mez1109 Posted July 16, 2002 Author Share Posted July 16, 2002 It doesn't matter if Anakin became evil because of things occurring or not. Yoda knew that Anakin was dangerous, so he was already a threat even in the Jedi Council's eyes. There must be more to it, then just the simple explonation given by Qui Gon. Remember, George Lucas, Always says one thing in his stories, but something else happens. Qui Gon gives his OWN view of how Anakin was born, it does not mean that is what really happened. Anakin has a Father somewhere, and Anakin will probably kill him in SW3, just have to wait till 2006, damn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotionMan Posted July 16, 2002 Share Posted July 16, 2002 Originally posted by mez1109 It doesn't matter if Anakin became evil because of things occurring or not. Yoda knew that Anakin was dangerous, so he was already a threat even in the Jedi Council's eyes. The reason Yoda says that Anakin must not be trained is because Yoda senses much fear in him and he is too old. The fear Yoda senses in him is a result of him leaving his mother. Anakin is worried about his mom. Anakin wasnt born evil. There must be more to it, then just the simple explonation given by Qui Gon. Maybe there IS more to it. We will have to wait till ep.3 Remember, George Lucas, Always says one thing in his stories, but something else happens. I dont know what you mean by this. Qui Gon gives his OWN view of how Anakin was born, it does not mean that is what really happened. Qui-Gon doesnt give his own view. He is told this is how Anakin was born by Shmi skywalker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mez1109 Posted July 16, 2002 Author Share Posted July 16, 2002 What I mean with Georg Lucas saying one think but meaning something else is best explained with an example. I hope you have played Monkey Island, as that is the easiest way to explain it: In Monkey Island 2 : LeChuck's Revenge, as the title suggests Guybrush thinks, and the story is toled in a way that Le Chuck wants his revenge, but he really just wants to marry Govenor Marlly. Or the Star Wars explonation, as I don't know how much of the MI stories are base by GL: In SW4, Darth Vader is discribed by Obi Wan, as the murderer of Luke's father, giving the sense of another revenge your father movie, but we know the outcome. So I can't accept the Anakin force based birth theory fully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotionMan Posted July 16, 2002 Share Posted July 16, 2002 I think Obi-Wan did not tell Luke who his father was so that Luke would not lose focus and confront Vader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted July 16, 2002 Share Posted July 16, 2002 Hmmmm, if there is only one instance of George telling us one thing in star wars and then doing something different, you can't really say that he ALWAYS does that, now can you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi_Monk Posted July 16, 2002 Share Posted July 16, 2002 Bringing Balance to the Force does mean wiping out the Sith, not evening the Dark and Light Sides. The Dark Side is an aberration, people not accepting the Force's Will, people who twist the naturally good Force for evil uses, the naturally selfless Force for selfish uses. The Dark Side throws the Force off-balance, and Lucas has said as much himself. And remember, death is just a transition, not annhilation, for a Jedi. They believe in an afterlife and if they've been following the Will of the Force, they will enter into that afterlife, becoming One with the Force. The purpose of the Jedi Purge could be the Force gathering as many Jedi into itself so that it can make one huge push--one final vergance in Anakin's life--which will bring him back to the Light Side. But on the historical side, the Purge is much like what happened to Christians under the Roman Empire. The religion of the Jedi is religion distilled and holds aspects of all major religions, including Christianity. The Roman Empire and the Galactic Empire are similar on the face of it. Many Christians died before the Roman Emperor Constantine converted to Christianity and made it the official religion of the Empire. The Force does work in mysterious ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotionMan Posted July 16, 2002 Share Posted July 16, 2002 Nice post as usual Jedi Monk. You made some interesting points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted July 16, 2002 Share Posted July 16, 2002 That is very well thought out and interestin to read JediMonk.....i agree with you most completely! Except for the part where you say that the purpose of the purge was to build up enough power to bring anakin back to the light. I cannot think that was the ONLY reason for it. I think it intended at the end to remove the Sith, and put an end to the evil users of the force. But that's just what i think..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mez1109 Posted July 18, 2002 Author Share Posted July 18, 2002 Just one question Jedi_Monk, how much does the force have to be used selfishly to be evil or a Sith Lord? For example, when a Jedi uses his force powers to win a gambling bet, maybe once or three times a year. Does that make him evil? Most Jedis in SW are either Super Goodie Goodie Two-Shoes Ned Flanders types, or satan like mad Sith lords. Qui Gon is supposed to be a type of rebel in the Jedi community (the reason he couldn't join the Jedi council), but I never saw him do anything bad in EP1. The worst Qui Gon does is not always listen to orders given by Jedi council, like when Yoda asked Qui Gon that Anakin should not to be trained as a Jedi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted July 19, 2002 Share Posted July 19, 2002 Jedi don't use the force to win gambling bets, unless it is necissary for the greater good. QuiGon used it to beat Watto so they could get off of tattooine and help Naboo. Using the force for your own twisted purposes is using it selfishly, and that makes the Sith the Sith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mez1109 Posted July 19, 2002 Author Share Posted July 19, 2002 I know that Jedis don't gamble it was only an example. IF a Jedi did gamble, would that make him a Sith or just a Chaotic Good Jedi. The intensions of that Jedi are selfish, but they don't really hurt anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted July 19, 2002 Share Posted July 19, 2002 A jedi that did that would not be considered a sith, no...but if news got out they would be expelled from the Jedi order...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mez1109 Posted July 19, 2002 Author Share Posted July 19, 2002 Thast is very harsh rules, but the Jedi council can not take chances like that. I still daught that the Jedi who does not always do what he should be doing, as said before, Qui Gon is supposed to be a rebel Jedi, it does not make him a sith. Still, it is in some way Qui Gon's fault that Anakin was trained in his Jedi powers and became evil, even though warned by the Jedi Council. Qui Gon probably thought that he is the only chance to bring balance to the force, but his actions don't make him a sith. Not all Jedi's in SW are 100%, even Mace Windu seems a bit cocky and arrogent, as he gives the image that he is the best saber fighter, and obviously he is, but it does not make him a sith. The only Jedi that is 110% good and pure, is Yoda, he don't even look powerful or dangerous, just like Mini-me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mez1109 Posted July 26, 2002 Author Share Posted July 26, 2002 ANOTHER DEAD THRED *SIGH* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[RAA]-=Chi3f=- Posted July 26, 2002 Share Posted July 26, 2002 Originally posted by mez1109 ANOTHER DEAD THRED *SIGH* No my friend, it's not dead, just numb from the waist down. I agree about Yoda. Nobody gave a rats @$$ about our green little friend untill he wooped up on Dooku in Ep.2. My opinion of him hasn't changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi_Monk Posted July 26, 2002 Share Posted July 26, 2002 Except for the part where you say that the purpose of the purge was to build up enough power to bring anakin back to the light. Yeah... I was stretching with that one, and I knew it as I was writing Still, here's another possible reason for the Jedi purge that popped into my head while reading another thread about a week ago and it reminded me of a painting I saw of Vader in his meditation chamber surrounded by dead Jedi (wish I remembered where that picture was!). Alright, not the Force building power by rallying Jedi spirits to itself... but what if every Jedi that Anakin killed bound himself to Anakin in the way Obi-Wan bound himself to Luke? Vader haunted by the spirits of hundreds of murdered Jedi, all of them trying to turn him back to the Light Side. Another stretch, but it sounds a little better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mez1109 Posted July 27, 2002 Author Share Posted July 27, 2002 For anybody if evil or not, having all Jedis souls you killed surrounding you make it like HELL, maybe Sith go mad and commite suicide from insanity. This is also far fetched, but if the Sith is evil, then they must not be linked to the force of the good Jedi, they Sith are like AWOL in the force. There is no inner peace to control them from making bad dicissions, so they grow more evil over time. I won't worry about that, as some guy in this forum will or has checked it on the Lucas sites, and finds the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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