fett storm Posted June 9, 2002 Share Posted June 9, 2002 Its real clever how the star wars films piece together, but theres one thing that I cant work out. Why did jango create the clone army for the republic/jedi? Wasnt he meant to be a "bad guy"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Nine Posted June 9, 2002 Share Posted June 9, 2002 He didn't. He was the template for all of the clones. The Geonosians (sp?) created the army for the Replublic, ostensibly on Palpatine's orders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted June 9, 2002 Share Posted June 9, 2002 Originally posted by Rogue Nine He didn't. He was the template for all of the clones. The Geonosians (sp?) created the army for the Replublic, ostensibly on Palpatine's orders. I'm confused by that remark. As I understood it the Geonosians created the Battle Droid Army for the Seperatists, and Jango Fett's clone army was orded built by Count Dooku (under the guise of the dead Sifo-Dyas) for the rebublic. This was because he was working for Sidious (Palpatine) who wanted the Rebublic to go to war so that he could gain more power in the Senate, and as an added bonus kill many Jedi in the war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotionMan Posted June 9, 2002 Share Posted June 9, 2002 Originally posted by Vestril I'm confused by that remark. As I understood it the Geonosians created the Battle Droid Army for the Seperatists, and Jango Fett's clone army was orded built by Count Dooku (under the guise of the dead Sifo-Dyas) for the rebublic. This was because he was working for Sidious (Palpatine) who wanted the Rebublic to go to war so that he could gain more power in the Senate, and as an added bonus kill many Jedi in the war. Well you all fail to say that the Kaminoans created the clone army. who was sifo-dyas? Only lucas knows. other than that, you have it correct vestril. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Nine Posted June 9, 2002 Share Posted June 9, 2002 Yeah...I got it messed up. The Kaminoans made the clone army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotionMan Posted June 9, 2002 Share Posted June 9, 2002 Originally posted by Rogue Nine Yeah...I got it messed up. The Kaminoans made the clone army. No problem, im still getting used to all the new alien races names myself;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted June 9, 2002 Share Posted June 9, 2002 Well I saw no real need to say that the Kaminoans created the Clone Army, since it was fairly evident in the movies, but now that I understand 9's error, I can see why I should have had it in there Also, my speculation as to the identity of Sifo-Dyas seems to be the most likely, far more likely than it being Palpatine in disguise (wonder where he finds the time to lead dual lives and train a Sith Apprentice...), or that it was some sort of Jedi Council conspiracy. What else could it be? (honestly curious ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obi Posted June 9, 2002 Share Posted June 9, 2002 Well, syfo-dias was a jedi. Here is what i think: Dath Tyrannus/Dooku are same person(duh) So That is that. I think Dooku used the name Sifo-Dias and pretended he was a jedi to go to kamino and tell them to make a clone army for the republic(under the orders of Darth sidious). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotionMan Posted June 9, 2002 Share Posted June 9, 2002 Originally posted by Vestril Well I saw no real need to say that the Kaminoans created the Clone Army, since it was fairly evident in the movies, but now that I understand 9's error, I can see why I should have had it in there Also, my speculation as to the identity of Sifo-Dyas seems to be the most likely, far more likely than it being Palpatine in disguise (wonder where he finds the time to lead dual lives and train a Sith Apprentice...), or that it was some sort of Jedi Council conspiracy. What else could it be? (honestly curious ) Your right dooku is a major candidate to be sifo-dyas. about sidious not having alot of time to do alot of things...Maybe he has a secret technique. Sith force time freeze;) well Sidious/Palpy is always in coruscant. Thats why he uses people to do his bidding. Also he always comunicates via the hologram message thing. So he is mainly always in Coruscant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted June 11, 2002 Share Posted June 11, 2002 It makes much sense for Dooku to be the Sypho Dias impersonator.....one, Jango was hired by a man named Tyrannus off of one of the moons of Bockden, so dooku obviously knew they needed a template for the clones...also it makes sense, because that way news never gets back to the Jedi council, and had obi wan not found them, Palpatine could have created his army, and nobody would have ever known that they were clones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveDallas Posted June 11, 2002 Share Posted June 11, 2002 Maybe Syphos Dias and Dooku were the only Jedi to grasp the true threat from the Dark Side. Unable to convince the Jedi counsel, they broke away and started this Clone Army, knowing one day it will be needed. So they start it years before its needed because if they wait until Palpatine reveals himself as the head bad guy, it would be too late to start. Maybe that's what Dooku was referring too when he tried to convert Obi-Wan. Remember, Sith is 2, master and apprentice. So when Dooku was trying to convince Obi-Wan and also offered to save the remaining Jedi's lives (very un-sith like), if he was really working 100% for the Dark Side then this doesn't fit. (A) there would be too many Sith, and (B) it isn't sith-like to try to save the lives of the Jedi in that stadium. So maybe Dooku and Dias started this clone army, knowing that in a few years it would be needed to combat Palpatine. just some wild-arse speculation on my part Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted June 11, 2002 Share Posted June 11, 2002 The problem with that of course.....is that Dooku is working with palpatine, and is not against him, i think he knew for sure that Obi Wan wouldn't join him, he told him what he did to start causing problems and confusion in the Jedi. Sypho Dias was dead before the clone army was created Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveDallas Posted June 12, 2002 Share Posted June 12, 2002 But does Dooku know Palpatine is the ultimate bad guy or is he dooped. I think it would be much more interesting plot twist if he was duped or working as a double-agent. Remember that he left the Jedi "10 years ago" which is around the time of Episode I which is the point in time the Jedi realize that the Sith have returned. So maybe he has a fake falling out with the Jedi and is working under cover. What I don't remember, since I've only seen Episode II once, is what Palpatine is wearing at the end when Dooku returns to Corisant. Is he dressed like the Palpatine the senator, or Sidious the Sith? And I don't think he told Obi-Wan that so he can stir the pot in the Jedi, because he plans on killing Obi-Wan. Like I said... it's just wild-arse speculation. Just throwing something out to chew on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotionMan Posted June 12, 2002 Share Posted June 12, 2002 Originally posted by SteveDallas But does Dooku know Palpatine is the ultimate bad guy or is he dooped. He knows he is a sith lord. He told Obi Wan. "The Republic is being controlled by a powerfull lord of the Sith" What I don't remember, since I've only seen Episode II once, is what Palpatine is wearing at the end when Dooku returns to Corisant. Is he dressed like the Palpatine the senator, or Sidious the Sith? He was dressed as Sidious. And Dooku called him "My master" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveDallas Posted June 12, 2002 Share Posted June 12, 2002 Ah... I remember the republic being controlled by the sith part, but that didn't automatically mean Palpatine. It could mean the burocrats "the true rulers of the Republic"... But if he was dressed like Sidious, that pretty much blows my "Dooku dooped" theory out of the water. I'm trying to take my wife into seeing the movie again, but she wants to see Spiderman first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted June 12, 2002 Share Posted June 12, 2002 This should clear up any confusion, it's from Starwars.com http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/palpatine/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clone142 Posted June 12, 2002 Share Posted June 12, 2002 Originally posted by fett storm Why did jango create the clone army for the republic/jedi? Wasnt he meant to be a "bad guy"? Well obviously Palpatine is playing both sides; as Palpatine he is the leader of the Republic and as Darth Sidious he leads the Separatist movement (via Dooku). Ultimately though he wants to rule over the entire galaxy and crush all resistance, be it the Separatist, the Republic or the Jedi so he needs the tools to do it. At this point in time (Episode 2) as Supreme Chancellor, his (political) powers are limited so he needs a large conflict so that Palpatine can be given emergency powers and control of a Republic army. So the clone army is in fact used by the "bad guys" and the Jedi are just completly unaware of what's going on (and remember that Yoda and Mace were astonished at not even having sensed the clone army existence because it's creation had been hidden thanks to the darkside). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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