MasterD-LeyAmas Posted June 22, 2002 Share Posted June 22, 2002 WHY do you want to be me??? And what's up with ripping off all my info??? Do you have a disorder??? Wannabe-idis??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterD-LeyAmas Posted June 22, 2002 Author Share Posted June 22, 2002 aaaarrrrrgggg.... summoning all my will power to control my anger. ...anger leads to hate, hate leads to the dark side... dark side taking over.... Must KILL D-LAY!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Territo Posted June 22, 2002 Share Posted June 22, 2002 Luke is definitly stronger then Vader. Vader may have held back because he didn't want to kill his son but Luke didn't want to kill his father. Luke had the upper hand when he was just defending and Vader couldn't stand up to Luke when he went on the offensive. One thing that bothers me about StarWars is how Dooku and Yoda were so old yet so powerful. Ok they became stronger in the force over time, I can go with that but then how could Qui-Gon lose to the younger Darth-Maul and Obi-Wan was able to beat him. In Episode 4 Darth Vader said to Kenobi that his powers are weak. At first I thought this was from age but I now believe it was from lack of using the force for so many years. Anyway here is my order for the strongest Jedis in the movies (at their peak). I base this more on their knowledge of the force and how they use it, less on sabering. 1.) Darth Sidious - He was able to conceal himself right in front of the Jedi Council. He trained many and has been around for a long time. Manipulated Anakin. Oh yeah, he uses lightning. 2.) Yoda - Over 800 years old and still kicking. One of the highest medichlorines ever. Trained many and has been using the force for such a long time. Slight edge on Dooku. 3.) Dooku- Been around for awhile, trained by Yoda and was master to Qui-Gon. Led an order to bring apart the Republic. Proved he was stronger in the force and a better saberist to the Epsiode 2 Obi-Wan and Anakin. Anakin may surpass Dooku in sabering in Episode 3 but never in the force (I know Anakin has a higher medichlorine count but Dooku has been training for much longer and Anakin doesn't live long enough. Lightning =-P 4.)Mace Windu - Not too much to go on but he was pretty much second in command in the council next to Yoda so I would assume he be pretty high. 5.)Luke Skywalker - Trained for probably the shortest amount of time yet the high lvl of medichlorine in his blood made him very powerful very quickly. Trained by the great Yoda and Ben Kenobi. Proved he was more powerful then Darth Vader by Return of the Jedi and his abilities have only improved there after. 6.)Darth Vader - Wipes out the Jedi Order and has the highest medichlorine count ever in a life form (Its possible Luke and Leia may have an even higher amount since Luke was able to defeat him.) Trained by Obi-Wan and Darth Sidious. 7.)Obi-Wan - His peak most likely will be Episode 3 so we'll see then (this is more based on Episode 2). He was no match for Dooku in Episode 2 and his powers became weaker in Episode 4. Had he kept training he may have been around Windu's level. 8.)Darth-Maul - This was a thinker to put Darth-Maul above Qui-Gon but Darth Sidious trained him and said he was well trained. Obviously Maul was a much better saberist then Qui-Gon even with the single saber since Qui-Gon was all out of breath after their first brief encounter. I know I said less on sabering but the force is during sabering as well :-/. Its close. Obi-Wan surpasses Maul by the time of Episode 2 and most definitly by Episode 3. 9.)Qui-Gon - Very knowledgeable and decent saberist. Obi-Wan surpasses him and Qui-Gon calls him a much wiser man then himself. Trained by Dooku. Probably has more knowledge in the force then Darth Maul but it seems the age factor in the StarWars universe didn't kick in for him. Qui-Gon seemed to be more diplomatic and a speaker. . . . 100) All those Jedi who died in Episode 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterD-LeyAmas Posted June 22, 2002 Author Share Posted June 22, 2002 Okay, I've calmed. Territo, you have got most of them in place. -Qui-Gon was wise, yet not a fighter. -Darth Maul was extremely well trained in dueling -Obi-Wan was a very well-balanced Jedi Knight, and he does manage, somehow, to beat Anakin in Ep3 -Mace Windu, one of the best Jedi Masters on the Council -Dooku could possibly take Windu (that's up for debate, seeing as we have not seen enough of Windu's abilities) -Yoda is by far the most experienced Jedi, and has one of the highest connections to the force; however, between him and Sidious, it is really hard to say. They are almost at opposite ends of the force scale, and the ways of the lightside are not to be underestimated, either. What you are forgetting, though, is the power that runs through the Skywalker bloodline. Anakin was conceived by the will of medicholrians, and as stated in Ep1, has a higher count of them in his blood than Yoda (which directly correlates to the strength of connection to the force). You also can not say that Luke is stronger than his father because he laid a beat-down on him. When Anakin suffers the trauma that puts him in his life-support suit at the hands of Obi-Wan in the next movie, his near death cuts his medichlorian count nearly in half, severly weakening his connection to the force. If he was powerful in the OT as Darth Vader, think about Vader X 2. And, genetically speaking, Luke cannot have a higher medichlorian count than his father, as Padme is not particularly force-sensitive, and has only an average medichlorian count. This would make Lukes medichlorian count genetically more diluted than Anakin, who was pure. As far as Palpatine vs. Luke OR Vader, he feared them. He knew that they were the only ones (yes both of them) that could possibly destroy him. Anakin, by the time he becomes Vader, is completely under the control of Sidious. As he says, "I must obey my Master.", and he really means it. This is also why the Emperor tries to turn Luke, so that he will have a young-blooded Skywalker under his control, not the aging Anakin. The Emperor also says in the OT that if Luke cannot be turned, he will be destroyed. That is, again, because Sidious knows that Luke can defeat him. I'm going to have to say that your list should be re-arranged to look like this: 9)Qui-Gon 8)Darth Maul 7)Obi-Wan 6)Mace Windu 5)Darth Tyranus 4)Darth Sidious 3)Luke Skywalker 2)Yoda 1)Anakin (at his height, before he is crippled and turned into Vader) Any counter-points are welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterD-LayAmas Posted June 23, 2002 Share Posted June 23, 2002 Originally posted by MasterD-LeyAmas Do you have a disorder??? Hey, chill out dude. I don't have any disorders. I can prove that if you want. By the way, I'm gonna come onto your Yahoo soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCanr2d2 Posted June 23, 2002 Share Posted June 23, 2002 Midi-chlorian count cut in half? That's a new one.... Midichlorians, as a theory in Star Wars is better suited to the parts per million reading, rather than an absolute... I agree with the lack of training with Obi-Wan, he would be rusty at many of his skills, which no doubt whilst a yonger Jedi would've used on a regular basis. He didn't use them for about 15-18 years, so I say he would need some practice to become efficient with the Sabre again........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyth'emos Posted June 23, 2002 Share Posted June 23, 2002 his near death cuts his medichlorian count nearly in half, severly weakening his connection to the force. 2)Yoda 1)Anakin (at his height, before he is crippled and turned into Vader) I doubt that his "near death" cuts his medichlorian count by that much, and he was also very young then so I think that Anakin's height was after he became Vader despit the loss of medichlorians. And I also believe that when compared at the height of each Yoda would easily beat Anakin/Vader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterD-LeyAmas Posted June 23, 2002 Author Share Posted June 23, 2002 I have exact numbers of the medichlorian counts, if you'd like. Zindell (which I haven't seen here for a little bit), provided a list of all the medichlorian counts for all the major characters in the Star Wars storyline. And yes, it was at least cut down by an amount significant enough to say that he was definitely NOT as powerful when he was Vader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dath Maximus Posted June 23, 2002 Share Posted June 23, 2002 have you been to supershadow.com? Admit it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterD-LeyAmas Posted June 23, 2002 Author Share Posted June 23, 2002 Ahh, well I have now. At least now I know one place where people may be getting some of the information you can't find on starwars.com... However, you may want to ask Zindell where the medichlorian info cam from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dath Maximus Posted June 23, 2002 Share Posted June 23, 2002 Heres a list Anakin Skywalker = 27,700 Darth Sidious/Palpatine (with Kyber Crystal) = 20,000 Yoda = 17,700 Shintor Beerus (ancient Jedi Master) = 14,250 Ce Ce Denowai (the most powerful female Jedi) = 14,000 Ben(Jhon) Skywalker = 14,000 Anakin Solo (NJO) = 13,700 Count Dooku/Tyranus = 13,500 Obi-Wan Kenobi = 13,400 Kaja Sinis (the first Jedi) = 13,250 Darth Vader (after falling in the molten pit) = 13,000 Luke Skywalker = 12,500 Mace Windu = 12,000 Darth Maul = 12,000 Exar Kun (Dark Lord of the Sith during the Sith War)= 11,700 Darth Seer (Founder of the Sith Order)=11,200 Mara Jade = 11,000 Darth Sidious/Palpatine (without Kyber crystal) = 10,700 Tylus Liv=10,700 Jedi Master Corran Horn( from the New Jedi Order series of Star Wars novels) = 10,700 Darth Bane = 10,500 Joruus C'baoth=10,350 Darth Imperius (Darth Sidious' Master) =10,300 Plo Koon=10,300 Tahari Vehlia (NJO) = 10,300 Jedi Master Kam Solusar (NJO) = 10,100 Qui-Gon Jinn = 10,000 Leia Organa Solo = 10,000 Average Jedi = 10,000 Naga Sadow (Dark Lord of the Sith that fled to Yavin 4)= 9,400 Jedi Master Adeus Hust = 9,300 Jacen Solo (NJO) = 9,000 Jaina Solo (NJO) = 9,000 Jedi Master Cihgal (NJO) = 9,000 Darth Rage (Sidious' apprentice after Darth Maul) = 9,000 Jedi Master Tionne Solusar (NJO) = 8,500 Dezar Looger (Dagobah Dark Jedi)=8,400 Xio Jade = 7,400 Aurra Sing= 7,000 Need To be Considered for Training as a Jedi= 7,000 Padme Amidala = 4,700 Danni Quee (NJO Jedi Scientist)= 4,500 Shmi = 3,300 Lando Calsarrian = 1,500 Boba Fett= 1,500 Han Solo = 1,500 Jango Fett = 1,500 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lime-Light Posted June 23, 2002 Share Posted June 23, 2002 Lando Calrissian? Since when were the last 5 on the list jedi? And where did you get this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dath Maximus Posted June 23, 2002 Share Posted June 23, 2002 I got it at a site called http://www.supershadow.com/ the site is fairly acurate as to whats to happen. 99% of the spoilers were true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterD-LeyAmas Posted June 23, 2002 Author Share Posted June 23, 2002 I see. Yes, that's the list I received. I'll have to give Zindell some s**t for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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