Vestril Posted April 30, 2002 Share Posted April 30, 2002 I'm not saying that there can only be two jedi period. I'm saying that Yoda's comments about there only being a master and an aprentice also applied to the Jedi as well, but in a different context. Qui Gonn was denied the authority to take on a second padawan. He, one master, could only have one aprentice. Hence, Yoda's comment being applied to the Jedi. Now, yes there were numerous masters and knights, but they each could only have one padawan. Makes sense to me, so I did misunderstand, sorry. Now for my other question... With that in mind how did Vader bring balance to the Force in your context? I'm still confused about that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quvmoh Posted April 30, 2002 Share Posted April 30, 2002 Ok? First part to the balance was a balance of power. I am not refering to the Balance of the Force, just in man power. When Vader began to slaughter the Jedi, he left only two. We know them as Yoda, the Master, and Obi Wan, the Knight and former aprentice to Yoda. On the side of the Sith, there were also two. The Emperor, Sith Master, and Vader, Sith Lord and aprentice to the Emperor. Now, in comes Luke. Here we have three on the side of the Jedi. Yoda, Obi Wan, and Luke. Vader kills Obi Wan, and the balance of power is again brought to two. So, now we flash forward to just before the Battle of Endor. Yoda dies, and Leah is revealed. So, with that, the Jedi still remain at two. Luke, the Knight (pending he succeeds in facing Vader), and Leah, jedi aprentice per Luke's conversation with her in the Ewok village. Now, we go to the throne room. Luke alone faces against vader. Luke defeats Vader. Aprentice against aprentice. With Vader defeated, Luke is now the Knight, and Jedi master out of default. Now, the Emperor and Luke face off. Master against Master. However, vader interferes, kills the Emperor, and essentially kills himself when he tells Luke to remove his helmet. Therefore, the Sith have been whipped out and the balance of power is no more. All that remains is Luke and Leah, the master and aprentice. Thus bringing balance to the Force. Understand? Quvmoh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted April 30, 2002 Share Posted April 30, 2002 I guess I just don't see how Luke and Leia being the last two factor into the balance, if there was a third I don't think it would be unbalanced--but thats just a difference of opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leagle Posted April 30, 2002 Share Posted April 30, 2002 For a start, Obi-Wan was a master, not a knight. It is balance in the force, not manpower. It has already been said!!! All of it!!! All of you!!! In cluding: "Hello, just wondering (and I hope this isn't too off topic), if the Sith were a people the dark jedis enslaved, how come the two most famous sithlords, Darth Vader and the Emperor are humans (at least apparently)? " *whimpers*. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted April 30, 2002 Share Posted April 30, 2002 For a start, Obi-Wan was a master, not a knight. It is balance in the force, not manpower. It has already been said!!! All of it!!! All of you!!! In cluding: "Hello, just wondering (and I hope this isn't too off topic), if the Sith were a people the dark jedis enslaved, how come the two most famous sithlords, Darth Vader and the Emperor are humans (at least apparently)? " *whimpers*. Calm down, you might give yourself a heart attack... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breakin2' Posted May 2, 2002 Author Share Posted May 2, 2002 I still want to know why Anakin/Vader never became more powerful than the Emperor. Supposedly, he had all this force potential (the metachlorians (sp?) in his blood) that exceeded even Yoda's. If he had all this power and was arrogant (as he evidentally becomes), why would he submit to be a servant of the Emperor? Well, I suppose Episode III will answer that, but it's a ways off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted May 2, 2002 Share Posted May 2, 2002 Obi Wan was a master. Anakin wasn't a master. They fought. Anakin lost and got badly hurt. Anakin had less body, and required a walking Irong Lung to stay alive. Anakin wasn't as much of a bada$$ anymore. and... The Emperor was very strong in the Dark Side and very well trained and had a lot of experience. Anakin was a 20 year old kid. Thats pretty much why... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingping Posted May 2, 2002 Share Posted May 2, 2002 jedi are responsible for bringing 'balance' to the force, any sith upset that balance by gaining power for their own ends. Probably: you have to consider that the pisspoor scriptwriters of Episode I could have just made it up to sound good and create foreboding. The same goes for the 'there are only two' line, although I actually believe Luke was intended to defeat and replace Vader, but Vader had planned to ensure this didnt happen. And in response to an earlier post <<<--small spoiler-->>> Count Dooku is also Lord Tyranus, and as far as I know gives up the jedi order to ally with the Empire, much like Saruman in LotR, played by the same actor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CupO'Coffee Posted May 2, 2002 Share Posted May 2, 2002 ahhhhh! spoilers everywhere! please, please use the spoiler tags, that's what they were made for. ps: the actor was (LotR)/is (ep2) christopher lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted May 2, 2002 Share Posted May 2, 2002 If you're refering to my post Cup I don't really think there are any spoilers, just reasoning based on facts from the Original Triliogy and the very little I know about Ep III (derived from Starwars.com, who don't exactly put out big spoilers...). As for other people I didn't see much that gave away anything... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CupO'Coffee Posted May 3, 2002 Share Posted May 3, 2002 you're gonna tell me that saying that dooku is also tyranus is not a spoiler? since neither the trailers, nor any other source confirmed it i definetly consider it a spoiler. and to back it up: one fan once asked christopher lee, if count dooku is also darth tyrannus... christopher didn't answer at all to this question, now guess why as for your post... ok maybe i was a little hasty not taking your answer out of my cry for spoilers but i still think that the reason anakin turned into vader is a spoiler, since many gonna watch star wars just to see why this cute little 9 years old boy turned into darth heavy-breath. thus i consider telling it something of a spoiler, but since it was listed on starwars.com without a spoiler warning... maybe i'm mistaken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted May 3, 2002 Share Posted May 3, 2002 The reason I don't consider it a spoiler is that it's been around for 20 years...I first read about it when I read the Trilogy novels...granted it could change, but as I understand it, that much will stay the same. Also I wouldn't know about what was a spoiler about Count Dokuu since I haven't read the book, or any of the online scripts (btw, that wasn't really a spoiler....) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swediot=) Posted May 4, 2002 Share Posted May 4, 2002 lol:lol: this whole thing doesnt really make much sense does it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CupO'Coffee Posted May 4, 2002 Share Posted May 4, 2002 to be honest: no it doesn't make that much sense. but, what the hell, we're here to fight about dumb, unimportant things that don't have the slightest significanse to any of us, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted May 4, 2002 Share Posted May 4, 2002 to be honest: no it doesn't make that much sense. but, what the hell, we're here to fight about dumb, unimportant things that don't have the slightest significanse to any of us, right? HEY!!!! I resemble that remark!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breakin2' Posted May 4, 2002 Author Share Posted May 4, 2002 Hey, nothing about Stars Wars is dumb or unimportant. It's not so much a movie as it is a lifestyle. I'm now going to get in my 78' Ford Pinto that I refer to as the Millenium Falcon, put on my homemade Jedi robes, grab my $20 lightsaber, and cruise around to pick me up some chicks. I'll only stop for those who I sense the force is strong with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted May 4, 2002 Share Posted May 4, 2002 Hey, nothing about Stars Wars is dumb or unimportant. It's not so much a movie as it is a lifestyle. I'm now going to get in my 78' Ford Pinto that I refer to as the Millenium Falcon, put on my homemade Jedi robes, grab my $20 lightsaber, and cruise around to pick me up some chicks. I'll only stop for those who I sense the force is strong with. I'm sure you'll get many chicks...how big is your lightsaber?... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breakin2' Posted May 5, 2002 Author Share Posted May 5, 2002 I turns out the Dark Side is indeed quite powerful. If I didn't have my trusty lightsaber, I think I would have been slapped no less than 10 times. Sure, go for the guys in the Mustangs and Camaros. My Pinto can do the Kessel run much quicker than those cars can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Iroel Posted May 5, 2002 Share Posted May 5, 2002 Anyway, for the theory that there could only be a master and an aprentice even between the jedis, I think that is wrong. Infact we can see in episode 2 that Yoda teaches many young aprentices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRAZYASSBEATCH Posted May 5, 2002 Share Posted May 5, 2002 There is always 2; a master and an apprentice. They did not say there is ONLY 2. There are many jedi masters with padawan learners as their apprentices, just as there are many sith lords and their apprentices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted May 5, 2002 Share Posted May 5, 2002 There is always 2; a master and an apprentice. They did not say there is ONLY 2. Try watching The Phantom Menace... *ahem* "Always two there are, no more, no less." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homey-V Posted May 5, 2002 Share Posted May 5, 2002 As far as I know Sith and Dark Jedi are not the same. A dark Jedi is a jedi that has turned to the dark side, whether it be after or before their training is completed. The Sith are those who are trained only in the dark side of the force, and have never been jedi. The rule for there being only two is because the dark side is focused around power, control, greed and hatred. Therefore, no matter what the case, if the light jedi are extinct or not, the Sith will self destruct if there are more than two. The reason that the rule of two was put into place was because of the Sith war, in which all but one of the Sith lords were wiped out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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