allan14 Posted May 14, 2002 Share Posted May 14, 2002 wasn't he the Emperor instead of Palpatine? I always wondered about this. It seems to me that Palpatine was the most powerful Sith otherwise Anakin would have defeated him for the throne of the Empire right? How did Anakin lose to Obi Wan when Anakin pocesses more power? Then finally, I always wondered how Anakin dies so easily from the Emperor's energy bolts when Luke was taking them full force and he was fine. What do you guys think of this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonk-raider Posted May 14, 2002 Share Posted May 14, 2002 Jedi have better healing powers then the dark side..hence why vader was stuck in that suit luke most likely was trying to heal the damage the lighting hit em..or then again vader was mostly machine... his suit got took out by the lighting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaotic~Angel Posted May 14, 2002 Share Posted May 14, 2002 I always thought of Anakin as one of the strongest jedis out there but ya got to cut the guy some slack. for 1, he is in a freakin machine so thats got to slow him down a bit. Also the machine doesnt enhance him beyond his left glove, its a giant respirator. You've seen how much pain he was in when he tries to breath normally, the guys half dead. Oh well my two-cents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pier Posted May 14, 2002 Share Posted May 14, 2002 the answer to the question can be found in Vader's conversation with Luke on the Endor moon... "You don't know the power of the Dark Side. I MUST obey my Master." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted May 14, 2002 Share Posted May 14, 2002 The Emperor was old when Anakin was born. He is wise and deeply connected to the Dark Side, Vader had years before his mastery of the Dark Side would rival that of the Emperors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acdcfanbill Posted May 14, 2002 Share Posted May 14, 2002 maybe palpatine is just smarter than anakin... seeing him in the eps2 previews, well, he doesnt look the sharpest tool in the shed if ya know what i mean... the smart rule the stupid... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mobius47 Posted May 14, 2002 Share Posted May 14, 2002 Originally posted by acdcfanbill maybe palpatine is just smarter than anakin... seeing him in the eps2 previews, well, he doesnt look the sharpest tool in the shed if ya know what i mean... the smart rule the stupid... you mean he is a couple hot dogs short of a picknic? or that hes not the brightest bulb in the droor? a few gallons short of a pint? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaotic~Angel Posted May 14, 2002 Share Posted May 14, 2002 He's just young and niave, eventually he'll grow up into a sadistic killing machine that destroys at his masters whim. Just give em time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hikeeba Posted May 14, 2002 Share Posted May 14, 2002 Well, there's also the fact the Star Wars movies have more holes than swiss cheese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaotic~Angel Posted May 14, 2002 Share Posted May 14, 2002 Hmm reminds me of Blade II. Anyone see that? Where does the vest come from in the final battle? WTH he only had pants on then a vest appears?! Ah well people shouldnt over-analyze things to much otherwise the Simpsons would suck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaseP Posted May 14, 2002 Share Posted May 14, 2002 Hmmm, right about over-analyzing. Palpatine is more of a metaphor for the Devil then a real character (you don't find out how he was created, or his motivations for wanting to be such a B-stard), at least in the morality play that makes up the Star Wars saga. That said, I don't think Vader overcomes the Emperor because he is more ruthless than even Vader is. The Emperor is like Keyser Soze (the Usual Suspects). He is willing to do anything. Combine that ruthlessness with pure evil and you have a nearly unbeatable combination. Only someone who sticks to their guns on the other side has a chance to beat him. You can't beat him at his own game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice (Sic)kle Posted May 15, 2002 Share Posted May 15, 2002 Go to http://www.starwars.com and read about Palpatine. He is stronger than darth vader and darth maul when it comes to the Dark side of the Force, he used an ancient sith artifact to become that strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jun Posted May 15, 2002 Share Posted May 15, 2002 i thought vader was supposed to be the strongest jedi.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jun Posted May 15, 2002 Share Posted May 15, 2002 Originally posted by allan14 How did Anakin lose to Obi Wan when Anakin pocesses more power? i dont remember vader ever losing to obi-wan (that is unless he does in epII i haven't seen that yet)...the only fight btwn them is when vader strikes him down and obi becomes one with the force... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice (Sic)kle Posted May 15, 2002 Share Posted May 15, 2002 He loses to obi wan in episode III (i think). Yes vader was apparently the "strongest" jedi but the emperor cheated his way the his power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Josue Posted May 15, 2002 Share Posted May 15, 2002 Anakin can be stronger in the force but that doesn't mean it is unbeatable to a less powered jedi. Obi-wan, and the emperor had MORE knowledge or discipline, experience in the force. The emperor fooled anakin to the dark side ( we'll see this soon enough ). In the trailer of Ep 2 you can see and hear Palpatine say to anakin : " you don't need guideance Anakin. I'll see you are becoming the Greatest of all Jedi". That's mind washing to me. The problem with anakin was that he had so much potential but no one could keep up with him to teach him right. Obi-Wan failed to teach him. He admits that in the SW trilogy. Master-Josue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaotic~Angel Posted May 15, 2002 Share Posted May 15, 2002 So to set the record straight through rumors and facts gathered... - Anakin is the strongest biological jedi/sith born one with the force - Palpatine cheats his way to stronger connection through the use of an ancient rune, maybe the root to why he's so evil and the use of the rune was unintentional? who knows... - Obi most likely beats up Ani in episode IIor III when Ani slips into the Dark side of the force, or the Sith. This most likely happens because he is still not a master of the force while Obi holds years more experience - Luke, born as the son of Ani has obivously a strong connection with the force also, strongest? We don't know. He doesn't actually kill Darth Vader nor does he kill Palpatine.....so who does he kill (Master C'boath sp?)? Thats basically all I collected from this...good summary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Josue Posted May 15, 2002 Share Posted May 15, 2002 OBI WAN will kick Anakin's Butt on EP III. that's a fact. Master-Josue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabbas WhOr3 Posted May 15, 2002 Share Posted May 15, 2002 I can sense he will be very nearly dead! See the Huge Gash in his head in Empire and RotJ OMG!! he must have lost a few brain cells from that :o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jun Posted May 15, 2002 Share Posted May 15, 2002 yeah when vader takes off his mask he looks pretty messed up...i was always wondering what that was from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabbas WhOr3 Posted May 15, 2002 Share Posted May 15, 2002 I can also im..im..im..imagine that seeing as tho he has to kill off the Jedi's in III he would at least cop a few more hits from sabers..... that would also hurt...I cant wait to see him get his suit !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jun Posted May 15, 2002 Share Posted May 15, 2002 yeah i cant wait for episode III....ep II looks good but im still skeptical after phantom menace...that movie dissapointed me :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabbas WhOr3 Posted May 15, 2002 Share Posted May 15, 2002 Yeahhhh Episode I <yoda voice> "unimpressed I was! hmmmmm" "Skeptical I am....YES!" (for ep2) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonk-raider Posted May 15, 2002 Share Posted May 15, 2002 I think its trendy to say it disipointed you.. frankly i didnt have aproblem with it.. he wasnt going to blow his whole load in one ep if he is telling a story over 3 of them.. jesus christ why dont you write,driect and cast something if your such a visionary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted May 15, 2002 Share Posted May 15, 2002 Originally posted by gonk-raider I think its trendy to say it disipointed you.. frankly i didnt have aproblem with it.. he wasnt going to blow his whole load in one ep if he is telling a story over 3 of them.. jesus christ why dont you write,driect and cast something if your such a visionary Exactly. People want to be popular so they complain about it. ANH wasn't on the same level as ESB or RotJ, I imagine the next two movies will mirror that strongly. TPM had its weak points, but all things considered it was pretty cool. People were just dissapointed that they couldn't see the entire next trilogy at once, which is what a lot of them were kind of expecting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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