gotta be really cool I suppose, so I guess I'm just frustrated. (as usual) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR2000Z Posted May 19, 2001 Share Posted May 19, 2001 It isnt perfect. It talks about boring peace talks throught the whole thing. Who cares about peace, I want to see action! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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