Bobo Fart Posted June 19, 2002 Share Posted June 19, 2002 Ok people, as you all were probaly thinking. NO! this is not to really do with JKII this is to do with Ep6 ROTJ. Luke is SUPPOSED to be on the LIGHT SIDE, am i right? but when he is entering Jabba's palace those pig looking guards get chokked by look using force grip! Now isnt that a little SCREWY when Grip is a DARK move and LUKE is on the LIGHT SIDE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boba Rhett Posted June 19, 2002 Share Posted June 19, 2002 I'm not entirely convinced that he was using grip but even if he was, I've always considered Luke to be the "re-inventor" of the Jedi order. After all, he's kinda making things up as he goes. I'm going to send this to the Swamp. yoink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfmanNCSU Posted June 19, 2002 Share Posted June 19, 2002 Plus, by then he was still unbalanced between light and dark. It was not until the end (after hacking off vadar's hand) that he realized that he was becoming dark... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clem Posted June 19, 2002 Share Posted June 19, 2002 2 things! 1. theres no force "powers" its how u manipulate matter the powers were designed for the games 2. its not what u do its how u do it ... he didnt kill the guards just distracted them so he could get past Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted June 19, 2002 Share Posted June 19, 2002 I'm not entirely convinced that he was using grip but even if he was, I've always considered Luke to be the "re-inventor" of the Jedi order. After all, he's kinda making things up as he goes. I'm going to send this to the Swamp. yoink. They both slump back and grab their throats, what do you think he was doing:confused: Anyway, there are no 'powers' in the mainline Star Wars Universe. A Jedi's control over the Force allows him, among other things, to move objects with his mind. A human throat is an object, and with fine control, a Jedi can place pressure on it like a hand choking. So...to say that there are no Light or Dark powers is somewhat incorrect, because Force Lightning is a directly Dark Power, it causes pain and suffering and a Jedi would have no use for such a weapon.... In any case, them fact that Luke chokes the guards doesn't say that he has crossed the line, he does it from a place of calmness. If he had attacked them, out of rage and fear, then he would have been in the Dark Side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clem Posted June 19, 2002 Share Posted June 19, 2002 or u could read what i said .... add a few words and post it again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted June 19, 2002 Share Posted June 19, 2002 Originally posted by Darth Clem or u could read what i said .... add a few words and post it again You left out some important points, I didn't really think your post explained the matter in great enough detail... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clem Posted June 19, 2002 Share Posted June 19, 2002 its ok vesty (as i shall now call u) im just fed up of repeating "THERE ARE NO FORCE POWERS" the games are good but they irritate me by giving people this impression Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jizuko Posted June 19, 2002 Share Posted June 19, 2002 Or maybe!! he used mind tricks to lure them into thinking that they are being choked Or maybe Vestril is right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dath Maximus Posted June 19, 2002 Share Posted June 19, 2002 Vesty HA HA HA!!!! Thats a good one. Now then he actually causes the guards to choke themselves is what actually happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted June 19, 2002 Share Posted June 19, 2002 Oy...you could also go by my other nickname...Pestril. Being born with the name Vestril isn't all it's cracked up to be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dath Maximus Posted June 19, 2002 Share Posted June 19, 2002 HA HA PESTY!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chastan Posted June 19, 2002 Share Posted June 19, 2002 My mission here is accomplished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pvt_Dancer Posted June 19, 2002 Share Posted June 19, 2002 Man, this topic comes up like once a week. The whole "there are no real force powers just The Force" topic... Wish someone would make a sticky about it. Hehehehe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zindell Posted June 19, 2002 Share Posted June 19, 2002 That would be no fun. Don't you like typing the same paragraph over and over and over. I know I do. That would be no fun. Don't you like typing the same paragraph over and over and over. I know I do. See sometimes I just get carried away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Xavier Posted June 22, 2002 Share Posted June 22, 2002 hehe well back on topic I think grip isn't a darkside power if you dont abuse it like much of the darkside, say like if you used grip to th point of death then that is evil but if you just give somone a mild throat infection its not evil. Anyway this baisically sums up the whole what is a good and bad force power question: "The Force is traditionally broken down into two unique aspects Dark and Light. Yet the question is often asked, "is the Force really so polarised?". If the Dark and Light sides of the Force are like two sides of one coin then there would be no confusion. However the Force is an energy field, and such cannot be classified in this way. The force in essence is pure energy neither good nor evil; these are sentient concepts and are injected into the force by conduits or wielders of the Force. Therefore we should not consider the Force as Light and Dark sides, for the Force cannot be classified into such opposing categories." some guy worte this dunno who Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotionMan Posted June 22, 2002 Share Posted June 22, 2002 Luke wasnt trianed as a Jedi since childhood. He got like a half-asses lesson from Obi-wan and a half ass lesson from Yoda. He was like a dark jedi i guese. Meaning he had charecteristics of both light and dark. I mean He did choke those guards.Also look at the clothes he wore in ROTJ, when he believed he was a Jedi knight: all black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zindell Posted June 22, 2002 Share Posted June 22, 2002 Jedi knights only wore brown and sometimes green brecause thats what they were told they could wear by the council, Seeing luke existed in a time where there was no council he was free to wear whatever color of clothing he wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterD-LeyAmas Posted June 22, 2002 Share Posted June 22, 2002 Luke at the beginning of RotJ, is NOT a Jedi, simply a force sensitive in training (a strong one at that). Yoda tells Luke that he will not be a true Jedi (he will not have mastered his feelings) until he confronts his father, and come to terms with him. So this leaves two possibilities: a)He just "tricks" them into thinking they're choking Which means that he IS using an entirely light side application of the force. OR b)He does kill the guards by choking them to death Which means that he is just a Jedi-in-training that is allowing his dark feelings to overcome him. Jedi can use dark powers without being actual Sith. But to murder is a breaking of the Jedi code. Basically it's as if a chivalrous night were to kill his enemy by sneaking up and stabbing him in the back. He's still a knight, he just screwed up, and broke his moral code. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chastan Posted June 22, 2002 Share Posted June 22, 2002 Originally posted by MasterD-LeyAmas Luke at the beginning of RotJ, is NOT a Jedi, simply a force sensitive in training (a strong one at that). Yoda tells Luke that he will not be a true Jedi (he will not have mastered his feelings) until he confronts his father, and come to terms with him. So this leaves two possibilities: a)He just "tricks" them into thinking they're choking Which means that he IS using an entirely light side application of the force. OR b)He does kill the guards by choking them to death Which means that he is just a Jedi-in-training that is allowing his dark feelings to overcome him. Jedi can use dark powers without being actual Sith. But to murder is a breaking of the Jedi code. Basically it's as if a chivalrous night were to kill his enemy by sneaking up and stabbing him in the back. He's still a knight, he just screwed up, and broke his moral code. Hey didn't necessarily kill them, they might have choked but not necessarily to death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterD-LeyAmas Posted June 22, 2002 Share Posted June 22, 2002 Either way- "A Jedi uses the force for knowledge and defense, never for attack." -Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kit fisto JK Posted June 22, 2002 Share Posted June 22, 2002 why do you guys have to sort the force powers into light and dark powers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-[MotU]-Lyger|=- Posted June 22, 2002 Share Posted June 22, 2002 GUYS!!! the force is the FORCE, there is no LIGHT and DARK powers, FORCE is FORCE, you see kyle using lightning and choke and ****, and he's a lightside Jedi. Jedi Masters are masters with the force, just because you dont see lightside jedi using choke or lightning doenst mean they dont know how to use it. it just depends on weather the jedi decides to use the various force powers or not. its all thanks to stupid ass JK I that the force was seperated into "Light and Dark" powers. i think JKII has the best explaination for that guys answer. Jedi use the force in what ever ways they need or must use it for good or for bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterD-LeyAmas Posted June 22, 2002 Share Posted June 22, 2002 They're not necessarily light and dark "powers" Kit Fisto, but they are certainly light and dark manipulations of the force. "A Jedi uses the force for knowledge and events, never for attack." -Yoda A Jedi is both morally, and by the code of the Jedi Order, bound to never use the force to inflict pain and suffering, or to attack another being. A Jedi uses the force to anticipate his enemies' next move, to derive physical strength, and to defend him/herself in battle. When Tyranus shoots bolts of searing lightning, or vader chokes an admiral to death, these are obviously applications of the force that only a Sith would partake in. This is what makes them dark "powers". On the flip side, when Yoda absorbs Tyranus' lightning, and even reflects it back, this is a defensive move that only a higher level Jedi would have the training and discipline to execute. This is what makes other "powers" light side ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterD-LeyAmas Posted June 22, 2002 Share Posted June 22, 2002 And Lyger, Kyle is NOT a lightside Jedi. In the time period of the games, he is not a Jedi, rather a force user that has not recieved training in the ways of the Jedi. Someone CAN use the force without being necessarily bound to either the Jedi or the Sith; however, Jedi training teaches the force user to keep their emotions in check, as all emotions have the potential to lead to hate, and hate is what leads a force user to use the force to attack, or in other words, the dark side. Kyle is actually a rare exception. He stumbled upon the Valley of the Jedi, which gave him a strong connection to the force, but he also struggles with the dark side, as we have witnessed in Jedi Knight 1/Mysteries of the Sith. Aside from EU writings that take place after the games, Kyle is never an official Jedi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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