Jedi_Monk Posted June 13, 2002 Share Posted June 13, 2002 What's the new one in TPM?...I can't think of it... I'm thinking whatever allowed him to walk along the hull of Amidala's starship... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lime-Light Posted June 13, 2002 Author Share Posted June 13, 2002 Originally posted by Jedi_Monk By that logic... The telescope in ESB... we hadn't seen that in ANH... why? Oh wait, he didn't have them! The buzz-saw he used in RotJ to escape from the Ewok net... hadn't seen that before... why? Oh wait, he didn't have them! Wake up and watch the OT--Lucas shows R2 using a new gadget in every episode! Uh....idiot. You fail to notice that Episode 2 happened before the OT. I was complaining about him having the jets in the past, then not in the future. Its cool that R2 has all those gadgets, but name me a predicament the OT characters wouldnt have use of R2 being able to fly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardian Omega Posted June 13, 2002 Share Posted June 13, 2002 Maybe the jets got jacked up when R2 was thrown up by that swamp monster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted June 13, 2002 Share Posted June 13, 2002 Uh....idiot. You fail to notice that Episode 2 happened before the OT. I was complaining about him having the jets in the past, then not in the future. Its cool that R2 has all those gadgets, but name me a predicament the OT characters wouldnt have use of R2 being able to fly. Ermmm...there is only one time where Artoo had the time to deploy them, and they would have been useful. That is in the beginning of RotJ, when he and Threepio need to get off the Sail Barge, but there is nothing that says that he could carry another droids weight with him, and I imagine that Artoo, a loyal companion if ever there was one, would rather stay with Threepio. The other simple fact is that the OT happens almost 22 years later, it's concievable that Artoo, a machine, was modified at some point, or even stripped down for parts. Here's another simple fact--it's cool. It's really easy to rationalize. Smile, enjoy it If you don't like it because you think Artoo shouldn't fly...stop pretending to be a Star Wars fan--turn on your TV, I'm sure an episode of Star Trek is on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyalGuard Posted June 13, 2002 Share Posted June 13, 2002 It doesnt feel the same as the OT, You've grown up, Star Wars hasn't. Accept that you've changed and learn to appreciate Star Wars on a different level. To all those who whine about R2 having jets, does it really matter? It occupies little screen time and allows R2 to save Amidala. There are so many ways to explain R2 not using them again that this is a really silly point to get worked up about. I hate Tim Zahn's books... blatantly... I hate them. I used to love them until the Prequels started coming out... but now I see them as the books that ruined Star Wars literature You can't write space opera (the correct genre of Star Wars). It's purely an audio-visual experience. The SW books needed to be Sci-Fi, other wise they wouldn't have worked. I can accept that they don't have the original spirit of the SW films, but that's fine because they are good books in their own right, and the fact that they advance the SW timeline and develop the characters you see on film is just extra icing on the cake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotionMan Posted June 13, 2002 Share Posted June 13, 2002 Originally posted by RoyalGuard You can't write space opera (the correct genre of Star Wars). It's purely an audio-visual experience. The SW books needed to be Sci-Fi, other wise they wouldn't have worked. I can accept that they don't have the original spirit of the SW films, but that's fine because they are good books in their own right, and the fact that they advance the SW timeline and develop the characters you see on film is just extra icing on the cake. Your points are valid and I agree with you. About the books I also agree with you. The problem comes in when you have guys hating George Lucas after they have become used to the stories in the books. They hate him cause he contridicts what they have read in the EU universe. Its mindboggling how insane that is when you have guys hating GL after they see the new SW movies come out. They somehow expected GL to maybe go to these writers and ask them "So, what happened before A new hope?" LOL he knows what happened. Its his story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyalGuard Posted June 13, 2002 Share Posted June 13, 2002 he knows what happened. Its his story. Yep, totally agree with that. If it weren't for George we wouldn't be here now, so I can let him off for trashing the continuity of a few books. It doesn't need to all fit together, just accept it all as truth 'from a certain point of view'! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi_Monk Posted June 13, 2002 Share Posted June 13, 2002 You can't write space opera (the correct genre of Star Wars). Exactly, which is why the comics blow away the novels; they only satisfy one of those senses, but you can compensate by blairing a Star Wars soundtrack on the stereo. But they also capture the fantastical feeling that the novels leave behind, especially the comics that have been coming out since the Prequels started coming out. The SW books needed to be Sci-Fi, other wise they wouldn't have worked. How do you figure? Star Wars has never been about technology, which is all science fiction is about; Star Wars is about the human (and alien) spirit overcoming technology. Vader does so when he sacrifices himself to the Emperor's lightning and then lets Luke remove his helmet... Luke does it when R2 is blasted and he refuses to use his targetting computer... the ewoks do it when they defeat the Imperials on Endor... The Emperor replaces a government that relied on people to one that relied on the threat of being destroyed by technology. True, the novels cannot capture the visual aspect of the movies, but they could go with the underlying elements, but they don't really... the technology overshadows it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotionMan Posted June 13, 2002 Share Posted June 13, 2002 Originally posted by Jedi_Monk How do you figure? Star Wars has never been about technology, which is all science fiction is about; Star Wars is about the human (and alien) spirit overcoming technology. Vader does so when he sacrifices himself to the Emperor's lightning and then lets Luke remove his helmet... Luke does it when R2 is blasted and he refuses to use his targetting computer... the ewoks do it when they defeat the Imperials on Endor... The Emperor replaces a government that relied on people to one that relied on the threat of being destroyed by technology. True, the novels cannot capture the visual aspect of the movies, but they could go with the underlying elements, but they don't really... the technology overshadows it. Interesting point. But the SW movies showcase alot of technological advancements. Thats one of the strong points of the movies, youll have to admit. And that is what has brought in alot of fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi_Monk Posted June 13, 2002 Share Posted June 13, 2002 But the SW movies showcase alot of technological advancements. Thats one of the strong points of the movies, youll have to admit. And that is what has brought in alot of fans. Yes, and the stark contrast between the mystical and technological aspects of Star Wars is what makes it so unique. What I'm saying is that there's not that kind of contrast in the books. The scales are tilted in favor of technology. But the technology is mostly eyecandy in the movies, as it should be... it at once drives but does not supercede the mythical story. The same should be said of the books, but cannot. There's a different mind-set between a fantasy and sci-fi author--the sci-fi author writes to introduce new pieces of technology and show off their scientific knowledge (Zahn nearly received a docterate in physics); the fantasy author concentrates more on the world and the people in it, they don't want to introduce incredible new technology, but are more concerned with telling a good story in the classic sense. Star Wars is not Star Trek; Star Wars does not try to explain its technological advancements with endless technobabble. Star Wars contains scientific impossibilities--the technology itself has a fantastical element to it. A Star Wars author should not concern himself or herself with spending half a book spouting technobabble trying to explain how Lucas' inventions work. He should just accept that they're there and move on with the story, keeping the technology a plot element, not the whole story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lime-Light Posted June 14, 2002 Author Share Posted June 14, 2002 It does bother me when these little toys that look neat get in the way though, like those "sonic missiles". Correct me if I'm wrong, but there is no sound in space. I can unerstand engine noises and blaser fire and such in space scene, if only to give them character, but a Sonic weapon in space? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted June 14, 2002 Share Posted June 14, 2002 Originally posted by Lime-Light It does bother me when these little toys that look neat get in the way though, like those "sonic missiles". Correct me if I'm wrong, but there is no sound in space. I can unerstand engine noises and blaser fire and such in space scene, if only to give them character, but a Sonic weapon in space? Who ever said that they're sonic missles?... It's not in the movie, I don't think it's even in the book... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichDiesal Posted June 14, 2002 Share Posted June 14, 2002 Weeeell... theoretically you could shoot out a wave of gases and then shoot a sonic wave down it really fast... Although WHY you would do that when you have blasters and lasers and such is an entirely different question... And anyway, I never saw a sonic weapon in space. Originally posted by Lime-Light It does bother me when these little toys that look neat get in the way though, like those "sonic missiles". Correct me if I'm wrong, but there is no sound in space. I can unerstand engine noises and blaser fire and such in space scene, if only to give them character, but a Sonic weapon in space? EDIT: Also, Vestril, if you're the Dragon Reborn, what Age are we in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Methedrine Posted June 14, 2002 Share Posted June 14, 2002 Originally posted by Darth Matrix Natalie Portman plainly sucked I must have missed that bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotionMan Posted June 14, 2002 Share Posted June 14, 2002 Originally posted by Lime-Light It does bother me when these little toys that look neat get in the way though, like those "sonic missiles". Correct me if I'm wrong, but there is no sound in space. I can unerstand engine noises and blaser fire and such in space scene, if only to give them character, but a Sonic weapon in space? LOL. If in fact they are "sonic missles" then your quote is correct. HOWEVER-we can go on for months disputing every single thing from star wars as being impossiblilities. This is a sci-fi film. Every sci-fi film has those;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted June 14, 2002 Share Posted June 14, 2002 like those "sonic missiles". Perhaps by 'Sonic Missiles' he means Seismic Charges? What Jango Fett used to try and eliminate obiwan? I personally thought those were very cool.....and the sound that they made was part of the coolness.....it would have been boring if they would have been silent. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there is no sound in space. I can unerstand engine noises and blaser fire and such in space scene, if only to give them character, but a Sonic weapon in space? I'm pretty sure that people who complain about scientific impossibilites that occur in science fiction movies should remember that it is science FICTION. Directors can do whatever they darn well please. If they want to have flying monkeys that live on the sun....then they get flying monkeys that live on the sun and you better like it! And also....if you give ships and lasers character, why can't seismic charges have character? Must we discriminate against them because they aren't lasers or ships? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lime-Light Posted June 14, 2002 Author Share Posted June 14, 2002 Would you be entertained by flying monkeys living on the sun (in a serious sense I mean)? The charge thingys were cool, I liked them, but I couldnt beleive it was happening in a galaxy far, far away, it was happening in a computer; it just takes away from the experience. Im not some trekkie, everything doesnt need to be realistic, but basing a weapon on a complete plain and simple-complete impossibility seems to stretch it a bit far. Seismic is relating to sound, as in an affect on matter because of sound. Sound waves dont travel in space. Its a vacuum. Radiation travels through space. It was little things like that kept me from getting into it. On the whole it was good, but the little things bothered me. I watched RoTJ today, and what I realized is that SW was never about the technology, or even the empire and the rebellion. SW is a huge mythological tale. You'd be surprised at how much of the OT relates to all the myths and ancient stories. It was interesting how everything was a metaphor to life on earth. It felt real. The prequels, so far, have abandoned that, and now rely on a series of really cool stuff, without relating so much the real world. I enjoyed it while I watched it, but after a while I forgot about all the cool stuff, and I'm left with wanting to see episode3, so that I can have faith in the series agian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted June 14, 2002 Share Posted June 14, 2002 If the monkeys did cool things, i really wouldn't care if they flew or lived on the sun.....I dont understand what's wrong with using a scientific impossibility, as you menitoned.....those TIE fighters CANNOT make their characteristic scream in space.....and the force is not scientifically possible, but without either of those, we lose a lot. And when i goto watch a movie, i dont sit there wondering if it was possible for that thing to just have happened, not even in non-sci fi movies. It's just a movie. And i really don't see how the new star wars movies are not the same thing as the old ones.....they are made by the same man, they have been in his head since 1977......i think you are reading too much into the OT than was intended...I think that the OT was supposed to be a movie about the rebellions struggle against an oppressive empire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotionMan Posted June 15, 2002 Share Posted June 15, 2002 If George Lucas had the technology back in the 70's & 80's he has now, He would have added alot more to the OT. R2 flying, coruscant, Jabba the Hut in ep1,seismic charges, ect, ect... Who knows what more. He finnally has the tools to make the films EXACTLY how he always wanted. The OT would have looked just like the new movies if he had the technology. Nuff said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted June 15, 2002 Share Posted June 15, 2002 Your point is.....well said mr Motion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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