geronimo27 Posted April 9, 2002 Share Posted April 9, 2002 What is the name of the floating sphere weapon that hovers over our shoulder, and can this be turned on in a server? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obi-Cyph Posted April 9, 2002 Share Posted April 9, 2002 I've got no idea if this little comment is going to help anyone, but on the first page where it lists all the force powers etc, as is in this quote 1 Heal [light] 2 Saber Throw 4 Speed 8 Push 16 Pull 32 Mind Trick [light] 64 Grip [dark] 128 Lightning [dark] 256 Dark Rage [dark] 512 Protect [light] 1024 Absorb [light] 2048 Team Heal 4096 Team Energize 8192 Drain [dark] 16384 Seeing Its binary guys. As any programmer or someone doing networking w/ ip address allocation, custom subnetting or similar knows, binary goes from right to left, or, when reading it from left to right, highest to smallest. 16384 8192 4096 2048 1024 512 256 128 64 32 16 8 4 2 1 just a thought, dont know if it'll make any difference. so, if we wanted all the usual nice neutral powers, our bitfield would actually look like this 000000000011110 thats saber throw, speed, push, pull (hurrah), which adds up to 30, in decimal I just found it odd that no one had pointed out that binary goes from right to left, not left to right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatrixCPA Posted April 9, 2002 Share Posted April 9, 2002 The problem isn't that people think it goes left to right or how to add up the value for each bit field. The problem is that when you set the value to disable specific force powers, it disables others that you didn't intend. I still believe it's just a bug and not that nobody can figure out how to set the value. Additionally, even if you only disable one force power, the server info still says "force disabled" and won't let you configure your force powers using the in-game gui. To make a change you need to leave, change them and come back. *stare* Looks like a bug. *sniff* Smells like a bug. *crunch* Tastes like a bug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obi-Cyph Posted April 9, 2002 Share Posted April 9, 2002 Fair enough MatrixCPA, was just a thought anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatrixCPA Posted April 9, 2002 Share Posted April 9, 2002 Oh, believe me...I'd love for someone to figure out a "workaround" to get it working. I think that we can use every admins support to either work on it or to let Raven/Lucas know that they've got a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonFury Posted April 9, 2002 Share Posted April 9, 2002 I was just on a CTF server with: sabres only, all powers disabled except jump + sabre powers (offense, defense + throw) Server name: AusGamers Jedi Knight 2 #2 (its in Australia BTW) IP Address 203.220.0.22:28075 I typed \clear in the console then \serverstatus and did a condump and heres what I got: g_blueteam Rebellion g_redteam Empire g_weaponDisable 65531 g_forcePowerDisable 0 g_forceRegenTime 300 g_maxGameClients 0 capturelimit 10 sv_floodProtect 1 sv_maxPing 0 sv_minPing 0 sv_maxRate 6000 sv_maxclients 14 sv_hostname AusGamers Jedi Knight 2 #2 g_duelWeaponDisable 65531 g_forceBasedTeams 0 duel_fraglimit 1 g_maxForceRank 7 g_saberLocking 1 g_privateDuel 1 timelimit 20 fraglimit 40 dmflags 0 g_needpass 0 version JK2MP: v1.02a linux-i386 Mar 6 2002 g_maxHolocronCarry 3 g_gametype 7 protocol 15 mapname ctf_imperial sv_privateClients 0 sv_allowAnonymous 0 sv_allowDownload 0 bot_minplayers 0 gamename basejk As you can see its not done by g_forcepowerdisable. Hopefully I can get in contact with an admin of the server and find out how to do it. When I went to the configure powers menu, it said Force level jedi master, and I was still able to select everything normally, but they didn't work ingame (same for everyone on the server). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul-Burn Posted April 9, 2002 Share Posted April 9, 2002 Maybe a server-side mod? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obi-Cyph Posted April 9, 2002 Share Posted April 9, 2002 Originally posted by CrimsonFury I was just on a CTF server with: sabres only, all powers disabled except jump + sabre powers (offense, defense + throw) Server name: AusGamers Jedi Knight 2 #2 (its in Australia BTW) IP Address 203.220.0.22:28075 I typed \clear in the console then \serverstatus and did a condump and heres what I got: As you can see its not done by g_forcepowerdisable. Hopefully I can get in contact with an admin of the server and find out how to do it. When I went to the configure powers menu, it said Force level jedi master, and I was still able to select everything normally, but they didn't work ingame (same for everyone on the server). CrimsonFury - I'll have a talk to trog or term about it, as they would be the ones to talk to (the advantages of being admins of ausgamers, heh). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D66 Posted April 9, 2002 Share Posted April 9, 2002 g_forcePowerDisable 0 Maby I am missing something (New to Game server admin) But wouldn't that mean that they are NOT acomplishing it with the G_forcepowerdisable setting? Please hurry with that reply from the Aussies... I would LOVE to know how this is done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonFury Posted April 9, 2002 Share Posted April 9, 2002 Originally posted by D66 Maby I am missing something (New to Game server admin) But wouldn't that mean that they are NOT acomplishing it with the G_forcepowerdisable setting? I already said that in my last post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul-Burn Posted April 9, 2002 Share Posted April 9, 2002 Maybe this? http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=41344 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D66 Posted April 9, 2002 Share Posted April 9, 2002 SOul Burn... That might be a step in the right direction and is worthy of quoting here! Is there a way to reset someones force powers when joining a server cause I think I figured out our problems with getting only certain powers in a game. I could use some input from some people on messing with things I guess. Go into the pk3 file and find a folder called ui\jk2mp and extract the file called menudef.h and change these setting like this #define UI_FORCE_RANK_HEAL 0 <-- was 259 change it to 0 etc. #define UI_FORCE_RANK_LEVITATION 260 #define UI_FORCE_RANK_SPEED 261 #define UI_FORCE_RANK_PUSH 262 #define UI_FORCE_RANK_PULL 263 #define UI_FORCE_RANK_TELEPATHY 0 <-- #define UI_FORCE_RANK_GRIP 0 <-- #define UI_FORCE_RANK_LIGHTNING 0 <-- #define UI_FORCE_RANK_RAGE 0 <-- #define UI_FORCE_RANK_PROTECT 0 <-- #define UI_FORCE_RANK_ABSORB 0 <-- #define UI_FORCE_RANK_TEAM_HEAL 0 <-- #define UI_FORCE_RANK_TEAM_FORCE 0 <-- #define UI_FORCE_RANK_DRAIN 0 <-- #define UI_FORCE_RANK_SEE 273 #define UI_FORCE_RANK_SABERATTACK 274 #define UI_FORCE_RANK_SABERDEFEND 275 #define UI_FORCE_RANK_SABERTHROW 276 Save the file and go back to the base directory and highlight the ui folder and make it into a winzip file with folder names and change the name to assets9.pk3 or any number but make it assets#.pk3. When you start the server you can have any rank you want but when the player goes to the choose forces config they will not see light/dark powers to choose from. The only problem that I am running into is if someone has light/dark powers turned on from a previous server and just hits esc at the choose your model screen then hits join they will still have any powers that they had from the previous game, unless you change the rank I guess not sure. You can just put 0's in front of any powers you dont want in the game in the description up above. Anyone want to help me out on this, could be a step in the right direction, this is tested on a pure server, I think thats why I would make the file called assets instead of something else but who knows. Or if you like I can send you the file and you can mess it An entirely diffrent direction from G_forcepowerdiable... Diffrent enough to maby be right! I wonder what would happen if you apply the above .pak3 and ALSO set the force level to No force.... Could someone try this? I wont get home till late tonight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billcow Posted April 9, 2002 Share Posted April 9, 2002 I don't think that's it. If you look down that post a bit, it was said that it's the exact opposite of what CrimsonFury said it was on this server: According to CrimsonFury: When I went to the configure powers menu, it said Force level jedi master, and I was still able to select everything normally, but they didn't work ingame (same for everyone on the server). however, on the other post, by Valdarious: The only problem that I am running into is if someone has light/dark powers turned on from a previous server and just hits esc at the choose your model screen then hits join they will still have any powers that they had from the previous game, unless you change the rank I guess not sure. In other words, on the Australian server, the GUI was normal, but the powers were disabled in the game, but Valdarious' method restricts the GUI, but the game is normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valdarious Posted April 9, 2002 Share Posted April 9, 2002 We need to figure out what CrimsonFury finds out and combine his idea that he finds and mine together and it would probably work perfectly. Not able to choose and wouldnt work if they just used to the console to cheat their way through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul-Burn Posted April 9, 2002 Share Posted April 9, 2002 Does someone wanna fly with me to australia and get some answers? muhahahahah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatrixCPA Posted April 10, 2002 Share Posted April 10, 2002 My wife and I would love an Australian vacation. You gonna spring for the tix? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobz Posted April 10, 2002 Share Posted April 10, 2002 Heres another suggestion: Instead of looking at conrolling the variables in FFA etc.... perhaps another angle might be to look at a modified HOLOCRON version. You already have your seperate forces in there (not exactly sure how the saber throw and jumo go).... but if they are already standard - then take out the holocrons. ..... Just a thought??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Bichano Posted April 11, 2002 Share Posted April 11, 2002 Any more info on this.. I know you guys are working hard... but it would be great to disable lightning. Also has anyone noticed a hacked rcon cheat out there. Example people being able to stop votes and change maps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XorKaya Posted April 11, 2002 Share Posted April 11, 2002 i've been on the ausgamers servers a few times... even emailed them myself about this very topic (unfortunately no replay ) the thing is... i joined the server one time and for some reason i had drain available to me not a good sign Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teach Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 As I was looking for console and config commands for my dedicated server I noticed that the original q3a had a gravity setting you could implement in your cfg. Adjusting the gravity setting should simulate the force jumps. I realize this method would not be dependent on available force pts. but it may be a temporary work around for the jump, obviously this helps the saber in no way at all. I too eagerly await a way to put the kabosh on that lightning crap! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustoff Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Unfortunately I don't have a lot of time to spend trying to make this work, and a couple of weeks ago I gave up on it as a bug. I've finally gotten around to uploading my g_forcePowerDisable and g_weaponDisable calculator at http://www.jedi-outcast.com/filebase_details.php?f_id=59 I'd like some other minds to pick it apart and make sure that it works, at least as well as we know how at this point in time, and if anyone has comments to add, please let me know Eventually we'll be porting this to C so everyone can use it. -- Dustoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobz Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Even though you have made this calculator - don't we stil have the same problem that we lose Force Jump and Saber Throw whenever we restrict other forces?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustoff Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Err, yes. this thing isn't going to majikally fix problems in the game. If/when this bug is fixed, or we figure out what the hell is really going on, it'll be updated to reflect any changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famine123 Posted April 13, 2002 Share Posted April 13, 2002 This may be nothing but has anyone looked at the correlation between the bit #'s everyone is refering to (for weapons and force powers) and what the dedicatid server is reporting? What I mean is I am watching the DOS window show the following "Kill 1_5_16:Desann killed shadow trooper withMOD_FLECHETTE" "Kill 0_1_3:Jan killed Desann with MOD_SABER" this equals out to " killer_killed_object killed by. I know VERY little about programming but could there be a way to modify powers by finding this connection? MOD_FORCE_DARK = 27 MOD_SABER = 3 MOD_FLECHETTE = 16 MOD_SENTRY = 28 MOD_FALLING = 34 Sorry if this not relevent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman3ooo Posted April 13, 2002 Share Posted April 13, 2002 There is a slight way around losing force jump Set the gravity lower with: G_Gravity # 800 is default Still cant fix Saber Throw tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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