How can anybody like this movie??

[RichDiesal]

Originally posted by The Wanderer

 

My problem with the chace sequence in AOTC is the problem I have with most of the action sequences in that movie. It's what I like to call "obscene visual gluttony" throwing as much CGI at you as one possibly can does not a well orchastrated scene make.

 

Well, what else could they do? Just have a bunch of nondescript areas they just happen to pass? Part of that scene was to paint just how busy and overcrowded Coruscant is... that's like saying if they film a chase scene on an interstate highway, there shouldn't be any other cars because it congests the focus away from the chasers and chasee.

 

 

I guess I'm just going to have to disagree then. The movie was emotionally empty, tedious, and could have used the raw anger. Imagine watching Psycho, only right after we see Normans outline with the knife they cut to a sherif on the phone saying "yes, it was terrible, she was stabed multiple times"

 

True enough, but the raw anger hasn't come in yet... Anakin hasn't yet completely fallen to the dark side, remember. He can't just go from being that "young rebellious upstart" to suddenly being the dark lord of the sith... there has to be a transition. I believe Episode III will show Anakin's hatred in its full force (which is also what will make Ep3 a much darker movie).

 

 

There is no main character, how could you not have a problem with that?

 

There is no main character because there is so much going on simultaneously. So many plot lines are going on that everything is becoming congested and cloudy (the dark side is clouding the force) and I believe the movie was constructed the same way to construe that. Ep2 reminds me much more of the multitude of books written that are supposed to take place after Ep6. A bunch of plot lines weave in and out of each other until they hit each other in the last 50 pages or so... same concept here.

 

You don't necessarily need a single solitary main character to have a good story.

 

 

But basically, CGI does NOT look better all the time. I was watching ROTJ the other day. I think whatsherface (can't remember her name, the thin legged singer in the band at Jabba's palace) looked better before they replaced her with a digital entity. and Jabba came on the TV and I thought to myself "OH MY GOD, Jabba looks GREAT!!!" Jabba looked like a real creature, he didn't move with overly fluid animated motions. This is because, he was there, he was a real thing.

 

CGI doesn't always look better all the time, but it is much cheaper to stick with one medium than to switch it all up. Gotta remember that despite the design flaws, this is still a movie. Budget is a big part of it.

[Phaedout]

I'm not going to bother reading all the posts so what I say might already be said. George Lucas is not making these Prequels to capture the magic of the first 3 at all. I dont believe he is even trying to outdo himself, he knows as well as all true Starwars fans do that he can't ever make anything that can hold a candle to the original triology. This whole prequel thing is because he wants to! He has the money to spend and he's decided to give his devoted Starwars Universe followers the whole story of Anakin Skywalker, something I know he wished he could have done when he first set out to make Starwars back in 1975.

 

I guess all I'm trying to say, is that there is no point in comparing these prequels to the original triology as far as movie making goes. And so far, with what time frames he has to put all of the information from his original plan of Starwars into (about 2 hours each) and attempting to make it entertaining in the process, Lucas deserves a standing ovation.

 

Of course this is all my opinion, and as I would probably think that George Lucas's spit to be a work, I doubt most people will see things my way. I am a true Starwars fan, and for one is extremely overjoyed with all of the movies to date, yes even episode 1! And no I am not going to explain why episode 1 was great now.

[dorain8]

okay when any of you make a movie with such a cult following

 

i will pay attention to what you ahve to say

 

 

i love you poeple

never accomplishing anything

but always putting great things down

[dorain8]

alot of people didnt like episode 1 when it 1st came out

 

but if you watch 1 then 2

you realize that together they make a better movie

 

remember lucas is not trying to sell each movie alone

but as a trilogy then as a 6 part movie

 

JUST LIKE THE LORD OF THE RINGS MOVIES

 

and personally i think ep.2 is one of the better starwars movies

[manny_c444]

Originally posted by Vader10

 

Did you not realize that Sidious, using Dooku, was playing both sides of the fence. Sidious using another puppet ( or possibly Dooku) started creating an army 10 years before the movie to fight another army from the separatists that he helped form. So basically, Sidious had his hand in creating both armies just to start the civil war and get Palpatine ( his alter ego) unlimited powers basically making the Republic a dictatorship. The war will also be used to wipe out the jedi who are his only real enemy.

 

 

 

 

 

Really, this does explain everything fools. The movie made perfect sense the whole way through...it just left some mystery to be resolved in the next movie.

 

 

And even if Dooku wasn't need there are always 2, if Palpantine was to die no one would carry on his vision, he quickly had to recruit someone to replace Maul.

 

 

 

I really like how Lucas didn't kill Dooku...a powerful apprentice makes more sense than flashy Darth Maul.

 

 

 

Also whats with George Lucas all of the sudden using abrupt zoom ins and lengthy facial shots? I don't have a problem with, it just seems that his style is changing (for the better IMO).

[dorain8]

fair enough, it just seems awkward that they'd bring them with at all. Wasn't Owen Lars mad that Anakin stole his droid? shouldn't they have waited in the ship?

 

 

C3PO WAS ANAKIN'S DROID

he built him

[TieDefender75]

OMG! you people remind me of the real senate!

 

some of u didnt listen to the dialogue! u sat there looking at the few negative things and ignored the many positive things!

 

Dooku is there because the trade federation doesnt trust sidious anymore, sidious betrayed them 10 years ago!

 

If u said the music of ep. 1, 4,5,6 were good then this movie's music was good because they were remakes of the same songs(imperial march, duel of the fates).

 

the graphics were great, acting was ok, and the monsters were not cartoons they were compter engineered! Cartoons is what a 11 year old would make! have you ever watched cartoon network wanderer? Those are cartoons

 

imo, George has done another bang-up job!

congratulations!

[Moses]

Wanderer, I have to say that when I read your first post I was ready to rip your throat out, but when you came back on and thanked Gildion for not flaming and then wrote a response to his points I put my lightsaber away and have a new found respect for you.

 

On to the topic at hand: I don't have a problem with the acting at all. In fact, I was impressed. Hyden Christensen is wonderful, especially in the scene where he tells Padme he killed all the tuskens. You can't look at him the same way you look at the other characters. Think of his life. He never had a father (that's a huge factor in real life, so it stands to reason it was in SW too), he left his mother when he was ten years old. He is told that he is the "chosen one" and will grow up to bring the entire galaxy back into balance. That's a lot of weight put on a boy's shoulders. He then proceeds to be taught in the ways of the Force even though he's too old and has anger and fear in his heart, which are two definite reasons to not train someone. In Episode II, Anakin is constantly fighting between what he feels and what he has been taught. He loves Padme, but was told his whole life that he's not aloud to feel that kind of love. When he professes his love, he is not only letting those feelings out, but letting down the whole Jedi coucil. When he goes back to Tatooine and sees his mother die that's the last straw. He snaps and kills all the tuskens. His acting wasn't bad, but I will give you that it's different. It's a hard character to play: filled with ups and downs, and having to fit the characters of Anakin in Episode I and Vader in the classic trilogy into his personality. Hyden Christensen got the most difficult role to play of anyone, simply because of that. Regardless of how this post goes over, I have only one thing to say about him: I'm impressed.

[GidionTheDead]

Wanderer, I have to say that when I read your first post I was ready to rip your throat out, but when you came back on and thanked Gildion for not flaming and then wrote a response to his points I put my lightsaber away and have a new found respect for you.

 

Completely agreed. Beside a few of the less intellectual posts, this thread is a perfect example of how a message board should look like.

 

Wanderer:

I hope you will like episode 3 better.

Until then: Grab some bags of popcorn, Doritos, Cheetos (if you can afford a new shirt afterwards ), and lots of Coke and have a good time with Episode 2.

 

GidionTheDead

[The Wanderer]

My hopes for Ep 3 are pretty low, but at least I have two more Spider-Man films to look forward to (I'm a comic book nerd first and foremost) and soon, very soon, I will be able to afford a PC that can handle JK2, so not all is lost

 

 

Oh, BTW, reguarding Hayden, yes those Lars homestead scenes worked. Though Lucas cut away from what should have been the heart of those scenes, they were the only scenes in the movie that worked for me. My major beef with his acting is how I feel no chemistry between Ani and Padme.

 

I'm not saying it's his fault, or that the actors in the movie are bad, I just think they're all getting some horrible dialogue to work with. Han Solo worked because Harrison took Lucas' dialogue and improvised the hell out of it.

 

It's a writing problem, not nessesarily an acting one.

[netmonkey]

I liked this movie because

1) it's better than ep 1

2) I'm a sucker for visual effects (I saw it in a digital projector and it looked amazing!)

3) I just want to know what happened/happens next. I really liked the whole storyline, altough it could have been better developed, better acted, etc.

[RichDiesal]

That brings up an important point that you hafta take this movie as it is... an epic.

 

An epic is meant to be flashy and attention-grabbing. An epic is meant to have cheesy love stories that could never possibly really work - as long as they drive the plot forward. An epic is ALL about moving the plot forward, as the plot is the major force of movement through the story.

 

Underneath all that is the deeper symbolism, the cosmic battles between good and evil... but first and foremost, it's just a good story - a fairy tale in the classical sense.

 

I mean really, what drove the love stories in Ep4-6?

 

"I love you." "I know." I mean HOW DAMN CHEESY IS THAT?? And yet we've all come to accept it because it IS the original trilogy and we all hold it (most of us anyway) in such high esteem.

 

Just take the movie for what it is (a part of a much larger epic) and you'll enjoy it much more, I promise.

[Boba Fett The C]

Look guys i thought i would stop by and say a few things.

 

First of all Dooku was on a payroll from Sidious/Palpatine, to create a battledroid army and unite planets into a confederacy to create a ruckuss, the clone army was made to destroy the Confederists, therefore Palpatine could be seen to be doing the right thing and also he has a army to maintain order when he starts to enforce corrupt law. palpatine used Dooku to create an Army knowing the Jedi Knights would attack Dooku, so Dooku could destroy the Jedi Knights and get palpatine that thorn out of his side when he enforced order, this is a good plan as knowone will suspect he killed the noble Jedi (again for popularity). You see after the clone wars, not many Jedi would be left, so he could wipe them aside. He ordered Padme(who supported the army idea) assasinated so he could be seen to be noble in creating a army(again for popularity)not a bloodthirsty tyrant, when he did do it was because obi wan was captured and he got information on Dooku, so he would seem to be making the right choice, to help obi wan. The main reason he went to war on the confederists is to wipe away the trade Federation( A threat to his power)

 

 

Guys this movies a complicated piece of stuff, you'll like it if u understand it.

 

But hey im 12 and i understood it.

 

Hey i don't like Jar Jar and i don't make corney jokes about Star Wars. Most people think 12 year olds do stuff like that I Dont, im a Star Wars Fan

[doc_holiday106]

well the bottom line is that i walked out of that ****ing thing feeling a couple IQ points dumber and thirteen bucks lighter.

Not the kind of feeling you want after seeing a movie (you would at least like to know that you bling went to something mentally provacative.)

 

 

 

*his eyes shift upwards*

 

hmmm....a twelve year old can understand a movie plot that a 16 year old writer and cinema enthusiast can't.

 

There are some mysteries that will never be solved.

[Lord Jxx]

 

George Lucas is a genius. (Smarter than I am, so please forgive any misspellings) Star Wars will be one of the greatest "iconic" series of all times, bar none, but let's be frank. If EP1 and EP2 were the first two released, there wouldn't be ANH, ESB or RoTJ. I've read the complains: the acting, dialog and plot for the most part.

 

MY TAKE:

I don't feel it. I didn't care about a single character.

 

The movies are serial in nature, it's hard to care about the movie when you know how it ends.

 

Still way too much Jar Jar.

 

"I just slaughtered women & children, comfort me" What was that?

 

The Guy that directed ESB should've done this one. Yes, definately.

 

The Yoda battle was too much. So far over the top it was stupid. In RoTJ, Yoda died of old age of 940. He can't be younger than 900 in this movie. (But the Yoda animation overall was good. Except the little hovercraft scene, looked cheesy.)

 

I found my mother, she dies two minutes later.. I would rather her be eaten with her head left.

 

EP3 should be GREAT!! (PLEASE GOD!!!) They took the plot of one GREAT movie, divided into 3 movies, then saved all the best stuff for the last one. For some reason that doesn't make sense to me.

 

Was it just me, or did anyone else want to see the clone war? I wanted to see a conflict of Galactic proportions.

[Lord Jxx]

 

George Lucas is a genius. (Smarter than I am, so please forgive any misspellings) Star Wars will be one of the greatest "iconic" series of all times, bar none, but let's be frank. If EP1 and EP2 were the first two released, there wouldn't be ANH, ESB or RoTJ. I've read the complains: the acting, dialog and plot for the most part.

 

MY TAKE:

I don't feel it. I didn't care about a single character.

 

The movies are serial in nature, it's hard to care about the movie when you know how it ends.

 

Still way too much Jar Jar.

 

"I just slaughtered women & children, comfort me" What was that?

 

The Guy that directed ESB should've done this one. Yes, definately.

 

The Yoda battle was too much. So far over the top it was stupid. In RoTJ, Yoda died of old age of 940. He can't be younger than 900 in this movie. (But the Yoda animation overall was good. Except the little hovercraft scene, looked cheesy.)

 

I found my mother, she dies two minutes later.. I would rather her be eaten with her head left.

 

EP3 should be GREAT!! (PLEASE GOD!!!) They took the plot of one GREAT movie, divided into 3 movies, then saved all the best stuff for the last one. For some reason that doesn't make sense to me.

 

Was it just me, or did anyone else want to see the clone war? I wanted to see a conflict of Galactic proportions.

[Jango_Jinn]

I freakin' loved this movie! Yes, it's 20 times better than Phantom Menace. How could anyone not like the whole Tusken Raider/Anakin thing? The way Mr. Lucas decided to portray that, was awesome. It just builds up to the "I killed them all" speech. (Which is more important than just ANOTHER action sequence with Anakin killing a tribe of Tuskens) That scene was one of the best scenes in this movie. Christiansen did a fine job on that scene, I was impressed too. And I'm not a movie expert. The Tuskens killed his mother for God's sake!! In the Phantom Menace, we see (at least I did) how strong they're relationship is. Anakin promises to return and free her, and that is why she died 2 minutes later. She was waiting for him. "Now I am complete". Dies... Isn't that the #1 reason why Anakin turns to the darkside, along with the other reasons?

 

In the speech at the homestead he says that he hates them. He feels he failed her. In that whole speech, or whatever you call it, you can just "feel" the darkside oozing into Anakin's heart and mind. Then the music in the background, just intensifies that part even more. Yea, that's cardboard emotions alright. LOL

 

The other movies had it too. "I am your father" speech. The scene in ROTJ, between Vader and Luke right before he takes him to Palpatine. I felt right along with Luke and Vader in those scenes also. Mark Hamil did a fine ass job too!

 

No, I'm not one of those people who cries at movies, and I am a Star Wars fan, but not obsessed with it. Action movies are my favorite, and this one had my heart pumping 100 miles an hour. GREAT! But, George Lucas succeeded at what he was trying for in that scene for me.

 

This is just ONE part of the movie I loved, but to go down the list would be a waste of time because half of you are probably not reading this post anyways. LOL

 

Oh, and Yoda kicked ass too. (Tee Hee)

[RichDiesal]

Originally posted by doc_holiday106

hmmm....a twelve year old can understand a movie plot that a 16 year old writer and cinema enthusiast can't.

 

There are some mysteries that will never be solved.

 

Maybe when you're a little bit older, you'll understand that age doesn't necessarily matter that much in most things. And being a 16 year-old writer isn't really something to write home about either.

 

The Yoda battle was too much. So far over the top it was stupid. In RoTJ, Yoda died of old age of 940. He can't be younger than 900 in this movie. (But the Yoda animation overall was good. Except the little hovercraft scene, looked cheesy.)

 

Well, Yoda is feeble... it is only when he grabs hold of the Force that he gains such power... I mean really, think of how many people that are 60-70 years old, in perfect health for their age, and then one day, they're just dead. It just happens. Yoda holds on for as long as he can, and finally, it's just too much. Death takes hold. Nothing anyone can do about it.