ArtifeX Posted April 20, 2002 Share Posted April 20, 2002 It has come to my attention that two followers of *ASC* were kick-voted off of a public server last night by -SC- followers simply for having the *ASC* tag. They were not allowed to rejoin. There were comments directed at them that can only be categorized as flames. Kickvoting is the ultimate expression of your own immaturity and lack of skill. If you don't like someone, go slice them to ribbons with your saber or shoot them in the face with a rocket. If you want to anger someone, taunt them. Don't think that anyone will respect you if you kickvote someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul-Burn Posted April 20, 2002 Share Posted April 20, 2002 Are you sure they were voted just for having the tags? What server was that? A server with enforced rules? Kickvoting says nothing about skill... but if they got kicked, I guess most of the people on the server didn't want them there.. That's the admin's fault he made it only 50% or something... I've become against kickvoting on non-enforced public servers... (unless someone is really lame and everyone wants him out... kicking 1 person for 15 to have fun is the right thing to do) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[del] Twitch Posted April 20, 2002 Share Posted April 20, 2002 [del]Chief and myself were targets of kick-voting, and frankly it was rather funny: Chief is a saber ***** and I'm a gun *****, so I thought there was no reason for trying to get us kicked. Then I looked at the scoreboard. Chief had 40, and I had 39...the rest the pack started at 28. The people trying to get us kicked were the third and fourth place guys, who just happened to be on the same clan. We didn't get booted. We in fact haxxored the gibson - Twitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul-Burn Posted April 20, 2002 Share Posted April 20, 2002 heh... ever since counter-strike, no one can trust someone who has a much higher score... so the newbies kick vote them off cuz they suck. i just hope people will get over it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sartis Posted April 20, 2002 Share Posted April 20, 2002 lol, I got voted off a server today because I kept killing everybody easily, then they all wanted to do only duels on an FFA server so I kept attacking them they killed me some(all of them on me) and I threw them off the edge. Then one guy kept push/pulling me around so I grip him he dies so he must have been low health he calls vote to kick me out cause I used grip on him lol. Yet Push/pull is as 'cheap' even more so than Grip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul-Burn Posted April 20, 2002 Share Posted April 20, 2002 Was it really an FFA server? Or FFA with rules enforced? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtifeX Posted April 20, 2002 Author Share Posted April 20, 2002 Originally posted by Sartis lol, I got voted off a server today because I kept killing everybody easily, then they all wanted to do only duels on an FFA server so I kept attacking them they killed me some(all of them on me) and I threw them off the edge. Then one guy kept push/pulling me around so I grip him he dies so he must have been low health he calls vote to kick me out cause I used grip on him lol. Yet Push/pull is as 'cheap' even more so than Grip That is exactly the kind of crap that I'm talking about. People with no skill are kicking better players for no reason other than they're getting the snot beaten out of them. I want to urge all of you who have been kicked from a server for your highly developed skills or lack of regard for artifical and 4ssinine etiquette rules to adopt the *ASC* suffix tag! That way, those who are using qtracker (http://www.qtracker.com) can locate like-minded and like-skilled players and have some great matches without the fear of getting kicked by a pack of whining call-voters and to reap horrible vengeance upon those who try! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacMeth Posted April 20, 2002 Share Posted April 20, 2002 now everybody who has been kicked by n00bs has to wear the ASC tag now? that means .. aw forget it.. what am i doing in here? i tried to put an end to this several times... soul burn spidey and you will never stop flaming will ya? we all just want to have some fun playing the game... ASC and SC in a different way... just stay seperated and all will be fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacMeth Posted April 20, 2002 Share Posted April 20, 2002 oh and another thing: i think the most SCers that post in here already said what they think about kick voting... soulburn for exampe trashed this rule i told ya that i've done it once even before SC existed but i know by now that its wrong and only annoys people and that i wont do it again (except this guy is only spamming nonsense and insults others and doesnt obey the !server! rules but even then only if someone has told him several times to stop it and behave) there are other SC members that have said similar things..but i forgot their names... but one thing to keep in mind is: if a server allows voting then the server rules should be what the majority wants them to be.... (i think thats called democracy, isn't it?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul-Burn Posted April 20, 2002 Share Posted April 20, 2002 Yes... No skill my @$$... If the server has voting on, and all the people there, THAT WANNA HAVE FUN, should kick off the single disturbance. And there are those that say "I paid for this game! I don't want these skilless n00bs kicking me off!"... Well, FO! We have paid for the game too and we wanna have fun... 15 people wanting to have fun are crushing u'r idea of "I'll do what I want" The community has spoken. You're trying to look all powerful, but all your ideas fall because no one cares!@#%# Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightmare47 Posted April 20, 2002 Share Posted April 20, 2002 (rant) I know that this may very well feed the flames, but I've sat around keeping this to myself for long enough IMO. ArtifeX: Just drop the 'ASC is getting picked on' stuff. I dont really care how much of it is true, but its getting really annoying to see a new post every day about how the ASC is getting picked on or how it completely owns the SC. If you get booted off of a server (for whatever reason), switch to another one (its not that hard, its what I do when I get booted, which is rather infrequently...). If you really want to get back onto the server that booted you, wait a day for everything to calm down. I have no real sympathy for the ASC, and am losing the some respect I have for the SC, because of these mini-flame wars which seem to erupt every day (and each one seems to be in a post which has SOMETHING to do with the ASC). I MIGHT sympathize with you a bit more if it didn't seem to me that you started most of the flame wars. Yes Soul Burn wasn't exactly being 'nice' here, but he didn't outright flame ANYONE until you posted your message about how people with 'no skill' are kicking better players. I admit that, in this case, it might be true that two good players got kicked because they were, in fact, too good, but there are plenty of times that people get kicked for legitimate reasons (camping, Hvy DFA move spamming, breaking the 'rules' of an FFA 'Duels' server, etc.). (/rant) Now that I've got that off of my back.... On the subject of Kick-Voting, I'm with just about everyone else who has posted on this thread: I'm not going to start a vote to kick an ASC or SC member just because they're doing well, but I WILL help vote ANYONE off for a legit reason (I might even START the vote). BacMeth: heh, I agree with you completely about how almost everyone has been kicked from a server at one point in time . Soul-Burn: Calm down. I've got nothing against you, but there really is no need to continue a flame war. If you REALLY want to make someone angry, respond to a flame in a completely calm and logical way, picking apart his points one by one . I'm all for you and Artifex debating the merits (and lack of merits) of kick-voting, but not in a flame war.... Nightmare dons flame-retardant suit and sits down to wait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthCobra Posted April 20, 2002 Share Posted April 20, 2002 Solution: Play on servers with voting disabled. Sometimes ppl wanna duel on a ffa map. And theres usally a few spot where ppl gather to duel. And others are waiting to duel next (no sabers drawn). Then some idiot comes up and starts push/pull/wackin at ppl, and its very lame. So if you got kicked for something like this. You deserved it, and you can take your lame a$$ off to another server and quit ranting about it on forums. Its just a game and there are plenty of servers. I think the voteing is a great idea, but can be abused like so many other things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greedo626 Posted April 21, 2002 Share Posted April 21, 2002 One thing a can't stand is when I'm playing a team based game (e.g. ctf, cty, team ffa) and people on my team are killing me:swear: People like this should be kicked so they can join a ffa game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Jerrodd Posted April 21, 2002 Share Posted April 21, 2002 Well if FF is off there is hardly a a problem with TK'ers, now is there? Some people just don't have training and can't aim As for these "clans" flaming each other all the time, this isn't new unfortunately. That's why I'm not planning to do the clan business. It seems though Star Wars oriented, the Quake3 engine has a certain public that come with each Q3 enigine release, be it a new build or a new game based on that engine. Sad isn't it... yes it is but that's the reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowMongoose Posted April 21, 2002 Share Posted April 21, 2002 Looking back to the original post.... I would just like to say that If I ran a server, I would kick anyone sporting the ASC Tag.... ON SIGHT Seems to me the entire point of the ASC is to cause trouble (yes I have read the ASC thread). Looks like all the idiots who do stupid things to ruin other peoples days are joining together...oh boy and in response to Arti's last post: LMAO I am sure that the vast majority of the members of the ASC are NOT uber badass players who beat the hell out of everyone. There may be some of them that are, but the vast majority are just little brats who derive pleasure from ruining other peoples gaming fun. (Why do I have a feeling the lil brats are gonna flame my ass for this.......) Snow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtifeX Posted April 22, 2002 Author Share Posted April 22, 2002 Originally posted by SnowMongoose Looking back to the original post.... I would just like to say that If I ran a server, I would kick anyone sporting the ASC Tag.... ON SIGHT Seems to me the entire point of the ASC is to cause trouble (yes I have read the ASC thread). Looks like all the idiots who do stupid things to ruin other peoples days are joining together...oh boy and in response to Arti's last post: LMAO I am sure that the vast majority of the members of the ASC are NOT uber badass players who beat the hell out of everyone. There may be some of them that are, but the vast majority are just little brats who derive pleasure from ruining other peoples gaming fun. (Why do I have a feeling the lil brats are gonna flame my ass for this.......) Snow No, no flames. You can just refer to my next post. It'll be up in a day or two once antisabercode.50megs.com has been updated. I think it'll give a lot of weight to my points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrainStorm Posted April 22, 2002 Share Posted April 22, 2002 ArtifeX, if what happend to you is as you reported, then the people that kicked you were not operating as true -SC- players should. Unfortunately, without a way to manage multiplayer names in this game, this is going to happen. It is my hope that people like that will soon get bored with this game, and will leave. I am guessing that these types of people did not pay for the game in the first place. Just call it a hunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolarWind Posted April 23, 2002 Share Posted April 23, 2002 No offense, Artlife, but I've gotta agree with Mongoose. I too have read the ASC, and it indeed does sound like the purpose of the ASC is to just simply ruin the game for people who don't want to play it like you want to. If I'm wrong here, by all means tell me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morbrion Posted April 23, 2002 Share Posted April 23, 2002 Last night, during a disagreement with another player, he starting using racist terms (the 'n' word) to me, as though being called black is some sort of put down. I was shocked as were other players in the game, when someone else told him he should watch his racist comments, he replied that we were all just more 'stupid n*' who needed to hang from his tree. We started a vote to kick this person, and even the Admin stepped in and kick/BANNED him. My point is that sometimes being able to kick a player is a good thing. When that person is using socially unacceptable language and racist slurs and think they are funny, someone has to let them know that certain things aren't acceptable, even in a game. And yes, I have *almost* been on the other side of being kicked, I was using absorb, the other team CONTINUALLY kept lightning, push/pulling me, and thought I had some sort of infinite absorb until I explained to them their attacks were only making my absorb last longer...something they didn't seem to realize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[del] Twitch Posted April 24, 2002 Share Posted April 24, 2002 I LOVE IT when they don't know what absorb is... Anyways, I was on my usual favorite server last night (and it didn't have the regulars, which made me sad ) and it happened to be a Team FFA. Me and a friend were on one side, and these three other guys were on the other. It was apparently that they were new, because they were asking about how to saber throw, how to "jump that high," ad nauseum. So we told people to join their team and what not...not trying to gloat or anything, they were just new, REALLY new... After saying that, 5 mins later, one of them (Slo***Ra**, if you catch my drift), said that my friend's mom needed help. I laughed so hard, because I figured he was 10 or something, and just said that it was cool, just don't say anything more. Of course he did... ...but rather than kicking him, which we tried to do but failed because the others were either too apathetic or just didn't know how to vote, we just slaughtered him. Ahhhhhhhhh - Twitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtifeX Posted April 24, 2002 Author Share Posted April 24, 2002 The *ASC* is not about ruining the game. It is impossible to ruin someone else's game without either hacking, cheating or kick/banning someone. If you choose to play in an FFA server, then you have to expect people to attack you if you're standing around with your saber off. If you don't want them to kill you while you're not duelling, then join a duel server or private FFA server. If you're in a duel server, you have to expect that if you look down in a mock-bow, then you're giving your opponent a clean shot: they may take advantage of it. If you don't want to leave yourself open to stuff like that, then bow from farther away or don't bow at all. This is really simple stuff people. The original *ASC* post was more making fun of -SC- than it was serious. People carrying the tag now are simply against being kickvoted for not following some stupid etiquette rules in a gametype that by nature has no rules (yes, we also tend to think bowing in a computer game is rediculous). If you agree with that, then adopt the tag. If you think kickvoting someone who killed you while you bowing is fair and just, then by all means adopt the -SC- tag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con. Snake Posted April 24, 2002 Share Posted April 24, 2002 Kick votes have been intitated against me simply for using the best weapon at my disposal at the moment. It's always these hermaphroditic weasals that insist on using sabers, and nothing but sabers in a guns enabled FFA then wonder why they are losing, can't take it, and try to win by bitching and voting the person winning out. I'm sorry, but in a guns enabled FFA the saber is not the best tool for the job(Well it is when doing a DFA into a crowd). Fortunetly, most of the people in the servers I play in don't agree with King Stupid and his handful of followers so the votes always get trashed as bad as the moron who started it. From all my experiences, ArtifeX is right in that those who have no skill and are losing do everything they can to get rid of those better than them. Their craniums are too damned empty to understand the concept that there are people better than them. But no, they refuse to accept that thought, so they conjure up these thoughts that the person must be cheating, to try and make themselves feel better. If people could get it through their heads that people are just better, cheating accusations whould be halved. Sure there is cheating, no arguments on that fact, but there is no where near the amount that people think there is. It's not the cheating that ruins games, its the ****ing paranoia spread by those who just plain suck. Cheating could be 100% completely eradicated, and you would still get a ****load of accusations, because people can't accept one little fact. Human beings unfortunetly have egos, and it will be the doom of our species. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrainStorm Posted April 24, 2002 Share Posted April 24, 2002 My opinion is that the *ASC* is only there to antagonize the -SC-. Maybe not all of them; but just the ones that abuse the tag. ArtifeX, you just are not going to let go of that public/private issue are you? All servers are private. Some just have passwords. I re-read the constitution and the bill of rights and there is no mention of Jedi Outcast in there; so all the arguments about peoples rights do not apply. And for the last time, bowing is not a requirement of the -SC-. If you go and read the -SC- combat code, you will see that it plainly states that when challenging an opponent, it is your choice to bow or to taunt. It just so happens that most prefer to bow. What do you mean no rules? Let me check my manual... Here it is... Maximum Players: a rule Time Limit : another rule Kill limit : more rules? Enable voting : wait just a second. You mean the server operator has a choice? Then that's a rule too. And why can't we run Pac-Man on someone's public server???? Its public right?!?! If it is supposed to be for everyone, why should it only be for JKII??!?!! GAFB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con. Snake Posted April 24, 2002 Share Posted April 24, 2002 Maximum Players: a rule Time Limit : another rule Kill limit : more rules? Enable voting : wait just a second. You mean the server operator has a choice? Then that's a rule too. Last I checked those were Server Variables, A.K.A. Options, not rules. Please do us all a favor and read a Dictionary, or better yet, head over to http://www.dictionary.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrainStorm Posted April 24, 2002 Share Posted April 24, 2002 HAHA! Thanks for the laugh. An obvious dig at me, and then the dictionary thing were great. All this and you want to argue semantics? Ok, so they are only game variables until they are selected and then they become the game's rules. Please come back when you have an actual point that you want to debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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