Sick of hearing about TA? Join the club.

[Guest crd_polaris]

m tired of hearing about TA. If you like TA go play TA. This is a forum for SWGB and the topic is SWGB! If you want to go talk about TA maybe try a TA board or the Offtopic board on this forum.

 

You can see TA makes everyone in this forum argue, and I think thats the reason the person, or people post about TA. I guess its true that the "Fault finder will find fault in paradice". You have the right to like TA, and we have the right to like or dislike it. You can't force your beliefs about TA onto us. You are indirectly insulting SWGB by saying SWGB should have been made by the makers of TA. Your no better then people who go on a forum and intitle their posts "SWBG sucks". One time was more then enough, but then you go and post another topic about how TA people should have made the game.

 

I tolerated a few off topic posts about "TA" for the sake of being polite. Ok, I don't care about what "TA" can do for us, the features, ect.. I just want to talk about SWGB. If you don't like SWGB you can do everyone a favor and find a different forum. You make me feel like your trying to push a religion onto me. LOL

[Clefo]

Yeah, why are there TA posts in the Galactic Discussion forum?

 

So someone dosen't like TA? BIG F'ING WHOOP!

[TheMightyDagger]

what might TA be??

 

Total Aninalation (sp?) -darthfergie

[Influenza]

A couple things. First, no one forces you to read any topics you don't want to. If you're annoyed at the conversations you don't enjoy, then ignore them. It's that simple.

 

Now, you accuse the people who like TA of inciting argument? That's a little rude. The argument started when some geniuses decided to flame TA without any support for their claims. I came in and gave a complete breakdown of why every single claim they brought up was either wrong or uninformed. But people insisted on repeating the same old bull**** without even reading what I posted, and that's when things got ugly.

 

The original topic was a reasonable question: should the team that produced Total Annihilation, which without-a-doubt advanced the RTS genre by a great deal, have produced SWGB? The original author likely thought that the team could make similar advances with SWGB as they did with TA. Why is that insulting? The author only wanted the best for the game. You should be praising him. The topic evolved into a discussion/debate over the merits of different game engines, including but not limited to TA, StarCraft, Red Alert II, AoK, Ground Control, and Earth 2150. And that's where it died, mainly because no one could answer my challenges or post anything that safire and I couldn't refute.

 

It's true you have a right to dislike TA. But as Warlord Zsinj pointed out, if you have opinions but the reasons for them are wrong or misinformed, then you should keep those opinions to yourself. People who realize the fallacy of your claims are likely to tear you apart for posting them. Which we have been doing.

 

I'm not sure where the latest topic about Total Annihilation came from. I have no idea what PhantomMenace was trying to prove, other than the fact that he's bothered by the other topic. So yell at him, not at the supporters of TA.

[Jagund]

Hey guys debate/discussion/argument is good for the game. If somebody wants to rubish SWGB or talk at length about how other game engines could do a better job, fine! As Influenza says the points made in favour of SWGB were not replied to therefore the debate is won.

 

LA have done a good job with the Ensemble Engine. There are a few point/issues which could have been done better/differently but on the whole they introduced enough new features to make the game challenging. Its very playable and fun. What else is there!

[Influenza]

Actually Jagund, it was the points in favor of Total Annihilation, not SWGB, that went uncontested...

 

But I do agree with everything else you said.

[Warlord Zsinj]

lol, wrecked jagund.

 

Now, someone started one topic on whether or not SWGB should have been made by the creators of TA. This is a fair question, given that many people like TA alot, and many people don't really like the limitations that the AOE engine has placed on the Star Wars universe.

 

Now, some people were ignorant enough to bag our game, and not intellectually (I doubt that many people can put up some real arguments against TA), but downright primitive drivel.

Just as you hate those people who say 'SWGB sucks', We (TA players) hate those that say 'TA sucks'. We fully back up our favourite game, as you would back up SWGB.

Then some intelligent people came in, and said why they disliked TA, and we cleared it all up for them.

Then began some intelligent discussion about different engines, and which one is better. Nothing bad, nothing that shouldn't be there. If you do not like some intelligent discussion, then maybe you should stick to some of the other threads on this board (no, I am not taking a cheap shot at the LucasForums, nor am I saying that all of the threads on this board are bad, but some are not very intellectual).

 

Once that thread began to die off, and those who had argued had either been proved wrong or had decided not to push it, we (TA fans) left it alone. We don't want trouble. We realise this is not a TA board, and I do visit my own forums at http://www.annihilated.com, http://www.tauniverse.com, http://www.planetannihilation.com and http://www.ina-community.com

(yes I frequent all of those boards ).

Yet, when PhantomMenace started up that new thread, he did not do so to pose a question. He did not do so to continue the intelligent discussion from the other thread, he simply did so to put down Total Annihlation. Now, to make a thread simply to bag another game, when there is another thread already there, where opinions can be stated, in a more intellectual form (maybe he needed a thread that have a discussion for those less intellectually inclined...).

Now, as a fan of Total Annihilation, I simply cannot let that slide.

 

We do not seek to convert you, we simply wan't to have intelligent discussions, without those who wish to bag our game.

[Guest PhantomMenace]

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The argument started when some geniuses decided to flame TA without any support for their claims.

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Influenza, I thought that TA post started by some guy who didnt like the feel of SWGB and wanted everyone to talk about how cool it would have been to have it made by Cavedog instead of Lucasarts! Yet more proof this guy will bend reality to prove...err back his point.

[Guest PhantomMenace]

The funny thing about all this is that whether that topic creates 1 post or 1,000,000; i still don't think Lucasarts is gonna cancel impending shipments, and hand the project over to the producers of TA, nor do i think Lucas entertainment is gonna revoke Lucasarts liscense of the game and give the rights to the producers of TA! I don't know, call me crazy! I mean i know its a stab in the dark and all, but i dont see it happening, but then that's just me you know i could be wrong.

[Crazy_dog no.3]

Hey guys lets just stop this whole TA vs AoK/SWGB crap. I dunno what TA is like, but I heard it's good. AoK is great too.

 

 

It's all very well having a discussion about TA/AoK. But then some bastard started a flame war by saying they hated TA. Then a TA player signed up, put up a SW convention for TA (Which is actually quite good) and countered by sticking up a banner in thier sig about TA:SW doing justice to the movies.

 

 

 

 

However, the point is LA choose the AOK/TC engine for a good reason and there's nothing u can do about it.

 

 

Anyways they are SW conventions for both TA and AoK. All those who like TA play the SW mod. All those who like AoK, buy SW:GB. Sorted?

[Guest crd_polaris]

I don't dislike TA, I just dislike talking about it in a SWGB forum. LOL Some people are not going to like TA and you may make a good counter claim, but the feelings still remain. By giving a good counter claim doesn't make the other person automaticly like the game. You can't say I don't know anything about the game. Geesh, I own the game. I own about every RTS ever made.

[Influenza]

Originally posted by PhantomMenace

Influenza, I thought that TA post started by some guy who didnt like the feel of SWGB and wanted everyone to talk about how cool it would have been to have it made by Cavedog instead of Lucasarts! Yet more proof this guy will bend reality to prove...err back his point.

*Sigh* Why do I waste so much time with these threads? Just.... re-read what I said. Here, I'll do it for you:

The argument started when some geniuses decided to flame TA without any support for their claims.

I didn't say why the thread was started. I said that the arguments occured when people like Paladin and Droideka posted bull**** about TA. I proved them wrong (since I own the game and know its engine features *very* well) and they left. From then on the thread followed the same pattern: someone new would say something they thought was new, and I would spend 5 posts showing them that I had already proved that point invalid.

 

So you see, I never said that the thread started with those first ignorant comments. I said the the argument started there. So please, you stop "bending reality" and read what I #@&*ing say.

 

Let's just drop this topic, ok? It's pointless.

[Warlord Zsinj]

Influenza, I thought that TA post started by some guy who didnt like the feel of SWGB and wanted everyone to talk about how cool it would have been to have it made by Cavedog instead of Lucasarts! Yet more proof this guy will bend reality to prove...err back his point.

 

Yet another example of your intollerable English skills. Even if you are not an English speaker, try to re-read your posts and make them sensical. I mean, I had to have 'flu explain that one to me!

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The funny thing about all this is that whether that topic creates 1 post or 1,000,000; i still don't think Lucasarts is gonna cancel impending shipments, and hand the project over to the producers of TA, nor do i think Lucas entertainment is gonna revoke Lucasarts liscense of the game and give the rights to the producers of TA! I don't know, call me crazy! I mean i know its a stab in the dark and all, but i dont see it happening, but then that's just me you know i could be wrong.

 

We know that. We are just having an intelligent conversation with intelligent people. We are not bagging SWGB. Most of us really like SWGB!!!

We are just having a pleasant conversation about different threads. Its people like you who screw it all up for everyone. You come in spouting your crap, and we cannot let that slide! I seriously doubt that I could ever ignore an unbased TA flaming thread. I should, but I could not, as it just drives me through the roof. Whats worse is when you come in flaming our game in a thread where the likes of you are not present and intelligent people are having intelligent converstations.

[SharkY]

Originally posted by PhantomMenace

 

Influenza, I thought that TA post started by some guy who didnt like the feel of SWGB and wanted everyone to talk about how cool it would have been to have it made by Cavedog instead of Lucasarts! Yet more proof this guy will bend reality to prove...err back his point.

 

Refer back to this thread:

http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=324226#post324226

 

 

'This' thread should be closed...

[Guest BountyHunter]

The SWGB/TA debate is like beating a dead dog. How many times can you revive a dead subject?

 

I just dont understand the purpose of it at this point. I've played both and outside the fact that they are both in the RTS genre its really like comparing apples and oranges.

[Heavyarms]

tell you the truth, a heck of a lot.

[Guest PhantomMenace]

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Total Annihilation. It is the greatest game in the world. Star Wars GB could be the greatest but it would be for sure if Lucas Arts had resurrected the crew of Cavedog the company that made TA.

That would have been the coolest ever.

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This is the post that started the thread on why GB should have been made by the producers of Total Annihilation...i just copied and pasted this... Lets watch this guy try to disprove me on this one!

[Influenza]

Dude. Quit the crusade act, ok? All I said was that the arguments, the arguments, the ****ing arguments started with the baseless comments. I never said the thread started with those comments. There is a difference between a discussion and an argument. JESUS CHRIST! I even went out of my way to show that's not what I said. PLEASE read what I post and at least acknowledge it, ok?

 

And BTW, quit acting like you've got the entire forum "on your side." Saying things like "Lets watch this guy try to disprove me on this one!" is pretty damn rude.

[Clefo]

Making TA sound like the best game ever (Which it isn't) Is pretty deceptive Flu Virus.

 

I have problems with both sides of this debate.

 

1. The Anti-TAers, who do flame the game with no reason (It is a pretty good game)

 

2. The TA Mod Guys, who seem, in my opinion, like they're better than anyone who dosen't like the game..

[Warlord Zsinj]

Well of course we are

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I don't think I'm better than everyone. Just phantommenace. (of course thats not particularly hard )

 

Now, us TA players don't wan't any trouble. We wan't to browse this board like everyone else, and enjoy SWGB like everyone else. However, when a thread about whether or not SWGB should have been made by Cavedog came out, we simply couldn't resist. We come in and find people bagging the crap out of our favourite game. We backed up our game, and all parties seemed to be happy, and the thread slipped down to take its place among the other dead threads.

 

Then this guy, phantommenace, makes a new topic, not for the purpose of discussion, but simply to bag our game some more. We didn't start the second (or third - including this one) topic, and I don't even know the person who started the original topic, and I am in touch with (or atleast know of) most of the Total Annihilation community.

[Guest PhantomMenace]

WHat are you talkign about? What community??? THere is no community?? TA community??? So you saying you speak on behalf of everyoen that plays TA? WHat if i got a person i know that plays TA to come on here and tell you you're an idiot!! What then? TA has no community! Everquest, Asheron's Call, Anarchy Online, and Ultima have a community! TA has no community...and if you want to put it liek that i got TA ( failed to read the reviews a the time, but its now collecting dust and sometimes used as a coaster). So i guess that qualifies me as part of your community and i can say for certain you dont speak on my behalf!

[Crazy_dog no.3]

FLAME WARS:EPISODE 4:NO HOPE

 

IT IS A TIME OF TORMOIL IN THE GB.COM FORUM GALAXY. TA SHIPS HAVE JUST ONE THIER FIRST BATTLE AGAINST THE GB SUPPORTERS.

 

HOWEVER, THE GB ARMY HAVE DEVELELOPED THE FLAME STAR , A WEAPON POWERFUL ENOUGH TO P*** A GUY OFF THE FORUMS.

 

RIGHT NOW, PRINCESS LEIA MODERATOR TRAVELS HERE TO RESTORE LAW AND ORDER...

[Paragon_Leon]

No, I'm not going to wear that hair for my mod-duties...

 

Ease off, people.

Points are to be made on these forums. You might disagree with them, but even then you have an obligation to deal with that GRACEFULLY.

 

No flaming. No calling names.

And please, no endless word-debates on what exactly was being said.

 

I played TA a lot with a friend, and enjoyed it immensely. It's a totally different ballgame from the AOK-engine.

 

Is it better ? Hmmm.. I go for pure enjoyment, not the technical issues. So far, i lean towards GB when it comes to enjoying the game, but TA seems to have more intense battles at times that draw me to that game.

 

It COULD have been a nice development if the makers of TA made GB. I'm trying to visualise it now.. but i still like the current GB-version too much.

 

A last note: there IS a TA community still active. That is a simple fact. The internet is a lot larger than the forums we might browse when it comes to AOK / GB..

 

To put it simple: respond to arguments please, people. And respond to them in a graceful, intelligent manner. Don't flame each other because you might feel that your fave game is 'under attack'. And don't start throwing words to define flaming either..

[Heavyarms]

let's see here... Umm, Maybe you guys should taLK respectfully (I know it is hard, but try!

 

 

Trust me, I've had my share of flames, especially when people don't like you all too much. Now, after looking at it, I say it is probably a really dumb game.

[Influenza]

PhantomMenace: I'm tempted to say something about you, but I respect Paragon_Leon's wishes and therefore will keep it to myself. But let me say this: you know that when Warlord Zsinj spoke of "us TA players" he was referring to the obvious TA players that visit this board. People like myself, Zsinj, Wettis, The_StarWarz_Dude, Locust99, SharkY, and Fes2001 (most of those only posted in the original thread). He never claimed to be representing the entire community (which does exist, BTW, and is even more active than this community. http://www.tauniverse.com, http://www.planetannihilation.com, http://www.annihilated.com, http://www.tamec.org/TA, http://www.tadesigners.com are some of the super-sites. More maps, units, mods, and addons have been made for TA than will ever be made for SWGB. So quit the BS).

 

That is all.