Guest Redwing Posted September 21, 2001 Share Posted September 21, 2001 Originally posted by Zoom Rabbit: If there are any other cross-religious mystics in the house, they might appreciate my sense of humor in using the three liberations of the Buddha (reversed, of course) to explain trinity. Or, it might just go over everyone's heads. Redwing: Imladil, trying to explain the Trinity isn't going to get anybody anywhere. God is not limited by our concepts like separation or time. He created those for our universe. Who said anything about time? As for the concept of separation (and self) being created for our benefit...OF COURSE! I'm saying that this is how he did that. Those first three extensions of His reality into triune form are the three we're all talking about, though I realize that understanding the connection is tenuous. Remember, we are talking about ordinal concepts at our universe's creation, and details simply didn't exist yet... And no, no one can really understand God from God's point of view. Trinty is just our best understanding from our point of view. I realize that my explanation is totally not standard; non-standard explanations are my favorite tool for debate, which confounds those who aren't used to 'thinking outside the box.' Hee-hee-hee... (More) Zoomie, you copy/paster ------------------ At last we will reveal ourselves to the Jedi. At last we will have revenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Zoom Rabbit Posted September 21, 2001 Share Posted September 21, 2001 At least it isn't as lazy as just posting a link... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest garyah99 Posted September 21, 2001 Share Posted September 21, 2001 Your ideas are very intersting Zoomie, but they have no basis in scripture. Right from the very first chapter in Genesis, God refers to himself in the plural sense. In the original manusripts the word used in these instances is Elohim. Which is a plural referral to one's self (and NO it doesn't mean the royal we, as in "we ar not amused"). When the prophets or Jesus refer to the person of God the Father in the singular sense, the word used is yahweh or sometimes yhwh; simply removing the vowels. It's not just catholic teachings that man cannot comprehend the concepts of ONE God existing in THREE persons. It's not an abstract, or proverbial teaching, it is a very real and concrete theological teaching. Many people misunderstand several Biblical facts, such as it was Jesus who created the Universe, not God the Father, (refer to the gospel of John). I don't have my Bible in front of me right now but I'll look it up later if anyone wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyan Farlander Posted September 21, 2001 Share Posted September 21, 2001 That reminded me a little of Hawking's A Brief History of Time, for some reason. Nevertheless, there are some things we just cannot fully understand now, and no matter how many times we restate them, we'll come no closer to the actual understanding we seek. And that's a big problem for us humans - we like to understand everything [This message has been edited by Keyan Farlander (edited September 21, 2001).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Conor Posted September 21, 2001 Share Posted September 21, 2001 I am going to have to read other religions' texts. I should be much more educated than I am at nearly 21. I am going to have to ask you for a list Zoom. On another note, from what garyah said, I believe God the Father created the universe (reality) through the Son (Jesus) and by the power of the Holy Spirit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hannibal Posted September 23, 2001 Share Posted September 23, 2001 ...and that chump Lucifer is just along for the ride, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Odin Posted September 23, 2001 Share Posted September 23, 2001 Originally posted by Conor: garyah said, I believe God the Father created the universe (reality) through the Son (Jesus) and by the power of the Holy Spirit. I have combined the Big Bang and with God. It is very simple, God created the big ban...and the rest is history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Conor Posted September 23, 2001 Share Posted September 23, 2001 I believe that as well. "Let there be light..." is a perfect description of an exploding singularity. Lucifer would have had no part in creation, being a creation himself. Some of the choirs of angels govern areas of the universe, but none could have been involved in the actual creation. I am sure it was far too complicated even for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Beastie Posted September 23, 2001 Share Posted September 23, 2001 Originally posted by Admiral: God created the big ban... God is a Moderator!?! ------------------ "Don't f_ck with the Jedi Master, son." --Mark Hamill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taarkin Posted September 26, 2001 Share Posted September 26, 2001 Or are moderators God? ------------------ You're supposed to be dumpster-diving for ham scraps, you six-piece chicken McNobody! Official forum Psychic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edlib Posted September 26, 2001 Share Posted September 26, 2001 Don't give them any ideas! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Beastie Posted September 27, 2001 Share Posted September 27, 2001 Only slightly OT: http://www.theonion.com/onion3734/god_clarifies_dont_kill.html and http://www.theonion.com/onion3734/hijackers_surprised.html From The Onion. ------------------ "Don't f_ck with the Jedi Master, son." --Mark Hamill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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