Pada-Wan Posted June 9, 2002 Share Posted June 9, 2002 I personally think vadar would win. He is considered one of the most powerful jedi ever. Qui-Gon isn't. What do yall think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divine Spirit Posted June 9, 2002 Share Posted June 9, 2002 obviously Vader! Qui-gon even lost to Maul Divine Spirit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pada-Wan Posted June 9, 2002 Author Share Posted June 9, 2002 i made this post because some people in another thread were saying that qui-gon would whoop vadar. yeah right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabbas WhOr3 Posted June 9, 2002 Share Posted June 9, 2002 LOL !!! Absolutely rediculous! Vader would own him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi-Ghendu Posted June 9, 2002 Share Posted June 9, 2002 thing is jinn lost due to the fact of maul's dual sabers....i dont care how good a jedi is...it is difficult to defend against two sabers..as for qui-gon beating vader....qui-gon would win because the light always conquers over the dark! - i just lost to qui-gon jinn... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabbas WhOr3 Posted June 9, 2002 Share Posted June 9, 2002 Qui gon would get his hippy arm cut off and fall into a pit! I demand evidence of Qui Gons so called elitenessness! And I expect you want to see evidence Vaders Ownage capabilitites! sadly I cannot. just personal opinion if that counts for anything here in this swamp Vader is badass he would show no mercy! he would have been hacking at the Little Red Forcefeild door generators to try and get to qui gon in EP1 faster! Qui gon sat on his but and got Skewered with a REd Hot Rod! OMG it sounds SICK!!! but alas true poor qui gon lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qui-GONE Jinn Posted June 9, 2002 Share Posted June 9, 2002 Qui-Gon would definitely win...because of Vader's reduced mobility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabbas WhOr3 Posted June 9, 2002 Share Posted June 9, 2002 Oh no more of you Qui lovers lol HELP I NEED VADER FANATICS!!! Join me in defending Vaders Total Package! Saber Master! Best Starfighter Pilot! Saber throw Whor3 and ALl round........errmmm BADASS!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russk Rijann Posted June 9, 2002 Share Posted June 9, 2002 Vader is one of the most powerful persons in the Star Wars universe and was only beaten in combat by his son Luke Skywalker becasue Luke is one of the most powerful Jedi (if not the most powerful) in the star wars universe. Vader would squat Qui-Gon like a bug! Vader is the the supreme Dark Lord of the sith...Qui-Gon is a hippe! Happy hippe hunting vader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_FinnSon Posted June 9, 2002 Share Posted June 9, 2002 Qui-Gon would probably beat Vader after long, intense duel. He was one of the last (real) old time Jedi and his moves were finetuned(remember, Count Dooku was his master). You have to understand that because of his young age and aggressive training, Maul was way too fast(and had lightstaff of course) for Qui-Gon, who was something like 60 at the time of his death. Besides, it seems to me that Qui-Gon expected almost fair fight, but was surprised when Maul instead knocked him briefly with the handle getting a chance to make finishing move. Vader on the other hand, is really powerful using the Force, BUT slow dualist because of his armor and kybernetic implants which restrict his movement too much; we probably won't see him striking down Jedis (in Episode III) in duel, but instead it must be Anakin before his transformation. What keeps him going is the fact that he is a pure killing machine, so he won't stop until you have sliced and diced him down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qui-GONE Jinn Posted June 9, 2002 Share Posted June 9, 2002 Hey you mainstreamers! Qui-Gon is cool! And he would "own" (as you guys probably would phraze it) Vader's ass! Vader's nothing but a cripple, you know, and the only ones we have proof that he beat was an eighty years-old man and an untrained boy!! Nuff said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qui-GONE Jinn Posted June 9, 2002 Share Posted June 9, 2002 What Finnson said! Very good post. to-the-point and everything. thumbs up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russk Rijann Posted June 9, 2002 Share Posted June 9, 2002 Originally posted by Qui-GONE Jinn Hey you mainstreamers! Qui-Gon is cool! And he would "own" (as you guys probably would phraze it) Vader's ass! Vader's nothing but a cripple, you know, and the only ones we have proof that he beat was an eighty years-old man and an untrained boy!! Nuff said. And there is the hundreds of Jedi he wipes out as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qui-GONE Jinn Posted June 9, 2002 Share Posted June 9, 2002 If I am not TOO dreadfully mistaken, I think that the only thing we know for sure is that Obi-Wan says that Vader helped the Emperor hunt down and destroy the Jedi... we don't know if he was already in his armour and all that. I for one think that Anakin turned to the Dark Side, killed all those Jedi, and transformed into the black armoured knight that we all love AFTERWARDS...like, Obi-Wan's final lesson to him or something... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_FinnSon Posted June 9, 2002 Share Posted June 9, 2002 And there is the hundreds of Jedi he wipes out as well I doubt he does that alone. Like I said in another thread, there's Confederacy's droid armies which slaughter huge amount of the Jedi during intense battles, clonetroopers/stormtroopers who probably kill last remaining people who oppose Emperor later on, Boba Fett who still wants to avenge his "dad's" death, Aurra Sing(who must be in Episode III because she was seen briefly in TPM during podrace), who can wield lightsaber because of her earlier training to be a Jedi, Count Dooku who alone can probably take out few of the Jedi and ONLY last, but not least Anakin/Vader. Like I said, as Vader he is overally too slow to duel againts "pure" Jedi like Mace Windu and only using his awesome Force powers can probably beat this master, BUT before his transformation, Anakin is quick/powerful enough to kill many of the Jedi only to be stopped by Obi-Wan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi-Ghendu Posted June 9, 2002 Share Posted June 9, 2002 lol damn finnison has got this thing won! anakin at the current moment in the movies is very poerful but a lil immature and lacking in wisdom. When he becomes vader he loses alot of his ability with saber , although the force is powerful with him, one must still look at the fact of his armor and how it might slow him down! GO QUI-GON! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russk Rijann Posted June 9, 2002 Share Posted June 9, 2002 Since when is Vader slow with his sabre skills? The only reason he seems slow is that he is dueling Luke using a strong sabre style and Luke is aslo a strong style duelist like. For all we know Vader could of been doing kung Fu kicks and MAD sabre moves after he is encased in his armour! And I think during the final years of hunting down Jedi Vader did kill allot of them though proabably in 1v1 style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Nine Posted June 9, 2002 Share Posted June 9, 2002 How do you think Vader got some of his injuries that required cybernetics? Just from that supposed "lava pit fall"? If he was indeed killing Jedi 1x1, then he must've gotten hurt. He may have triumphed, but not without a price. At his state in the Original Trilogy, I think Vader would be beaten by Qui-Gon. Vader's style is more a bludgeon-y style than the flash and finesse of his youth as Anakin Skywalker. The only reason Luke is able to overcome him is his strong tie with the Force that allows him to dodge half the attacks Vader throws at him and to beat back the other half. Against an experienced saber combatant like Jinn, Luke would be hacked to pieces. Qui-Gon spent years of training with the lightsaber and as such, honed himself into one of the strongest Jedi fighters. Vader, by virtue of his brute strength and command of the Force, is able to overcome his physical shortcomings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murdoch Posted June 9, 2002 Share Posted June 9, 2002 If Vader could he probably would skip and jump as much as luke did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi-Ghendu Posted June 9, 2002 Share Posted June 9, 2002 rogue- nine you bring up a very good point but whether or not qui- gon could hack luke to pieces is a different story...i think it would be a close fight but the winner i could not say... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedi3112 Posted June 9, 2002 Share Posted June 9, 2002 I think qui-gon would win, Vader could only kill Obi-Wan in epIV because Obi was almost with pension in that dual but I think if you put Anakin instead of Vader Anakin would whipe Qui-gon out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obi-Doo Posted June 9, 2002 Share Posted June 9, 2002 Qui-Gon would have won. Actually, even the old Obi-Wan would have won against vader. Remember that Obi only got killed bcuz he gave up bcuz vader was cheating (he got tons of stormtroopers ready 2 shoot Obi). And Jedi3112, I dont think Anakin would have beat Qui-Gon either. Count Dooku didnt only beat Anakin once in episode 2, he beated him twice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JandoFett1842 Posted June 9, 2002 Share Posted June 9, 2002 Vader!!!! Qui Gon and Vader are both old guys, but Qui Gon is a wimp (no offence ment)! Vader would laff at Qui Gon and gust fight a long time to tire him out and finish him, with a clean swipe in the stomock. Like Maul! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERLEN Posted June 9, 2002 Share Posted June 9, 2002 Ha! Of course it would be Vader! The most powerful villain of all time would easily dispatch a second rate character like Qui Gon. 'Nuff said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkjedi0078 Posted June 9, 2002 Share Posted June 9, 2002 I actually don't think we can ever compare any of the jedi we see in the old trilogy with those of the prequels... As you see most of the battles in the old trilogy, the lightsaber combat was more similar to ancient sword fighting and fencing techniques... Both opponents stood their ground and strategically too strikes at their opponents and parried the strikes... basically playing a game of chess with swords... looking for a weakness or opening to make their deadly strike... You see Vader and Obi engage in an intense duel in ANH... I use this example because it is primarily the only time we see Vader actually serious about defeating his opponent... remember... he was out to capture Luke alive and turn him towards the dark side... no kill him... Both standing, facing each other face to face... We see Vader using more of a power style than Obi... Vader's swings consist of powerful diagonal motions, partially due to the immobility of his suit... His helmet and heavy shoulder pads in his armor suit restricts his movement of his arms, not allowing him to raise him arms above his head very well... Obi's saber style is center and direct... giving him precision in his control and providing the best defense for Vader's powerful blows... Vader's moves provided more of an opening, but his skill with the saber and the force, not to mention the added protection from his armor suit, allowed him to take those added risks... We see Obi provide some powerful and fancy moves of his own, but we soon see the affects of age on him and he soon becomes content to hold his ground... Obi, with his centered stance, was able to provide precision defense and could stand there all day deflecting Vader's blows, just waiting, and hoping, for Vader to leave a careless opening which he could then strike a deadly blow in an instant... Obi realized that the duel was pretty much at a stand still, and later decides to let himself become one with the force... Reflecting on the duels we see in the old trilogy, we never see hardly any of the fancy moves that we see present in the prequels... This could be mainly due to one of two things... Their age has played a big affect on their bodies and they can no longer perform the acrobatic moves that we see in the prequels... This could certainly apply towards Vader and Obi when we see them fight... but this doesn't explain Luke... We hardly ever see Luke do any of the fancy flips or spins that we see the young Obi and Anakin do in the prequels... or even Yoda... I know everyone stood in awe of how fast Yoda was able to move and perform the acrobatic moves... These both provide a conflict... The next possibility could lie in them not having the technology to do all the fancy moves that we see in the prequels in the old trilogy... We all know that the technology back then in no way compares to what they can do now... So we would never really be able to see what exactly they could do in the old trilogies unless they were to be remade with the new technology in the saber scenes... Now let's move on to Jinn... From the stances and techniques we see Jinn use each time he picks up his saber, we see a man who is very skilled in saber techniques... As mentioned above, he was the Padawan of Dooku, and we see some similarities in his technique... Jinn uses and old style... His style is strong, and well centered... He has very fast reflexes as we see in his confrontations with Maul... His stance is strong and controlled, and his age and experience gives him the knowledge of how to use the saber, and not take unnecessary risks that we see the young Anakin and Obi take time and time again... His stance allows for great control for defense, as well as offense... His fight with Darth Maul was truly phenomenal... It not only takes great skill to fight against a single bladed light saber, but even more to dodge a double bladed one... Maul was able to counter the momentum of Jinn's parry from one blade right into his next blow with his other blade, and in the meantime... Jinn had to provide not only offense, but even more defense... Not even Obi could handle Maul's double saber alone... He makes a desperate shot at the hilt of Maul's blade to sever and separate the blades to even the odds... Without doing so, we probably would have seen Obi suffer the same fate as his Master Jinn... Jinn, on the other hand, doesn't fall to the saber blade... Jinn falls to a cheap shot that Maul delivers with the hilt of his blade... Too busy concentrating on the blades, this move catches Jinn off guard... stuns Jinn... and provides an opening for a finishing move for Maul... As for the Vader versus Jinn discussion... From the standpoint we are now... both would be fairly equal... Both are masters of the blade... We don't know Jinn's actual force capability and knowledge, but assuming that he is a Master and who he trained under, we can only assume that it is substantial to balance the two out on those terms... or at least come close to doing so... Both have excellent reflexes... Vader uses a power technique while Jinn uses a more fluent one... But neither leaves their guards down for openings... Jinn does have some more mobility, or so it would seem... We don't know the full extent of Vader's mobility as I explained above... If Jinn does have more mobility, that would mainly play a roll in lighter glances with his saber... this would kill a normal jedi... But it takes a hard, solid, well-placed hit to go through Vader's armor... So this should provide a balance there... So... if you ask me... They are pretty much at a stalemate... and the match could go on and on... The victor would boil down to who makes the first mistake... My appologies for the long article... Just thought I'd add in my two cents... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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