Norin Radd Posted June 6, 2002 Share Posted June 6, 2002 Originally posted by Havoc Stryphe BOOK EDITOR: "We can't show Palpatine using a saber or dueling with Darth Maul so how do we explain Maul's Lightsaber skills?" BOOK AUTHUR: "Droids?" BOOK EDITOR: "Yeah, droids that's it! That'll work...fencing droids!" Oh well, at least it answered my question, even if it's on the lame side, thanks Redwing HA! That pretty much sums it up, I would think. sometimes authors take their literary license and they run with it. . .right off the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigDAN456 Posted June 6, 2002 Author Share Posted June 6, 2002 Maybe Palpatine doesn't have a saber, put sidious does??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivaj Posted June 7, 2002 Share Posted June 7, 2002 Originally posted by bigDAN456 Maybe Palpatine doesn't have a saber, put sidious does??? aren't they one in the same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havoc Stryphe Posted June 7, 2002 Share Posted June 7, 2002 Originally posted by ivaj aren't they one in the same? Yes, but, Shhhh... some people don't want to believe it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigDAN456 Posted June 7, 2002 Author Share Posted June 7, 2002 What I mean is maybe when he went by the name Sidious he had a saber but as emperor he didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havoc Stryphe Posted June 7, 2002 Share Posted June 7, 2002 Originally posted by bigDAN456 What I mean is maybe when he went by the name Sidious he had a saber but as emperor he didn't. Oh, well that's a better phrased question! But, really I think if he used a saber at one point he would have continued using the saber. In all honesty, I really think Palpatine doesn't have a Lightsaber. But only time will tell, 3 years and teh debate will be over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted June 7, 2002 Share Posted June 7, 2002 It will of course be told in 3 years......but its no fun to simply end the debate like that otherwise all our silly debates wouldn't last a minute.......I personally think palpatine has no use for a lightsaber. I mean, he uses OTHER people to get what he wants....trade federation, the separatist movement, JarJar Binks (die), he is more of a behind the scenes kind of guy...he's just sneaky as all heck. and if he needs somebody to actually fight for him, he has his apprentices.....i mean, in ROTJ, he had Vader do the fighting until luke cut off his hand, and then Palpatine didn't have anyone else to do it, but he didn't whip out a saber, he just smoked him with lightning.....Palpatine = No saber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotionMan Posted June 7, 2002 Share Posted June 7, 2002 Well if lucas wants to show sidious using a saber, a good way to do it would be like this: A Jedi finds out who palpatine is(any jedi lets say, mace or kit fisto). The jedi confronts him. Sidious then says "Ill strike you down using your own weapon" At that moment, Sidious force pulls the jedi's own saber into his own hands. Then he strikes down the jedi. I think that will show him using a saber, but without him actually owning one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frizbee Posted June 12, 2002 Share Posted June 12, 2002 If you all remember on cloud city, Darth Vader uses the force to block all of Han's blaster shots, before snatching the weapon from Han's hand. Who says that Palpatines knowledge of the force wouldn't be so wide spread that he wouldn't be able to block a saber swing. After all, a single blaster shot kills... correct? A single swipe from a light saber kills (if it is to a vital body part).... correct? So, if the force can block a blaster round, who is to say it can't stop a saber swing too... as long as your knowledge of the force is greater than that of the jedi you are fighting, you could overpower them (Much like Yoda obsorbing or reflecting Dooku's lightning) If that was true, then it could well be that Palpatine trained Maul in his saber techniques, just using the force to block each of his attacks. Lets face it, anyone (and I mean anyone) who trains from a very young age with a single weapon, will, by the time they reach adult-hood, be a master in the use of that weapon. If Maul had trained from a very young age with his saber... it would account for his abilities in saber combat. And, if he had concentrated only on saber combat, it would also explain why he used very little force... (The only time Maul uses the force is to throw the droid at the hanger bay door panel to open it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotionMan Posted June 12, 2002 Share Posted June 12, 2002 Originally posted by Frizbee If you all remember on cloud city, Darth Vader uses the force to block all of Han's blaster shots, before snatching the weapon from Han's hand. Your totally right. I agree. Although it could be cause Vader is mostly machine, and his hand isnt flesh anymore. So, if the force can block a blaster round, who is to say it can't stop a saber swing too... I dont know;) (The only time Maul uses the force is to throw the droid at the hanger bay door panel to open it) He also uses the force to push a Vengefull careless Obi-Wan into the hole. Where he is hanging for his life remember? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frizbee Posted June 12, 2002 Share Posted June 12, 2002 I thought he physically pushed him backwards or kicked him as he did to both Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon earlier in the battle.... But I'll accept my mistake... that's twice Darth Maul used the force... in that whole battle. When if you look at everyone else, they all use the force more than that in their combat.. whether it is throwing objects at their opponent, using lighting, or just simply the "push, pull and jump" (for lack of better terms) combinations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthVenom Posted June 13, 2002 Share Posted June 13, 2002 I think Maul had more powers at his disposal, but enjoyed dispatching foes with the lightsaber! He could have used the force push to send obi-wan to his death when he was hanging over the reactor.... but chose to wait! I was suprised he didnt use lightning at any time, also in OT Vader doesnt use it either. Since Vader is supposed to have the highest metichloriant rating ever why couldnt he use Force lightning? Maybe his powers were reduced when he lost a lot of his original body? - Body parts he lost must have contained a lot of metichloriants! Whatdya think!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted June 13, 2002 Share Posted June 13, 2002 Originally posted by DarthVenom I think Maul had more powers at his disposal, but enjoyed dispatching foes with the lightsaber! He could have used the force push to send obi-wan to his death when he was hanging over the reactor.... but chose to wait! I was suprised he didnt use lightning at any time, also in OT Vader doesnt use it either. Since Vader is supposed to have the highest metichloriant rating ever why couldnt he use Force lightning? Maybe his powers were reduced when he lost a lot of his original body? - Body parts he lost must have contained a lot of metichloriants! Whatdya think!? An idea I considered...except it occured to me that the wording was important. The highest concentration. This implies that it is number of Midichlorians per cell (or per whatever) and not number of midichlorians period that makes the difference. Otherwise Yoda would be very weak in the Force (less body to cram Midichlorians in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotionMan Posted June 13, 2002 Share Posted June 13, 2002 There has to be different power levels to force users. I mean I dont think A young obi-wan or a young anakin could have lifted the pillars that Dooku dropped on them. The more experianced and time you have with the force, the stronger you become. Having extra midichlorians helps too I asume;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthVenom Posted June 13, 2002 Share Posted June 13, 2002 Yes i think Vestril is right on this one, its all to do with concentration.... I agree with the experience idea aswell, its a shame obi-wan's career was cut off prematurely (isolated in hiding on tatoine), as his obvious lack of recent practice in the force/dueling cost him his life in a new hope against vader.... (or was it suicide, i can never work that one out!) - he cant have been much older that dooku was in Ep2 at that time, yet the difference in power was immeasurable.... from what we know from the films Yoda thought highly of obi-wan, to the extent that i think if he had been allowed to develop his powers as previous jedi had he expected him to become pretty powerful in later life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted June 13, 2002 Share Posted June 13, 2002 Originally posted by DarthVenom Yes i think Vestril is right on this one, its all to do with concentration.... I agree with the experience idea aswell, its a shame obi-wan's career was cut off prematurely (isolated in hiding on tatoine), as his obvious lack of recent practice in the force/dueling cost him his life in a new hope against vader.... (or was it suicide, i can never work that one out!) - he cant have been much older that dooku was in Ep2 at that time, yet the difference in power was immeasurable.... from what we know from the films Yoda thought highly of obi-wan, to the extent that i think if he had been allowed to develop his powers as previous jedi had he expected him to become pretty powerful in later life. I think it's a matter of how in tune with your Midichlorians you are, if you use the Force often, and comminicate with them, your level od integration is stronger, you can work with them more effectively, this would also explain why the Jedi want to snag 'em while they're young. A younger person's mind is more apt to be able to be molded to effectively jive with the Midichlorians, as we get older and our brains move in set patterns it would make sense that we would have a harder time learning to deal with a new aspect of ourselves... In any case, I guess what I'm saying is Obi-Wan probably had to limit how often he used the Force, so as not to attract the attention of the Empire, so it would make a good deal of sense that he would lose strength, while an older Jedi who used the Force more regularly would remain strong in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted June 13, 2002 Share Posted June 13, 2002 Obi-Wan allowed Vader to defeat him, because then he could speak to luke when he needed him most, so it was self-sacrifice. And Darth Maul used force jump a few times, those walkways were far apart, no normal human could've made those leaps. I think that physically blocking a lightsaber is not possible, however force pushing the lightsaber away from you is, so palpatine could simply force blast everyone away, and then force lightning em and laugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c.d. Posted June 13, 2002 Share Posted June 13, 2002 Originally posted by Frizbee If you all remember on cloud city, Darth Vader uses the force to block all of Han's blaster shots, before snatching the weapon from Han's hand. The shots were blocked because his hands are machines. And he couldnt use lighting because the majority of his body is a machine and we all saw what happened to him when he threw the emprorer off into the pit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icepool Posted June 16, 2002 Share Posted June 16, 2002 If it isn't obious it appears to me that Darth Sidious is Palpatine so to answer your questions Palpatine definately has a lightsaber whether he used it or not in the third movie is another question. If you would go to the book call Darth Mauls Journal you'll will read the whole life story of Darth Maul. During one of the training exercises Darth Sidious beats the crap out of Darth Maul in a lightsaber battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted June 16, 2002 Share Posted June 16, 2002 *Cough* EU *Cough* I dont try to pretend that i know what George will do, but the way he built him up, he seems to be more of a manipulator of the force, and doesn't really need a lightsaber.....he's also a manipulator of people, and his apprentices are good duelists, so i just dont see him having one......but i suppose most nobody thought that Yoda would have a saber when they saw him in the OT......and look what we see now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storm trooper55 Posted June 17, 2002 Share Posted June 17, 2002 yoda was obviously going to have a as all members of the jedi council have one and they wouldnt be members of the jedi council weve out one. :isduel: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted June 17, 2002 Share Posted June 17, 2002 yes, but after the OT.....we didn't really know that there was a jedi council, nor did we know that everyone on the jedi council had a lightsaber........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotionMan Posted June 17, 2002 Share Posted June 17, 2002 IF lucas wanted to show sidious use a lightseber, a good way would be for him to force pull one away from a jedi and say something like "Ill strike you down with your own weapon"(I already said this , I know;) ) I read these idea from somewere else: -Sidious's saber being like a staff or a Sythe, so he will look like a grimm reaper. heh Dont know if I would want to see that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy_Of_Sith Posted June 17, 2002 Share Posted June 17, 2002 I know MANY people don't think Sidious has a lightsabre, and they don't want him using one in EP III because he'll contradict himself (I think he has one). I personally don't care if he contradicts himself, I still want to see him use HIS OWN lightsabre, none of that "I'll strike you down with your own weapon" stuff. (No offense to anyone who came up with that idea, not a flame.) I really want to see Sidious throwdown. Think about it, if you ruled the galaxy with an iron fist, had immense power and was extremely strong in the force, would you really care if you were a hypocrite? I think George Lucas is saving the best for last ( a Sidious lightsaber duel.) I think Yoda fighting was a sign of lightsaber battles to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frizbee Posted June 17, 2002 Share Posted June 17, 2002 Originally posted by c.d. The shots were blocked because his hands are machines. And he couldnt use lighting because the majority of his body is a machine and we all saw what happened to him when he threw the emprorer off into the pit. Um.... NO. All droids can be taken out by a blaster shot just as easily as a person.. look at all the trade federation droids. If Vader had blocked those blaster rounds just because his arm was a machine, then his arm in turn would have been destroyed or severely damaged. As it was, not even the leather of his glove was damaged by the blaster round. Now that says to me that he was using the force to block it.... Oh and another thing... why the hell would Han have aimed for Vader's hand, if Vader hadn't used the force to block the blaster shots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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