Most Powerful Jedi

[BlackDove]

Luke is stronger only because he went about the way to learn about the Jedi ways through the living force, instead through learning the actual fighting skills...That was also what made Yoda so powerful...

 

And Yoda was about to kill Tyranus...we should all know that...

 

Also we know what kind of a level was Anakin when he fought Dooku. He was ALREADY on the 3rd fencing level, however Dooku won only because he has practised that way for a much longer time than Anakin (look at the movie, they are doing the exact same moves and countermoves to eachother). However he went the wrong way about training...

[Zindell]

I fully understand the whole sith religion... but in essence they are still A dark Jedi but a different religion. It's probably like chriistianity, you got Catholics Prodestants, Anglicans... anyways the point is people were trying to exclude them from this and I was trying to say that they should still count.

[MasterD-LeyAmas]

Luke may have learned better methods through the living force, but I still think that if you're going to talk about power, you have to talk about the strength of the connection to the force, which has to do with the amount of medichlorians in the blood.

 

But, I suppose that through training, Luke may have been able to manipulate the force better than his father sometime down the road. But obviously not by the end of RoTJ.

 

As far as the Emperor, or Sidious; sure, he was powerful, but Anakin was more powerful than his Master. By the time Anakin is turned to the dark side fully as Darth Vader, his mind is completely under the control of Darth Sidious. As he says to Luke in RoTJ, "I must obey my Master." Well, he really means it.

 

That's why Sidious wants to recruit Luke, because of the power in the Skywalker bloodline. Anakin by that point is aging, and Luke is young blood.

 

But when it comes right down to it, as far as the story of Star Wars goes (Episodes 1-6), Luke is not more powerful than his father.

[Yoda_623]

I think that Mace Windu is pretty powerful.

[gonk-raider]

Originally posted by Obi-Doo

 

 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

 

If Luke had played JKII he would have been considered as a newbie. The young boy has only half the power of the good jedis, like Yoda, Qui-Gon Jinn, Mace Windu and Count Dooku.

 

 

sure.. farm boy luke but im sure hes reffering to jedi master luke

[Jedi-Ghendu]

my pick for strongest is anakin......anakin solo! By age 16 he has seen more than most jedi have ever seen and is considered to be one of the top jedis in EU! so POW!

[Ryaken For]

Guys, for this to be fair, we need to decide on what time period we're taking these people out of. Anakin isn't at his full strength in Episode II, it's not the height of his power. I could say Luke Skywalker from ANH could kick Yoda's ass as he is dying. Ep. III Obi-Wan could kick the new born Yoda's ass any day of the week.

Maul could kick Ep. I Anakin's ass. See? There isn't a real answer...It's all one huge opinion that is easily contradicted.

[Tiran Dev]

Give Solo a lightsaber, and all hell breaks loose,..

 

Question,..did Leia ever learn how to use a lightsaber??

 

My serious answer would have to be Luke,..the man has lived through three movies and dozens of books over a time period that will last probably forever. Luke Skywalker will never be portrayed to die in any novel,..because the series would then collapse real quick. Luke learned to control his anger very quick,..and in the novels is portrayed as a jedi Master very early on. Luke Skywalker is THE jedi.

[Bungalow]

Anakin Solo would have been the strongest but

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He dies

ahahahaha

 

Dooku wasn't only defending, he took couple of swipes at Yoda that almost nicked him as he was jumping around like a monkey

 

Leia does get a saber, but all she can do is deflect, she's a padawan

 

Why do you all think that Dooku got owned, and that Yoda was gonna finish him

Dooku was playing defensive

he didn't even backstep, if he did move back then, ya maybe he was losing,

but he stood his ground

Yoda was like what 800+ years old, a little longer and that green midget would have tired out lost the force and be crawling around looking for his stupid cane

end of story, if Dooku wasn't scared of the other two getting up, then Dooku would have owned Yoda

Exar Kun rules

[MasterD-LeyAmas]

Hey if ya love Dooku so much, why don't ya marry him?

 

Sorry, just felt it had to be said.

 

Dooku was putting up a good fight, but all in all, he was loosing. A few more seconds of Yoda's barrage of attacks, and he would have been toast.

[MasterD-LeyAmas]

Originally posted by Ryaken For

Guys, for this to be fair, we need to decide on what time period we're taking these people out of. Anakin isn't at his full strength in Episode II, it's not the height of his power. I could say Luke Skywalker from ANH could kick Yoda's ass as he is dying. Ep. III Obi-Wan could kick the new born Yoda's ass any day of the week.

Maul could kick Ep. I Anakin's ass. See? There isn't a real answer...It's all one huge opinion that is easily contradicted.

 

This is partially what I'm saying. You can't take into account that Luke beat down Vader, or that Yoda whooped Dooku. The only thing we have to go on is which one of them has the strongest connection to the force. Scroll back up and read my other threads to see which force user I'm talking about.

[Zindell]

When they were at they're peak of ability all of them. Don't set a time period just set that they were all at peak performance.

 

Sidious wanted luke because he was young blood and he senced vaders weakness once he discovered about his son. Remember it was vaders Idea to turn him, only because he didnt want to kill him.

 

What if he could be turned to the darkside

 

Yes he'd be a powerful ally

 

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Plus after the lava incident that turned him to be vader his Midichlorian count became a whopping 13,000 when it was originally 27,700

 

[MasterD-LeyAmas]

Okay Zindell, now I really need to know, where do you know the ind. medichlorian counts of the different characters from? Not to mention... lava???

[Zindell]

Trade secrets my son.

 

 

 

 

Anakin becomes vader because he falls into some molten lava

 

[Master-Josue]

Luke is powerfull.

 

He started Jedi training around the age of 18 (too old by Jedi Counsil standards) but any way got to jedi Knight-hood quickly. And after Master Yoda Died, Luke keep learning by himself the ways of the force. He went to the Darkside and back. Becoming a Master Jedi in his early 30's . Oh yeah Luke is Powerfull in the force.

 

Also don't you think that if Anakin had the highest count of midiclorians then Luke been his son would have also a high count?

 

Master-Josue

[Zindell]

Yes and no, his count was not as High as someone concieved of medichlorians. Also because badme was not unique with the was of the force both him and his sister did not have extremly high counts.

[Obi-Doo]

I think people are forgetting about Qui-Gon Jinn here.

 

Bet you all think "haha, that newbie got his ass kicked by maul, haha", but Jinn was very strong in the force. Correct me if wrong, but wasnt he the first one who used the living force? Anyway, only Qui-Gon was so strong in force that he saw that the kid was going to get balance in the force, both Obi, Yoda and the rest of the council did not want to train him. He was also very skillfull as a jedi master. He lost only because Maul was specially trained in double-sabering.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Zindell]

Yes Qui-Gon dwelled in the living force. That's why he believed so much in Midichlorians and Such. Because of his belief in the living force he was considered radical and was not requested to be a member of the council.

 

it's not that the others didnt believe that anakin was the chosen one, they were not 100 percent sure what that meant. They sensed evil in anakin, fear and hate. Maybe they knew that with so many Jedi and so very few Dark Jedi balance could only mean one thing. Less Jedi. Who knows.

[XtremeForce]

Originally posted by Fossil25

saber throw would be cool

 

You can throw your saber.....

Press the secondary weapon while having lightsaber out...

[Bungalow]

That was a mature remark MasterD-LeyAmas, what are you 4?

Sorry I had to get that out

 

Exactly where does Yoda show that he is going to deliver the finishing blow on Dooku?

All I saw was a fight where Dooku held his ground while yoda spun around like a headless chicken

Yoda needed the force to move that fast, and I'm pretty sure that he doesn't have an unlimited amount of force, without the force, he can't even walk properly. If he ran out of the force then he'd be defenseless.

MasterD-LeyAmas point out to me exactly how Dooku was losing

[BlackDove]

Ok, for the ignorants...the scene that was cut held the fight to resolve, by Yoda coming over Dooku's head, Dooku being defencles at that time (also, I think he was fighting with two lightsabers then), and Yoda saying "The end for you, Count, this is". Then Dooku would break that pillar, and Yoda would be forced to pull back his lightsabre and save Anakin and Kenobi...So basically Dooku broke that pillar to save himself, one way or the other.

 

That is why 3 episodes later, Yoda asks of Skywalker to complete his training rather then go and save his friends. It was a mistake Yoda did, and he didn't want it to be repeated because he himself had a choice. Kill Dooku or save his friends. He thought that killing Dooku would have been the wiser choice... Which is probably true (better), considering the circumstances. However then again, we don't know how (if) the Sith would be destroyed, because Anakin would be dead...

[Zindell]

Yeah So there... Is that Cut scene gonna be in the DVD or something?

[MotionMan]

Maul would have been the strongest if he had more time to develop. My predictions(aside from the EU stuff)

 

 

Darth Maul vs. Count Dooku/Darth Tyranus:

 

Maul faught Obi-Wan and Qui-gon at the same time! Dooku faught Obi wan and Anakin-yes I know, BUT not at the same time.

Maul did it at the same time and was winning. He even kicked Obi wan with a sith power kick:). Thats how he got left behind. Anyhow after Maul had Qui gon 1 on 1- Qui gon was history. Obi wan was a gonner too vs. Maul 1 on 1. Maul had him beat, but he was arrogant messing with Obi wan, taunting him. Maul knew he was better. I mean he had just killed his master(Qui-gon), who had to be better than Obi wan at the time.

Darth Maul would have his way with Dooku. Dooku is used to fighting 1 on 1, while Maul can take multiple ememies at once.

Plus Dooku is old. He would tire after a while. I mean Qui-Gon is younger than Dooku and Maul had Quigon sitting down resting in the energy doors, while Maul paced around without a sign of fatigue. Dooku would be tierd real quick fending off Mauls attacks. He would eventually let his guard down. Then slice and dice.

WINNER=MAUL

 

Darth Maul vs. Darth Vader:

 

Maul would have taken out Vader too. I mean A n00b force user and cough*Jedi*cough Luke had Vader beat. Maul would strike Vader twice as fast and furious as Luke did. And Maul wouldnt have stoped after he took off Vaders hand like luke did.

WINNER=Maul

 

Darh Maul vs. Darth Sidious:

 

This would never happen. Maul is 100% loyal to Sidious. You could say Sidious is like a father to him. Sidious trained Maul since he was a kid. Maul was the closest thing Sidious had to a kid. Dooku was old. Sidious took him as an aprentice so Dooku could do his dirty work. Vader also. He needed Vader. I dont think Vader veiwed Sidious as a father figure. This is proven when he goes against the emperor and saves his son.

Sidious Molded and raised Maul to his likeing. He made his into a pure Evil Sith Lord. He was basically a fighting/killing machine. He was Sidious's enforcer. Unlike Dooku and Vader-who also were like generals comanding troops and stuff. (Dooku was leading the seperatists and vader was like a general). All of Maul purpose was an enforcer. He even rarely spoke. He was trained for combat, nothing else. Sidious knew that he could take out Jedi knights. He even told him "they should be no match for you my young aprentice". If Maul didnt die. Sidious would have taken over as Emperor much sooner. Mauls death just delayed his plans.

WINNER= no winner.

[MasterD-LeyAmas]

Allow me to counter with some facts, MotionMan:

 

Maul vs. Tyranus-

Maul fought Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan so good because he was trained strictly in dueling with the Sith dual-bladed saber. You'll note that we never see Maul shoot lighting, or use the dark side to choke anyone. The most we see him do is throw a battledroid, and push Obi-Wan. All of his force energy is concentrated on dueling.

 

Maul vs. Vader-

Yeah, Vader got beat down by Luke, but wouldn't you if you were 45, on life support, and made of patchwork mechanical parts? Not to mention, you're WAY underestimating Luke at that point. Sure, he was no Jedi Master, but he was the most powerful Jedi by the time of RotJ.

 

Maul vs. Sidious-

Yeah, you can say that this would never happen, but if it did, Maul would start jumping around, swinging his saber, then Sidious would fry his arse with some lightning.

 

I agree, Maul was very cool, he brought a whole new aspect to the Sith, and he was the first force user we saw to ever exhibit any real martial arts skills. But he was by far not the most powerful.

[MotionMan]

 

Maul vs. Sidious-

Yeah, you can say that this would never happen, but if it did, Maul would start jumping around, swinging his saber, then Sidious would fry his arse with some lightning.

 

You see how easily Obi wan blocked Dooku's lightning?

With a double bladed saber this would be pulled off even easier by Maul.

 

 

 

I agree, Maul was very cool, he brought a whole new aspect to the Sith, and he was the first force user we saw to ever exhibit any real martial arts skills. But he was by far not the most powerful.

 

And I said IF he had time to develop more.