I wonder...

[MotionMan]

I wonder if...

 

Jabba the huts race can be force sensitve and become a Jedi.

Imagine a Fat Jabba Jedi.

 

I wonder if uninteligent creatures in the SW universe could be force sensitive.

Like an Antelope. Lets say the mom is trying to protect his young child. In all the adrenaline and fear the antelope force pushes the predator away.

[Rogue Nine]

Hutts seem resistant to the Force...as in when Luke was unsuccessful in convincing Jabba to free his friends. They might be able to manipulate the Force in that way and others...but becoming a full fledged Jedi? I can't see a Hutt that way.

[MotionMan]

He wasnt resistant to the force. Mind tricks only work on the weak minded. Jabba the hut isnt weak minded , thats why it didnt work on him.

[ET Warrior]

It would make sense that Hutts COULD become Jedi...i mean, the force exists in all life, so why wouldn't they be able to? Now them moving around and doing flips like a jedi.....no..Or even using a lightsaber effectively with those stubby arms.....no. But they could move stuff and such.

[Kyle d'Tana]

*AMEN*

 

PS: you got it guys!!!

[Kryllith]

Was Watto strong-minded? He seemed to imply that the reason he couldn't be mind-tricked was because of his race. Is his entire race strong-minded, or are there just some species out there that aren't susceptible to various Force powers?

 

Kryllith

[MotionMan]

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Quote from StarWars.comWatto is a stout, blue-skinned Toydarian, with rapidly flapping wings that keep him hovering at about a meter off the ground. The craggy-toothed merchant not only has a knack for haggling, but also cannot be affected by Jedi mind tricks.

 

He isnt affected by Jedi mind tricks. That doesnt mean that his race cannot have force sensitive members.

[MotionMan]

I Wonder what would happen if you dipped your light saber into water, or drew it out under water.

 

The closest thing Ive seen from the movies, is were Obi-Wan is fighting Jango in the rain. The saber seems unafected though. Maybe the drops evaporated as soon as they hit the blade. But under water is a whole different story.

[ET Warrior]

An interesting question, and one that we really can't answer.....if you decide that EU reasons are acceptable...you cannot have your saber on when you are underwater in JKII, because it won't work.

 

Although there is a point in the movies where we perhaps get an idea of what happens.....because in episode 1, when QuiGon first meets JarJar we see ObiWan running from a STAP because his lightsaber...i believe fell into some water and shorted out. I'm not entirely positive..they didn't explain it in the movie, only in the book.

 

Edit- if you just dipped the blade in i imagine that the water would begin to boil. Because QuiGon caused the blast door on the Trade Federation ship to melt rather quickly

[Kryllith]

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Originally posted by MotionMan

 

He isnt affected by Jedi mind tricks. That doesnt mean that his race cannot have force sensitive members.

 

That wasn't the question though. We know that Watto can't be mind-tricked, and he seems to imply that it's a racial attribute. Main reason I'm asking is because you said Jabba couldn't be mind-tricked because he was strong-minded, and I was wondering whether this was the case (I agree he has a strong mind) or whether it's a racial attribute of Hutts that they can't be mind-tricked. Whether there can before Force-sensitive Toydarians (or Hutts) is beside the point I'm questioning.

 

Kryllith

[Sgt.BF]

I don't like this idea of 'force sensitive' people, or loads of alien jedi, for that matter. It just smells like EU to me. Jedi are jedi, normal people are normal people and aliens are aliens. And yoda wasn't really a jedi, more of a wise old monk.

 

Of course, the NT ruined all that... :' >

[AgentSmith]

The jedi started out as monks studying the Force ... but that's EU so.

[ET Warrior]

It seems Toydarians as a race are not susceptible to mind tricks....otherwise watto would not have said "What, you wavin your hand like you're some kind of jedi? I'm a toydarian, mind tricks donot work on me, only money."

 

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Originally posted by Sgt.BF

I don't like this idea of 'force sensitive' people, or loads of alien jedi, for that matter. It just smells like EU to me. Jedi are jedi, normal people are normal people and aliens are aliens. And yoda wasn't really a jedi, more of a wise old monk.

 

Of course, the NT ruined all that... :' >

 

Well force sensitive people are the people that were found and trained by the jedi. And Loads of alien jedis.....lets look at Jedi we've seen...Plo Koon, Shaak Ti, Ki Adi Mundi, Oppo Rancicis, Yoda, Evan Piel, Yariel Poof, Kit Fisto, Yaddle, Coleman Trebor, i could go on.....not a single one of those i mentioned was a human...And Yoda WAS a Jedi...from obi wan kenobi in ESB "You must go to the Degobah System, there you will learn from Yoda, the Jedi master who taught me." And We saw yoda pull Lukes X-wing out of the swamp in ESB as well.

[FratBoyTX]

The real question is why mind-trick works. It would seem to me that Watto resisted b/c his motivations could not be manipulated. The same goes for Jabba. However, with Jabba's butler (EP VI) and the stormtroopers (EP IV), their motivatons were ones that could be altered by the force. Watto wants only money, and Jabba money and power. As the light side of the force (we've yet to see a dark-side user mind trick) has no motivation towards those, they cannot be manipulated.

[Sgt.BF]

yoda was the exception that proved the rule. He was alien cos that gave him a more mysterious ancient feel to him (allowing him to be 900 years old etc.).

 

Little green monks studying the force thousands of years ago is fine, I like that.

 

Yoda's was kind of 'special character' type. C'mon, how much would his character have benefitted in the new films if all other jedi were human? It would have made him so much more special. But that's not really the problem I'm thinking of. As soon as non-human jedi become the norm, you get questions like, 'imagine a wookie jedi, or a hutt jedi, or an ewok jedi, or how about a droid jedi?'

 

And I take it all the jedi you just mentioned are from the NT, yes? (with the exception of Yoda). They do all have silly names i can't pronounce...

[ET Warrior]

oh geez, i had a long, thought out well written response, hit the send, and my internet messed up...losing all i had written.....and i'm too lazy to write it over again.

 

Basically what it said was having non human jedi as the norm is much cooler than just human jedi. and you CAN have wookie, hutt, or even Ewok Jedi. Although ewoks are so primitive it would be hard to train them. Droid jedis you cannot have, because they are not alive

[Jaster21801]

Sgt. BF: You can't call Yoda a mere monk. Remember the line from the OT

 

"There you will learn from Yoda. The JEDI MASTER that instructed me."

 

So therefore, he HAD to be a Jedi too... You've lost your argument.

[Rassick]

In, I think it was the book Planet of Twilight, Leia had a lightsaber duel with Beldorian the Hutt.

[Sgt.BF]

yeah, i know, i meant he was a different type of jedi, a monklike 'jedi master'. I think I'm right in thinking he's the only person to be refered to as a jedi 'master' in the OT, but I could be wrong. I just liked the idea of a pecking order that you saw in the OT: jedi-humans-aliens-droids. Aliens and droids were usually gimmicks or background characters, not really people. Only a truly special alien could get all the way up to jedi, like yoda. Humans really were the dominant race, which was slightly more comfortable. Someone'll probably say this is because the empire came into power, but, to be honest, that's not really the impression you get, it's just the norm. Furthermore, aliens are portrayed as a little wierd, you're not supposed to really understand them, after all, they are aliens. Hence the wookie growls, subtitled languages etc. In the NT, aliens are just like people, and they lose a little more of that mystery, awe, and curiosity factor. Perhapse a transtion period in Ep3 will show the alien races being pushed into the shadows to make way for humans and the empire. If that's the case, the contrast will be a good thing, but as it stands, it's still one of those uncomfortable jumps between the serieses.

[AgentSmith]

You're xenofobic man!

 

Really xenofobic!

 

(Ever think that in Star Wars and in the real universe aliens might think that we are a 'little weird'? They've surely got different point of views on the universe than we do.)

[Sgt.BF]

oh yeah, but starwars is really from a human perspective, innit? Sure aliens can think humans are wierd, that's another reason for the divide to exist.

 

But come on, think of an alien in the OT that wasn't portrayed as being a little different, or slightly wierd. It was a gimmick. It worked.

 

Think of all the aliens in the bar, or jabbas place, or the alien bounty hunters, or lando's co-pilot, or the jawas, or tuskans, or the ewoks, or chewie, or yoda, or the eye think in the garbage pit, or just about any of them. Plus, this contrasted quite well with the way the rebels treated the mon calamari as equals. But you're never really supposed to understand what an alien character is thinking, it makes them more alien.

 

I suppose the new films are trying to appeal to a more open minded audience, especially fans of EU, where alien characters are plentiful. I just reckon they're used in excess, and it diminishes their effectiveness.

[MotionMan]

Sgt.BF you do realize this is SW right? And that is a sci-fi flick. Humans aliens creatures of all types are part of what makes the SW universe great. That is one of the main things that sets SW apart from other movies shows. Take that away and you have....well Star trek(snore! ) All of Star Trek's Aliens are all humanoid. Thats kinda lame. Like lets put some big ears on this one or some extra ripples on his forehead.

Come on this is SW.

[ET Warrior]

mmm, i think you're just a xenophobe....i haven't noticed any change atall between the OT and the NT in terms of really having aliens play a more prominent role. OT...we see aliens in the mos eisley cantina, but they dont say much, aside from greedo, who was slightly important. Then there was the alien (garindan) that informed the stormtroopers that the millenium falcon was in docking bay 94. Of course we had Chewie who was very important. Then in ESB we have Yoda and the ughnaughts. And in ROTJ we all the aliens in Jabba's palace, and the Mon Calimari, and the ewoks.

 

Now in the NT...it's the same. We see a lot of aliens just walking around, but few of them play key roles. The Neimoydians(sp?) in ep 1, darth maul, and the pod racers. we had as many important aliens in the OT as we do in the NT..........Look at the Geonosian leader, he came off as pretty darn wierd, with his clicking sounds thrown into his speach, sebulba was wierd with the way he walked.

[MotionMan]

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Originally posted by Kryllith

 

That wasn't the question though. We know that Watto can't be mind-tricked, and he seems to imply that it's a racial attribute. Main reason I'm asking is because you said Jabba couldn't be mind-tricked because he was strong-minded, and I was wondering whether this was the case (I agree he has a strong mind) or whether it's a racial attribute of Hutts that they can't be mind-tricked. Whether there can before Force-sensitive Toydarians (or Hutts) is beside the point I'm questioning.

 

Kryllith

 

Some cant be mind tricked because of their race. Like Watto.

Others cant be Mind tricked because they are strong minded. Like Jabba.

 

Remember in ep.2--Anakin and Padame talking on the grass in Naboo.

Padame says, "what, are you going to try one of your mind tricks on me"?

Anakin replies, "Mind tricks only work on the Weak minded"

(Dont remember the exact wording, but it was something like that)

[Jaster21801]

it's possible that he was just teasing her... but then I think I heard there was a deleted scene where Yoda or someone was saying that Padme was Force sensitive...