Shadow Angel Posted July 2, 2002 Author Share Posted July 2, 2002 What? My poll is already off of page 1? Argh! I'm kind of jealous at Darth Joka'ar 'cause his Mace vs. Tyranus poll has 38 posts and this one has only 24. And I thought this would be the ultimate grudge match, too. Well, I'm going to have to fix that. Spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam!!! Okay, I'm done. If you haven't put in a thought yet, do so. A little more in depth of exactly why Yoda is better than Sidious (I'm assuming that's who you're going to vote for, everyone else 'sides me has.) instead of just "Yoda rulz" or the like. Damn that 30-second Yoda action scene in AOTC! Jeez, even the Powerpuff movie line is bigger than this one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Joka'ar Posted July 3, 2002 Share Posted July 3, 2002 Well my friend, I actually choose those guys with potensial(spelling:p ). Like Anakin and Maul quite good match Jango and Maul ( damn not very popular Mace and Tyranus(good result) Better luck next time my friend.hehe:amidala: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Joka'ar Posted July 3, 2002 Share Posted July 3, 2002 'O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Angel Posted July 3, 2002 Author Share Posted July 3, 2002 What's with the "O'", anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Joka'ar Posted July 3, 2002 Share Posted July 3, 2002 To save the thread:c3po: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Angel Posted July 3, 2002 Author Share Posted July 3, 2002 I'm going to shamelessly do that so I can get past the 100 post mark faster. 'O That felt good. Does anyone have an opinion on this match? Seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Groovy Posted July 3, 2002 Share Posted July 3, 2002 pretty much says it all doesn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Joka'ar Posted July 3, 2002 Share Posted July 3, 2002 Well if u ask me, I will wait till I see the Emperor true ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Groovy Posted July 3, 2002 Share Posted July 3, 2002 Do you really think we will see Sid in action? At this point I truly don't know what is going to happen. If h does anyting will it be with a saber or just shooting peeps up with lightning bolts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Angel Posted July 3, 2002 Author Share Posted July 3, 2002 That would be cool if Sidious levitated a Jedi and sucked the life out of him until he was a skeleton, like in The Mummy. Or, of course, if he had a (purple) lightsaber and dueled someone like Mace Windu to the death. Hey, Tyranus is much older than Sidious, so it could happen. And if Yoda is 900 years old, Sidious should have no prob. After all, they both would just let the Force flow through them and let it control their actions, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardian Omega Posted July 4, 2002 Share Posted July 4, 2002 Although common sense would call Yoda the winner, it brings up the point why he would hide all the damn time......... You could say he's facing the whole empire, but what about before it? I'm sure Yoda and friends can handle a mob of people with mass mind tricks and so. (Sidious can influence the whole Senate, so why not Yoda can't influence the mobs?) I'd say Sidious............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0ulblihtr Posted July 4, 2002 Share Posted July 4, 2002 OK I read through the whole thread... and now I am ready to reply. My vote goes to yoda. Heres why: Firstly, the only reason Yoda did not go and fight the rest of empire was not because he was just going into hiding scared for his life, its because he was wise enough to know that the lightside was going to come back and win in the end. He knew that to go in wreckless fighting the empire was stupid. I mean he was only one person. One person alone could not defeat a new empire. Too much to get through. He went into hiding because he knew luke would be coming (not "luke", but he knew someone would be coming to restore the light). Knowing that... he went in to hiding to prepare to teach the one who would restore the light. Yoda could definitely destroy Sidious... no doubt. Yoda was too old and to intuned with the force not to. Sidious had stretched his tentacles so far under the surface of the force that he was able to hide from the eyes of the light side. Up close and personal... Yoda dominated him. As old as yoda was when he fought Tyranus, he still had the speed and power of someone in their prime. 10 years would make no difference. Sidious would still be dominated as Tyranus was, although possibly with more difficulty. Yoda has had much more time and experience to hone his ablilities in the force than Sidious. As Yoda told Tyranus there was much that he hadn't learned in the force... the same goes with Sidious. When dealing with Jedi's age mattered little, and Yoda's experience and life in the force was far and beyond that of Sidious... Yoda... would take Sidious' nice and spectacular Dark force powers and make them look like cheap side show tricks. We have all seen What types of powers Sidious has in the end, but we have not seen the likes of Yoda's. Yoda's had a long life and I am sure he has his sleeve crammed full of tricks to deal with dark jedis of immense power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obi Posted July 4, 2002 Share Posted July 4, 2002 Yoda. you want a reason? read soulblihter's post. "Found someone you have.: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0ulblihtr Posted July 4, 2002 Share Posted July 4, 2002 Originally posted by obi-wan13 Yoda. you want a reason? read soulblihter's post. "Found someone you have.: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilite Zoner Posted July 4, 2002 Share Posted July 4, 2002 Well considering they are the last of the Jedi, they knew that at least one of them needs to survive to teach either Luke or Leia the ways of the Force. It just makes sense. Also my take on why the Empire did not find out about them is that the Force has an impact on not only the weak mind but the overconfident one as well. To me Vader and the Emperor were waaaay overconfident in thier abilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Groovy Posted July 5, 2002 Share Posted July 5, 2002 Yoda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0ulblihtr Posted July 6, 2002 Share Posted July 6, 2002 Hey shadow Angel... I'm interested in what you have to say about my post... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Angel Posted July 6, 2002 Author Share Posted July 6, 2002 Is this the one you're talking about? Originally posted by s0ulblihtr OK I read through the whole thread... and now I am ready to reply. My vote goes to yoda. Heres why: Firstly, the only reason Yoda did not go and fight the rest of empire was not because he was just going into hiding scared for his life, its because he was wise enough to know that the lightside was going to come back and win in the end. He knew that to go in wreckless fighting the empire was stupid. I mean he was only one person. One person alone could not defeat a new empire. Too much to get through. He went into hiding because he knew luke would be coming (not "luke", but he knew someone would be coming to restore the light). Knowing that... he went in to hiding to prepare to teach the one who would restore the light. Yoda could definitely destroy Sidious... no doubt. Yoda was too old and to intuned with the force not to. Sidious had stretched his tentacles so far under the surface of the force that he was able to hide from the eyes of the light side. Up close and personal... Yoda dominated him. As old as yoda was when he fought Tyranus, he still had the speed and power of someone in their prime. 10 years would make no difference. Sidious would still be dominated as Tyranus was, although possibly with more difficulty. Yoda has had much more time and experience to hone his ablilities in the force than Sidious. As Yoda told Tyranus there was much that he hadn't learned in the force... the same goes with Sidious. When dealing with Jedi's age mattered little, and Yoda's experience and life in the force was far and beyond that of Sidious... Yoda... would take Sidious' nice and spectacular Dark force powers and make them look like cheap side show tricks. We have all seen What types of powers Sidious has in the end, but we have not seen the likes of Yoda's. Yoda's had a long life and I am sure he has his sleeve crammed full of tricks to deal with dark jedis of immense power. Can't argue the point about Yoda in hiding. Think it's kind of bad for him to watch billions of lives, including his Jedi colleagues suffer and die, but what can I say? It's a good point. About Sidious not knowing much about the Force, we just don't know how much he knows, but I have a feeling that it's a great deal. After all, I wouldn't take someone who managed to rule the galaxy with an iron fist, clean 99.9% of the Jedi from existence, and more, very lightly. An opinion on both sides on that, though, so it can't be solved until Episode III. I, however, HIGHLY disagree on how we have seen Sidious' full potential, but not Yoda's. We haven't seen either until Episode III, and you don't give Sidious a chance to prove himself because the only screen time he has to do something is in the end of ROTJ, and he only needed to use one power. But if ANYONE says that Vader, Tyranus, or especially Maul can take down Yoda, you're really messed up. Sidious is clearly more powerful than all three of them. Well, Vader can be argued some, but if Tyranus were more powerful, he would have killed Sidious and become Master because that's the way he is, and in the novel it says that he's inferior to him. As for Maul, who else could have taught him the lightsaber but Sidious? So there you go. One final thing: if you count EU, then Sidious is ridiculously powerful. The Force Storms are like nukes, he can transfer his soul into a young clone body, and he does use a lightsaber. In the Thrawn trilogy, it says that he was mind-controlling the entire Imperial fleet AND worrying about Luke and Vader at the same time. After he "died" in the bottomless pit, the Imperials lost their "skills" and the battle was lost. Anything else to argue? I welcome productive/positive criticism or arguement points. I love this thread. Except maybe that I'm the only one going for Sidious, but still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0ulblihtr Posted July 7, 2002 Share Posted July 7, 2002 Originally posted by Shadow Angel Is this the one you're talking about? Can't argue the point about Yoda in hiding. Think it's kind of bad for him to watch billions of lives, including his Jedi colleagues suffer and die, but what can I say? It's a good point. About Sidious not knowing much about the Force, we just don't know how much he knows, but I have a feeling that it's a great deal. After all, I wouldn't take someone who managed to rule the galaxy with an iron fist, clean 99.9% of the Jedi from existence, and more, very lightly. An opinion on both sides on that, though, so it can't be solved until Episode III. I, however, HIGHLY disagree on how we have seen Sidious' full potential, but not Yoda's. We haven't seen either until Episode III, and you don't give Sidious a chance to prove himself because the only screen time he has to do something is in the end of ROTJ, and he only needed to use one power. But if ANYONE says that Vader, Tyranus, or especially Maul can take down Yoda, you're really messed up. Sidious is clearly more powerful than all three of them. Well, Vader can be argued some, but if Tyranus were more powerful, he would have killed Sidious and become Master because that's the way he is, and in the novel it says that he's inferior to him. As for Maul, who else could have taught him the lightsaber but Sidious? So there you go. One final thing: if you count EU, then Sidious is ridiculously powerful. The Force Storms are like nukes, he can transfer his soul into a young clone body, and he does use a lightsaber. In the Thrawn trilogy, it says that he was mind-controlling the entire Imperial fleet AND worrying about Luke and Vader at the same time. After he "died" in the bottomless pit, the Imperials lost their "skills" and the battle was lost. Anything else to argue? I welcome productive/positive criticism or arguement points. I love this thread. Except maybe that I'm the only one going for Sidious, but still. I like this thread too, its nice to have something to talk about every once in a while. Hmmmm, how to respond? Okay, firstly I have read any of the EU universer Thrawn Trilogy, but by what your telling me, I really might need to pick it up. It sounds pretty good. Ok now, I think that if the emperor was able to do nuclear storms and transport his soul to other clones then what happend in ROTJ? Vader took him out. I think that if he has such a large arsenal of power why was it that all he could do is use lightning. I really need to get the other books you were talking about, because even the fact that he was thrown in a bottomless pit say something about him to me. True it wasn't yoda who did it, but Yoda was Lukes master, and even when dying Yoda still had luke by centuries of experience and knowledge of the force. From what I am hearing you say, the emperor had raw power, he didnt have much of anything that was refined enough to defend himself when it came to being in a battle with Luke and Vader. I need to stop, lol. We could go on with this debate for a long time. Honestly though, you are right, We won't be able to see who truly is the most powerful Force user until Episode 3 comes along. Soooo, we will just have to see. I still think Yoda though, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharaFett Posted July 8, 2002 Share Posted July 8, 2002 nah they were just getting old Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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