Irishman26 Posted June 24, 2002 Share Posted June 24, 2002 the myth thing was that Anakin would bring balance 2 the force. The council either misread the myht or something because anakin would not bring balance but his SON would, therefore the myth has 2 be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklighter Posted June 24, 2002 Share Posted June 24, 2002 The council to an extent were right. Anakin eventually destroyed the Emperor, his master, and realised the good in him. I get what you're say, that Luke heavily influenced Anakin's final decision, but it was Anakin who saved himself and Luke, and ultimately the rest of the universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lime-Light Posted June 24, 2002 Share Posted June 24, 2002 Yup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padawan Andy Posted June 24, 2002 Share Posted June 24, 2002 Word Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old_Ben Posted June 24, 2002 Share Posted June 24, 2002 Didn't he bring balance by killing the Jedi and have two light jedi and two dark jedi left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterD-LeyAmas Posted June 24, 2002 Share Posted June 24, 2002 That he did, Old_Ben. Most people are always saying that the prophecy of "bringing balance to the force" meant that evil would be destroyed. But if you think about it, the force is terribly out of balance at the time of Ep1/2, as there are numerous Jedi, and only 2 Sith. My thought is that the council actually have misinterpreted this prophecy as well. Anakin himself is responsible for the annialation of most of the Jedi Order, leaving behind only Yoda and Obi-Wan, which leaves the count at 2 - 2 (dark - light). When Anakin kills Sidious, then dies himself, everything is back to zero, and begins again with Luke. Just my thoughts on the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklighter Posted June 25, 2002 Share Posted June 25, 2002 Also the 'bringing balance' applies when Anakin (vader) kills Ben Kenobi. This then left rising jedi Luke and Yoda, and Vader and the Emperor - balanced! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotionMan Posted June 25, 2002 Share Posted June 25, 2002 The force is as old as the universe itself. It excisted before humans or creatures of any kind. Bringing balance doesnt have to do with how many siths or Jedi there are. That cant be so. Just cause you even out or eliminate them to be ballanced doesnt mean that there arent millions of other force sensitive people around the universe. Just cause they arent full Jedi or Sith(Titles created by humans or other living species)doesnt mean that other strong force sensitive people exist somewere. Jedi and Sith are ways of life created NOT by the force but by humans/aliens. If you believe in the even #'s theory then they would have to go around the entire universe(not just in the galaxy that starwars takes place in)killing off any force sensitive beings. It is impossible to bring ballance to the force by using this method. You think the force is confined to this small area of the universe? The force is everywere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklighter Posted June 25, 2002 Share Posted June 25, 2002 Good point, hadn't thought of that. So the whole prophecy was massively wrongly interpreted by the Jedis, that it didn't mean anything... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted June 26, 2002 Share Posted June 26, 2002 I dont think anybody really knows what it means to bring balance to the force.......however i think it involves removing the sith, because the sith severely unbalance the force.......the jedi's ability to use the force has been weakened by the sith, yet the sith are still unaffected......just my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle d'Tana Posted June 27, 2002 Share Posted June 27, 2002 Originally posted by Old_Ben Didn't he bring balance by killing the Jedi and have two light jedi and two dark jedi left. That theory is logical. little changes: I mean didn't bring balance to the force with killin all jedis and finally left Luke as the one good jedi? I mean the force is now in balance and will begin from new..???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uber Sith Posted June 27, 2002 Share Posted June 27, 2002 I also beleive that as well but look at this way. the forceis only balanced when there are none........or 1....when vader killed palpatine...he left only luke .....the only jedi left...he choose the good path to create a balance.. my theory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kryllith Posted June 27, 2002 Share Posted June 27, 2002 Originally posted by ET Warrior I dont think anybody really knows what it means to bring balance to the force.......however i think it involves removing the sith, because the sith severely unbalance the force.......the jedi's ability to use the force has been weakened by the sith, yet the sith are still unaffected......just my opinion I see it as more of a Yin-Yang effect. Right now (Episode II) there are many more Jedi than Sith (and possibly Dark Jedi, though that hasn't been expressed in the films so I'm not worried about them). Since the Jedi accentuate the Light side and the Sith accentuate the Dark side, and since the Jedi vastly outnumber the Sith, the sides are currently unbalanced. As for MotionMan's argument about other Force sensitive species in the universe. *shrug* Going by the law of averages it's possible (even probable) that they balance each other out, which puts it right back into the hands of the Jedi/Sith. Besides, this goes outside the canon of the movies. Lucas doesn't focus on Force sensitive species, but he does focus on the Jedi and the Sith. If he plans on explaining the whole "balance" issue then it makes sense that he would focus on the people who contribute most to the balancing (or unbalancing) of it. Of course, Ep III isn't out, so who knows. Maybe he'll throw a curve ball into the mix. Kryllith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted June 27, 2002 Share Posted June 27, 2002 But it seems to me that with just 2 sith in the picture, the Force has been thrown kind of into a loop. The Jedi cannot use the force as well anymore, but the Sith can. The Jedi cannot see into the future, but the sith can....not very even it seems to me.......but we really won't know until ep III Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FratBoyTX Posted June 27, 2002 Share Posted June 27, 2002 I find it interesting that the Jedi viewed by all to be the most wise (Yoda) has yet to mention Anakin's relation to the prophecy, or even the valadity of the phrophecy. To me, that, along with the council's reaction in TPM to Qui-Gon's declaration of Anakin as the "Chosen One" indicates that not all Jedi beleive in the phrophecy, possibly to the point of the "phrophecy" being false. Let's not forget the Qui-Gon was a rogue that defied the council. It is possible that the phrophecy came from Sith/dark-side lore taught to him by Dooku. I could be WAY off here, but just some things to consider when viewing the phrophecy situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotionMan Posted June 27, 2002 Share Posted June 27, 2002 I wasnt talking about EU. I wouldnt mix the 2. Ill have to agree with ET Warrior on the fact that having having at least 2 sith around totally messes up the Jedis use of their force abilities. The dark side begins to cloud everything. This is what could mean to bring ballance. To eliminate the Evil/darkness in the force. The force is a living thing right? Midiclorians are microscopic organisms that let us know the force exsist. Midiclorians comunicate with the Jedi. They have to know that something is up with this dark pressence. *That pic of Eeth Koth that you use for your avatar FratBoy looks like Eeth has a "What the hell do you want" face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kryllith Posted June 27, 2002 Share Posted June 27, 2002 That's conceivable. But it's also conceivable that the shift of power has been in the hands of the jedi for so long that the clouding of their vision is one effect of the balancing... Kryllith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
covenant_bad Posted June 28, 2002 Share Posted June 28, 2002 what i find strange is that even with a sith lord and apprentice the light side find them very strong in the force (e.g clouds the force) but when there are lightsabre duels all the jedi are more or less equally matched. Arguably Dooku was much more powerful than Anakin but generally i think the sith should be shown as stronger in the films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted June 28, 2002 Share Posted June 28, 2002 The Dark side, by it's very nature clouds the force. When someone that has great powers in it is around, it causes unbalance. It doesn't mean that these sith are more powerful than the jedi, just that they are using the darkside and clouding the Jedi's vision. Even Yoda says that the darkside is not stronger From ESB Luke: "Is the darkside stronger?" Yoda: "No..Easier, more seductive" Luke: "But how am i to know the good side from the bad?" Yoda: "You will know" Thus it's just a measure of the Siths powers in the darkside....compared to the Jedis power. Being a sith does not automatically make you tougher than jedis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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