Cursim Mortis Posted May 3, 2002 Share Posted May 3, 2002 Forgive my ignorance, but I've always heard Star Wars fans express Greedo shooting first as a bad thing. I've never seen it as good or bad... why does everyone hate it so much? Thanks Cursim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Forceflow Posted May 3, 2002 Share Posted May 3, 2002 It was a cheesy thing to do. The way it originally was was much better. First of, how in the world could he miss Han completely? He practically had his gun sticking in Hans face! Besides, I think it fit Han a lot better that he shot first. After all Han ain't the typical 'Mr. Nice Guy' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cursim Mortis Posted May 3, 2002 Author Share Posted May 3, 2002 How was it originally? I noticed that the film looks like it was edited or cut in some way because the plaster shot from Greedo looks weird, but I couold be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CupO'Coffee Posted May 3, 2002 Share Posted May 3, 2002 as far as i can remember, in the original version no shots were to be seen, one could only hear hans gun going off and greedos head falling on the table soon after. this was a way better solution than the one in the newer version because han makes this odd dodge move in the newer one. he moves his head just a little bit to the right, making greedo missing him (greedo had his gun practically up hans nose! how could he miss?). also this illustrated hans character way better since it made his "better him than me" attitunde become clear. i think they changed it because it made han less of a good-guy, and he had to be one in their opinion because he's one the protagonists and protagonists have to be flawlessly good persons. because of the same reason they change the title of RotJ. from what i've heard "return of the jedi" first should be named "revenge of the jedi" but they changed the title because "revenge" is not a "jediish" thing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewie Bakker Posted May 3, 2002 Share Posted May 3, 2002 Greedo: "I've been looking forward to this for a long time" Han Solo: "Yes, I bet you have." BLAM! I agree that Greedo shouldn't have shot first. You could already tell that he was shooting in self-defense, and putting it in Special Edition stuffs it up, because Jabba says to Han "You didn't have to fry poor Greedo" when it's pretty obvious that he did have to fry Greedo because Greedo was shooting at him! It doesn't irk me too much, but I think that makes it pretty weird. What's the bet this gets moved very soon...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patchx Posted May 3, 2002 Share Posted May 3, 2002 the original scene (ive got it on tape) was han just sort of lounging back and blowing greedo away from under the table why he was still talking without any effort or strain making greedo shoot first was freakin' sacriligous when i was like twelve and watching starwars for the first time Han blowing Greedo away so coldly and easily was one of the things that i thought was so unbelievably cool han was like a pirate guy who had very little in the way of morals when it came to scum like greedo now Lucas has turned him into a politically correct self defence gimp, plus it just looks really crap and dodgy. the jabba scene sux too hes like half the size he is in ROTJ -patch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDragon Posted May 3, 2002 Share Posted May 3, 2002 Just don't even get me started!! It was a travesty of a change that changed the whole character of Han Solo and not for the better. It was like re-editing THX1138 and removing all the references to drugs, religion, violence and subversiveness! But it was still better than the Luke-meets-Biggs-before-leaving-Yavin scene! "Hey Biggs! Your new life insurance policy has just come through - you better sign it now!" "No, don't worry, I'll do it when I get back!" "Biggs, your girlfriend just called and wants you to know she's pregnant!" "Tell her I'll see her when I get back!" How many other ways was it just SOOOOO obvious he was going to die??? Come back Jar Jar, you're not as bad as we thought! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CupO'Coffee Posted May 3, 2002 Share Posted May 3, 2002 Originally posted by patchx han was like a pirate guy who had very little in the way of morals when it came to scum like greedo now Lucas has turned him into a politically correct self defence gimp, plus it just looks really crap and dodgy. the jabba scene sux too hes like half the size he is in ROTJ -patch that's exactly the point! han is a pirate, a scoundrel and a a politically correct self defence gimp, and exactly that got clear through this scene (in the orig, at least) to the jabba thing: i think he appeared so big in RotJ because he sat on a couch... pillow... pan... whatever. i don't think the crazy ILM guys would make such an obvious mistake as making jabbe "mofo" hut too small Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patchx Posted May 3, 2002 Share Posted May 3, 2002 they had to make jabba roughly human sized cause the original footage was han talking to some guy. they just edited out the guy and inserted jabba so to make it look like han was still looking in the right direction while talking and stuff they had to make him roughly the same size instead of the gargantuan lard ass we all know and loved from ROTJ and that dodgy tail stepping on bit was an utter farce, they just moved the entire image of han up about a foot for a split second they shoulda just left it out -patch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Forceflow Posted May 3, 2002 Share Posted May 3, 2002 Yeah, I agree, the Jabba Scene was badly made. I mean I liked the fact that it was in there, but it certainly wasn'T done that great... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted May 3, 2002 Share Posted May 3, 2002 Well it was cheap because Han was on an OC3, and Greedo was on dial-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceMonkey1315 Posted May 3, 2002 Share Posted May 3, 2002 everybody seems to hate the whole greedo shooting first, but look at it this way...if han was threatened, he wouldve just shot as soon as he couldve...when he waited for greedo to miss, it was like saying "i'm not scared of your aim"...hans 'still the semi-good guy' thing works out for him too, just because he didnt kill greedo when he didnt know what the turnout would be... plus, the jabba scene may have not had the best special effects, but really, if you didnt know about it, it really explains why jabba was mad, it just helped the story along Space Monkey §ß Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastcoast2895 Posted May 3, 2002 Share Posted May 3, 2002 personally, i think it doesn't take away from han shooting greedo coldly because of the shot of han getting his gun ready first. since we see han getting his gun ready, it could be taken as han was going to shot greedo no matter what, but greedo got off a shot and missed do to some mechanical error (which also could introduce the solo luck) making the shot go wide and allowing han to kill him, but then again i don't see why people hate jar jar so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowCell Posted May 3, 2002 Share Posted May 3, 2002 from what i've heard "return of the jedi" first should be named "revenge of the jedi" but they changed the title because "revenge" is not a "jediish" thing... I thought Lucas did that because not only is revenge a Dark Side thing, but he also wanted to catch merchandising pirates. They'd sell stuff with "Revenge of the Jedi" all over it, and Lucas would instantly know it was fake. As for Jabba, I guess he gained some weight during ESB. And as for Jar Jar, I always understood it that Star Wars fans hate such a childish character as Jar Jar. But, apparently Lucas included Jar Jar for little kids because he thought Darth Maul and Darth Sidious would scare them, and he wanted to have something there for them to, uh, not be scared of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CupO'Coffee Posted May 3, 2002 Share Posted May 3, 2002 and so he inserted pain-in-the-@$$-jar-jar? smart move there george. but i think you may be right ShadowCell, but did jar jar had to be that childish? and what are you talking about that little kids would be scared of darth maul and darth sidious? apart from their reeeaaallly intimidating names (i'm still shaking all over) they are perfect for kids. sidious because he looks (apart from his voice and his hood) like a friendly uncle, and maul because he looks like a clown with all his tatoos on! and he also moves like a clown, like one of those acrobatic clowns... ps: mauly is only right for kids if they're not afraid of clowns.... uhhh.... clowns... *shaking* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R!zz0 Posted May 4, 2002 Share Posted May 4, 2002 Although everyone hates Jar-Jar, and I can see why, the Star Wars fims are really made for kids as well (hence the U or PG rating). Jar-Jar is the C-3PO of Ep I. Althogh Jar-Jar is more annoying to me than C-3PO, I used to hate threepio - but would probably have found Jar-Jar funny, but now I am older and I get threepoi's jokes and he isn't so annoying. But Jar-Jar is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UseDaAgression Posted May 4, 2002 Share Posted May 4, 2002 I thought the Jabba thing was worse. Hes like 200 pounds in the Special Eddition next thing ya know hes 2000 pound mass who couldnt pick him self up lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted May 4, 2002 Share Posted May 4, 2002 Well it was cheap because Han was on an OC3, and Greedo was on dial-up. Rofl, thats just too freakin funny... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Darth Vega* Posted May 4, 2002 Share Posted May 4, 2002 Han Solo was at least an OC-192 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapNColostomy Posted May 4, 2002 Share Posted May 4, 2002 my problem, and I think alot of the other fans problem with Greedo shooting first is that it seemed like they were trying to sterilize Han Solo by making it appear that he was defending himself instead of being the no good bastard he was originally supposed to be. Think about it, here's a guy that smuggles drugs, guns, and has broken probably all the laws in the damned galaxy, so should it be all that shocking that he shot Greedo? And I think the original cantina shooting of Greedo portayed that well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kissamies Posted May 4, 2002 Share Posted May 4, 2002 I wouldn't have minded altering that scene if they had managed to make it look believable. Well, maybe I would have minded a little, but not much. I know that Greedo was supposed to be a pretty inept bounty hunter, but Han managing to dodge his blaster like that when its pointed at his face really hurts my suspension of disbelief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapNColostomy Posted May 4, 2002 Share Posted May 4, 2002 "Just don't even get me started!! It was a travesty of a change that changed the whole character of Han Solo and not for the better. It was like re-editing THX1138 and removing all the references to drugs, religion, violence and subversiveness! But it was still better than the Luke-meets-Biggs-before-leaving-Yavin scene! "Hey Biggs! Your new life insurance policy has just come through - you better sign it now!" "No, don't worry, I'll do it when I get back!" "Biggs, your girlfriend just called and wants you to know she's pregnant!" "Tell her I'll see her when I get back!" How many other ways was it just SOOOOO obvious he was going to die??? Come back Jar Jar, you're not as bad as we thought" This may be the best post ever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPY_jmr1 Posted May 4, 2002 Share Posted May 4, 2002 http://www.jediknight.net/3do/download/39.gif 'nuff said:D :D POOM!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kissamies Posted May 4, 2002 Share Posted May 4, 2002 Heh, good ol' Diary. I thought of that strip when reading this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pvt_Dancer Posted May 4, 2002 Share Posted May 4, 2002 I agree that it befuddles Han's character. He starts out as one of the "scum and villany" of Mos Eisley and then at the end he becomes the reluctant hero. He changes because of his interactions with Luke and Leia. Thats why Luke is so conflicted over him leaving before the end battle... because he THOUGHT that Han was different than he apperead to be. Having him shoot second makes him a nice guy all along. They did it for the same reason that Jar Jar was created. Lucas wanted to gear it for a younger audience. Though, I must add, I saw Star Wars as a young kid and I had NO problems growing up without being a psychotic. Parents knew how to raise their kids better back then... explain the world to them. Now everyone wants the media (the great babysitter) to do it for them and the media responds in kind. Blech! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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