ZeroXcape Posted December 4, 2001 Share Posted December 4, 2001 Originally posted by TherosB Which is better Gforce 3 or Radeon 8500 ....I heard that the Radeons are getting better....which would you get? General Theros That's all still up in the air really. Radeon's are cheaper and theoretically have more power... but nVidia makes some killer drivers for their GF3's. Over Thanksgiving, Best Buy was selling Geforce 3 Ti200's for $99 after rebate. Talk about a pretty sweet buy for under $100 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madrebel Posted December 4, 2001 Share Posted December 4, 2001 Originally posted by Millions o' Monkeys damn right there. And whats this with geforce 4. Im sure it will be out eventually but not for at leasr 6 months. Or am i wrong ??? if they stay with their product cycle, expect the geforce 4 in lat feb to early april 2002. Nvidia cycle goes like this first quarter new product (geforce, geforce2, geforce3, geforce4) 3rd quarter upgrade exsisting line(geforce256(ddr), geforce2MX/ultra, geforce3 ti 200/500) so every year they release a brand new product followd 6 months later by an upgrade to that products line. From what iver read and heard they are right on track for the geforce4. About time too my geforce3 is getting slow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emon1 Posted December 4, 2001 Share Posted December 4, 2001 1. Unreal II has some amazing outdoor areas, as well as SWG. 2. I wonder if the GeForce 4 will simply be a really fast, new, 256-bit GPU, or a next-generation 512-bit GPU? 'Cause a 512-bit GPU would totally knock off ALL competition. 3. Sure, the Radeon 8500 could theoretically have more power than the GeForce 3 Ti 500. You can say the Voodoo 2 *theoretically* has more power than the GeForce 3 Ti 500, but it simply has nothing near it. ATI cheated on their benchmarks by putting performance cheats in their drivers. I wouldn't count on anything from them having potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digl Posted December 4, 2001 Share Posted December 4, 2001 I doubt is going to be a 512-bit GPU, all the rumors point to something similar to the Xbox chip that was a really bad move by them They lost much credibility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwup Posted December 4, 2001 Share Posted December 4, 2001 ...the xbox chip is Geforce 2 I thought? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digl Posted December 4, 2001 Share Posted December 4, 2001 then Im talking nonsense Im not pretty sure what I read or where I read it Ill check Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madrebel Posted December 4, 2001 Share Posted December 4, 2001 Originally posted by Emon1 1. Unreal II has some amazing outdoor areas, as well as SWG. 2. I wonder if the GeForce 4 will simply be a really fast, new, 256-bit GPU, or a next-generation 512-bit GPU? 'Cause a 512-bit GPU would totally knock off ALL competition. 3. Sure, the Radeon 8500 could theoretically have more power than the GeForce 3 Ti 500. You can say the Voodoo 2 *theoretically* has more power than the GeForce 3 Ti 500, but it simply has nothing near it. ATI cheated on their benchmarks by putting performance cheats in their drivers. I wouldn't count on anything from them having potential. well...even now the geforce3 isnt 256bit. it has 4 64 bit memory paths in a cross-bar switched architecture. expect the same thing out of the geforce4 only the memory will be alot fast...from what they are saying it will run in the 600-650 mhz range. Add to that the addition of 2 more pixel pipes, a die shrink(.13 micron) and a rumored speed increase (300ish mhz) and you have one screamin fast board. 300 mhz x 6 pixel pipes = 1800 smoking fast right now its 250 x 4 pixel pipes = 1000 i forget if is gigatexels or megatexels:fett: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ed_silvergun Posted December 4, 2001 Share Posted December 4, 2001 Originally posted by CaptainRAVE With my old 32Mb Geforce 2 and a PII 233Mhz I could run Quake III best graphics fine. Different people have different thresholds as to what they classify as "fine". I classify "fine" in 3d gaming terms as 60fps +. I don't consider anything running at below 30fps to actually be running at all. I somehow doubt a P233 could run Q3 in high detail at 60fps. After all, if memory serves me correctly, a P233 was the minimum requirement for Q3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwup Posted December 4, 2001 Share Posted December 4, 2001 my PII 400 128(at the time) Mb RAM w/ a Voodoo3 could run quake 3, w/ full everything at 1024x768. Avg FPS = 62 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madrebel Posted December 4, 2001 Share Posted December 4, 2001 Originally posted by Kwup my PII 400 128(at the time) Mb RAM w/ a Voodoo3 could run quake 3, w/ full everything at 1024x768. Avg FPS = 62 *me raises the BS flag* i just cant buy that man.....maybe alone looking at a wall. But not in a full server. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwup Posted December 4, 2001 Share Posted December 4, 2001 ever hear of WickedGL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madrebel Posted December 4, 2001 Share Posted December 4, 2001 Originally posted by Kwup ever hear of WickedGL? yes but it still cant turn water into wine.....maybe pepsi to coke, but not water to wine. not on that cpu not on that gfx card its just not happening. for instance reference this old article http://firingsquad.gamers.com/hardware/q3videoroundup/page8.asp thats an athlon 750 and a voodoo3 3000 agp. On normal settings the v3 cant even crack 50fps at 1024x768...an athlon 750! granted that isnt wickedGL but that is 350mhz more cpu power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwup Posted December 5, 2001 Share Posted December 5, 2001 WickedGL made my Tribes 2 to go from 5-10 fps to 30-40 It = the god of Voodoo's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madrebel Posted December 5, 2001 Share Posted December 5, 2001 Originally posted by Kwup WickedGL made my Tribes 2 to go from 5-10 fps to 30-40 It = the god of Voodoo's i understand wicked makes good drivers. But not q3 average of 60fps, in a full server, with a p2-400. just not enough power for that man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwup Posted December 5, 2001 Share Posted December 5, 2001 oh yeah? well take this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madrebel Posted December 5, 2001 Share Posted December 5, 2001 Originally posted by Kwup oh yeah? well take this! i see your and raise you a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwup Posted December 5, 2001 Share Posted December 5, 2001 you wanna get violent with me!? well take this! and that! and even a so there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madrebel Posted December 5, 2001 Share Posted December 5, 2001 hehe dont make me break out the whippin stick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emon1 Posted December 5, 2001 Share Posted December 5, 2001 Yes... 64bit times 4 = 256 The XBox has that wierd nForce thing, which I think is similar to a GeForce 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aferens Posted December 5, 2001 Share Posted December 5, 2001 Originally posted by Emon1 The XBox has that wierd nForce thing, which I think is similar to a GeForce 3 Uhh, that would be a GF2 MX. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madrebel Posted December 5, 2001 Share Posted December 5, 2001 Originally posted by aferens Uhh, that would be a GF2 MX. xbox has a , according to them that is, "highly moddified" geforce3. Its supposed to be very specialized for the console specifically. Supposedley more powerful than the PC geforce3 *shrug* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwup Posted December 6, 2001 Share Posted December 6, 2001 Geforce3 = $300 (200 if they get a real good deal from Nvidia) Xbox = $300 (includes a lot of plastic, controller, the cables, and all the electrical fan etc...) I seriously doubt Xbox has a GF3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digl Posted December 6, 2001 Share Posted December 6, 2001 It could be Supposedly M$ is loosing money now with the XBOX, but they should earn billions in the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madrebel Posted December 6, 2001 Share Posted December 6, 2001 Originally posted by Kwup Geforce3 = $300 (200 if they get a real good deal from Nvidia) Xbox = $300 (includes a lot of plastic, controller, the cables, and all the electrical fan etc...) I seriously doubt Xbox has a GF3 i promise you its a gf3. halo as an example takes advantage of the vertex/pixel shaders that only the gf3 series has. also, a motherboard + 64 megs ddr = about 100 dollars. a p3 733mhhz is about 80. so....what else? 1 controller...costs about 10 bucks to make. the posh looking xbox....box costs at least 20 probably morelike 50dollars per unit. a dvd drive is what....80 bucks? so without the graphics care we have 100 motherboard and memory 80 for the p3 10 bux for the controller 50 lets say for the plastic box 80 for the dvd drive 320 thats 320 so far.....thats not counting the gf3 plus the shipping costs and other odds n ends. M$ is losing big money per console right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executor32 Posted December 6, 2001 Share Posted December 6, 2001 Originally posted by Kwup you wanna get violent with me!? well take this! and that! and even a so there Oh yeah? Take this! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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