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Adonai Saboath

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Iv been looking for pictures of this for a bit but havn't found any so I made my own, this shows how the hood looks at the back, notice how it points out in the non holo pick at the back and how its so big at the back it kind of folds over the robe in the hologram. I think the point isn't realy because the back of the hood is pointy ;P just because it fold over so much there.

 

http://www.magma.ca/~lcauley/Temp/Sidioushoodpoint.JPG

http://www.magma.ca/~lcauley/Temp/Sidiousbackhood.JPG

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Thanks DarExc, that second shot inspired me :D I've begun to shape the hood in the back to bunch up

 

http://www.drivingcatstudios.com/foldedhood.jpg

 

I've also hunched his neck forward like he is in RotJ, as well as brought his shoulders up to almost his neck. I am also going to make his shoulders more prominant.

 

I've got a favor to ask of one of you guys, what I really could use is a dead on side view of the Emperor. For what ever reason I cannot find a good detailed shot of him like that. I have been using the frame after the Luke-Palp exchange "Your over confidence is your weakness." "Your faith in your friends is yours!" He then turns to the side, and we get a great side shot from waist up. Let me know if any of you guys find a better and possibly brighter shot like that. I'm going for the whole nine, I want to get his body perfect, I'm getting there :)

 

CT :lightning

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This isn't to clear but it is from ROTJ. The only other time I could think of that you might get a clear view of his side is when he arrives and is walking beside Vader.

 

http://wso.williams.edu/~rfoxwell/starwars/pics/Lightning2.jpg

 

Here are a few more I made of his side, you can also see more of the back of the hood as well.

 

http://www.magma.ca/~lcauley/Temp/sidside.JPG

http://www.magma.ca/~lcauley/Temp/sidside2.JPG

http://www.magma.ca/~lcauley/Temp/sidside3.JPG

http://www.magma.ca/~lcauley/Temp/sidside4.JPG

 

Notice in the 4th one how the folds at the front of the hood don't touch the robe they kinda stick out from the side view making a gap between them.

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Hey, Nice reworking!

 

What took me hours to do before I was able to finish in about 20 mins.

 

That's great. Sure, before you were spending a lot of time paying your dues, but now you have a greater understanding. And you can apply it.

It's great to see Cheshire helping you out. Gotta love a great community.

Anyway, from the little I know about modeling, I can see what you're driving at with the poly-flow. The rework is looking nice, and I hope that you can get it to move and deform the way that you want it to. The facets on the robe seem to make sense to me, I can't quite explain it other than it looks like it has rythm, or symmetrical sense... I guess "flow".

 

Good Luck, don't forget about the Museum Exhibit (It ends July 7th) and when you can take a bit of a breather (probably not until after this model) I've got to see if I can pick your mind a little bit. Cheshire, you're Way out of my league. Right now, I'm just an artist that wants to see what I could do (as a complete noob with 3D modelling).

 

I don't seem to have any good side pics of The Emperor either.

The only one I have from ROTJ is the same one posted above. I couldn't post it anywhere though, so good job DarkExc. I'm not sure that the design of Sidious's hood in TPM is the same as ROTJ, but regardless, those are some good ref pics of the hood's folds and creases. I know that The Emperor's hood falls and folds (loosely) over the front of his shoulders.

 

Best of luck

 

-nomad

 

MTFBWY

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DarExc! Your a total life saver :D Thanks for the shots! I've almost got the hood shaped correctly now. I pushed some verts around to get that gap look. It's going to be intresting to unwrap like that, but I'll figure it out. The shots will be great for his torso as well, should be able to nail the proportions now :)

 

The arms are going to be kinda tricky, the way they blend into the robe, it might be hard to animate properly, I'll have to experment when I get that far

 

(Did this while sitting here typing this message)

http://www.drivingcatstudios.com/almostdonehood.jpg

 

I still have to shape the back of his shoulders/back of neck region, but the hood is almost finished now :D

 

Nomad, you can pick my brain anytime :) I'm sure I can answer most of your basic to moderate modeling questions. Cheshire, Sith, Kinja, they are the real experts here, I'm just trying not to screw up much :p I didn't forget about that Exhibit, I'm going to schedule time later this week. I'll be sure to bring a good camera, I want to recreate that thick cloth texture that is on the robe. :)

 

Oh, thanks again Cheshire for that sketch you make, looking at your wireframe, then seeing the sketch made something click :)

 

Really moving now :D

CT :lightning

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Nice!!

Toonces, I know that those guys are the experts :) I'm not close to being worthy or ready to bother them with my questions,

but now by the looks of it, I shouldn't be bothering you either! :p

You keep getting better and better.

 

Anyway, I'll bug you soon enough. Right now... I don't want to disrupt the roll your on. Keep going, man!

 

Tchouky's Mod is amazing! You think the Emperor's .9 or less? We''ll have to do the math and get it right on.

(.86 -.2 [for hunching]) *(10 for ultimate Sith Power) = :lightning

 

-nomad

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Excellent, the hood looks great, you sure have come a very long way with this! I find it hard to believe you havn't been making models for a long time. Now for my next bit of nit picking ;P, the clasp. I gave you the link to this before but might as well put it up for referance again.

 

http://webhome.idirect.com/~tk421/DSbrooch2001sm.jpg

 

and also this I took myself of the size of the clasp on the robe and where it sits.

 

http://www.magma.ca/~lcauley/Temp/Sidclasp.JPG

 

It looks as though its a bit larger than his mouth when its in a stait line (if that'll help) and it sits under the folds of the front of the hood at the top corners. Also it is in the shape of a rectangle but it bends inwards a few times on each side (if that is possible to do). Another thing I would sugest is to keep the robe in the closed position because if it doesn't flow it would look kind of strange and I think he would close it (like Sidious keeps it) when in battle. If you do close it just keep the line down the centre of the robe like Sidious robe has, you can see it in the above picture. If you keep it open I will help you with that look later =)

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You guys are too much :D I'm just glad somebody other than me is actually intrested in this project, keeps me going :)

 

Keep on nitpicking DarExc, I'm going to try my best to get him as accurate as possible, and there always seems to be some little minute detail that I miss, it's extremely helpful. I moved the clasp up just under the hood, looks like it's in the right position now. I made that rectangle template in about 30 seconds just so I'd have something there, it's definatly not the final shape. When I get to the exibit this week I'll take note of the shape and general depth (not to self, bring sketchbook)

 

I'm almost finished with shaping his back, I used a still frame from RotJ (that exchange I was talking about earlier) I'll post some shots when I get a little further.

 

Found a funny little pic over on the AtoC forums :)

http://www.drivingcatstudios.com/17.gif

without a doubt a fake, but cool none the less (note to Lucas, give Palp a sabre next movie, and have him fight Windu)

 

I'm also toying around with the idea of including a sabre model, I found this somewhere (I forget where)

http://www.drivingcatstudios.com/PalpCloneSM.jpg

It's from the EU I understand, and belonged to one of Palps clones (Or host body, I'm not 100% clear on that)

 

I was thinking of perhaps just making up a cool design. If someone wants to model that saber, or has a cool idea for one for the Dark Lord, give me a shout, I'd love to be able to include a badass saber with the model.

 

CT :lightning

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This is the pic of the clasp from Ep. I posted earlier: http://www.magma.ca/~lcauley/Temp/Sidclasp.JPG

 

But if you look at a pic from ROTJ, it appears to be lower: http://www.dmeb.net/speb/foryoureyes/Emperor04.jpg

http://www.dmeb.net/speb/foryoureyes/Emperor26.jpg

 

Feel free to look at that site I posted earlier... they have lots of Palpatine pictures.

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It is in about the same place, the folds still go over the corners in one pic. One thing though is that Sidious and Palpatine robes are aranged different. Personaly I prefer Sidious robe but thats just me. The new robes for the Jedi are different as well because if you look at obiwan in ANH the top of his robe is pointed.

 

If you notice the old Emperor robes were very basic and didn't even have a very big hood. I am certain the new robes will be used when they redo the Palpatine scene in ESB.

 

http://www.starwars.com/databank/organization/theempire/img/movie_sm.jpg

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Here's where I am now with the upperbody, ignore the pointy arms, I havent touched them yet

http://www.drivingcatstudios.com/hoodnshoulder.jpg

 

The robe in RotJ is extremely close to the one in TPM, I put (damn, WinDVD wont let me capture grr) DarExc pointed out the main diffrence, the robe, the clasp, it sits lower.

 

Right now I have that in the position it is in TPM. His robe doesn't have the point at the top of the head like Obi's did in ANH, but I beleive in both movies (RotJ and TPM) the hood is shaped the same way, the other big diffrence seems to be that the folded over hood slopes further down his back in RtoJ. I think I'll keep the hood like Sidious has it in Phantom and AotC, I just dig the style :D

 

It's too bad I cant take this screeny I'm talking about, it's at 1hr28:16 in RotJ. Palp is in the exact same position as the screenshot below.

http://www.magma.ca/~lcauley/Temp/sidside2.JPG

 

If I can get windvd working I'll cap it

 

Still adjusting, looking more and more like final :) Thanks guys

 

CT :lightning

http://www.drivingcatstudios.com

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Here are 3 images I got from around 1hr 38min because the time you said for me was a rebel seen *YUK* ;P. Hope these are what you wanted cause I tore my shirt pulling the VCR out the rack for these =) but Sidious will be worth it. I think the 3rd one is the clearest but you can't expect much out of VHS. Let me know when you are ready to move on to the lower part of the robes or where ever you are heading next. I still prefer the look of Sidiouses robes as well =). Also I looked at him and the clasp is in the same spot its just hard to notice in MANY scenes but if you look hard enouph you will see it. In a few shot maybe the front where it sits just get wieghed down a bit if it isn't there.

 

http://www.magma.ca/~lcauley/Temp/palside.JPG

http://www.magma.ca/~lcauley/Temp/palside2.JPG

http://www.magma.ca/~lcauley/Temp/palside3.JPG

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Nice job DarExc,

 

Those screenies pretty much match up the camera angle of your lates model screenshot, Toonces.

I do believe that's what you were looking at :lightning

 

It's nice and subtle, but I can see the slumped shoulders and the curve near the neck, just barely, beneath the hood. Very Nice looking Toonces! It's really matching up with those shots.

 

The real difference in the cloaks is that in the prequels it's nice and new. It's still stiff in places, where in ROTJ it's basically old rags. Yes, I'm looking forward to using this model.

Notice how we're not even rushing you at all. (unlike some other threads) :lightning

Take your time... slowly build your power... Out of the spot light... silently take over...

And CLAIM YOUR POSITION AS SUPREME RULER OF THE JEDI OUTCAST MODELING COMMUNITY! :lightning

:lightning:lightning

:lightning

heheheehehe...

 

wow sorry for all the lightnings... I was going to edit them out, but this page is almost done anyways. I'll leave them in All their glory.

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heh, building my power ;)

 

You nailed the pic I was looking at, I hid the windvd window in the bottem corner when I was doing the hood/back earlier, now I can put it in as a viewport background

 

http://drivingcatstudios.com/sidshood.jpg

http://drivingcatstudios.com/newfront.jpg

http://drivingcatstudios.com/71perspec.jpg

 

That second shot really doesnt do the model justice, I think it's the shader I was using, totally flattened it out. Anyway, that's where I am now, I might have the ends of his shoulders too low, perhaps I'll raise them a bit. I'm going to try and finish up the shape and size of the robe, just the torso and hips, then uvmap them, I can make adjustments once I get a basic skin on it, I just need to put something on it to get a little depth. As for the arms, they are going to be tricky, I might have to completely weight them in order to adjust them too much further

 

It's like 4am here, bedtime ;)

 

CT :lightning

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Toonces, I haven't gotten a chance to read all the new posts and look at all the new screens, but I know you are doing great. (I'm leaving to go get my driving permit now hehehe). If you have AOL or AOL instant messenger, message me at LINKER2K2 tonight. If not, my email addy is LiNuXProggy@cs.com I'd really like to talk to you.

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