Pisces Posted August 14, 2002 Share Posted August 14, 2002 Look he's pyschic. Evolution happened, it's just something happened before, to create the universe and allow for evolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talldudeX Posted August 14, 2002 Share Posted August 14, 2002 psh, evolution Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal_da_Darth Posted August 14, 2002 Share Posted August 14, 2002 Originally posted by NeoDios Evolution happened, it's just something happened before, to create the universe and allow for evolution. That's a conflict in itself...evolution is not creation and vice versa. Only one happened and most of us believe one or the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pisces Posted August 14, 2002 Share Posted August 14, 2002 Ehn, wrong. The universe was created. Dinosaurs evolved into birds, get it? If your merely talking about how the universe came into being then I'm going for the creation one. A large...thing was created, it went boom (the Big Bang) and ta-da, you have the universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal_da_Darth Posted August 14, 2002 Share Posted August 14, 2002 In that case it wasn't created; that would mean something or someone put it there. The big bang goes along with evolution in an anti-theist perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talldudeX Posted August 14, 2002 Share Posted August 14, 2002 ...dinosaurs evolving into birds...lmao... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pisces Posted August 14, 2002 Share Posted August 14, 2002 Not really. Somebody created the big bang then sat back and watched it unfold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal_da_Darth Posted August 14, 2002 Share Posted August 14, 2002 Uh...I don't get that...where'd you hear that...or did you come with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pisces Posted August 14, 2002 Share Posted August 14, 2002 What the dinos and birds or the big bang thing? Dinos and birds is a known fact, same with the big bang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talldudeX Posted August 14, 2002 Share Posted August 14, 2002 Evolution is not a fact... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal_da_Darth Posted August 15, 2002 Share Posted August 15, 2002 Hate to break it to ya Neo, but evolution and the big bang are both theories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pisces Posted August 15, 2002 Share Posted August 15, 2002 Look, there's some things that'd prove evolution correct if some people would shut up and listen (not meaning you guys, just idiots) Chimps and Humans have almost identical DNA, it's off by like what 3%. Now are you saying that, the chimp (or other primate, I could name it if you wish) didn't evolve into humans. Someone, let's say God, said "wow those chimps are almost becoming something else, better make something new" so he just made humans and added 3% of DNA that was different? Sorry if that's confusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal_da_Darth Posted August 15, 2002 Share Posted August 15, 2002 Have you ever read the bible? (EDIT::: Man, that was a stupid question...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunClown Posted August 15, 2002 Share Posted August 15, 2002 Science is yet to observe genes ever being added. Mutations in the genepool have only been observed to occur from a loss of information. Therefore, for a theory to be fact the extra 3% as you say would have had to come from somewhrere. Its still a theory. The same kind of goes for Dinosaurs in to Birds. It has never been observed in nature. DNA looks like pretty good design to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle d'Tana Posted August 15, 2002 Share Posted August 15, 2002 Have you ever read the bible? I have! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted August 15, 2002 Author Share Posted August 15, 2002 The Big Bang is a theory. No proof backing it. Evolution is also classified as a theory...it's adaptation that's a scientific fact. Obviously, however, the line between these two can blur easily. Which is why some people say it's been 'proven'. If you don't believe in Creation, then the next best explanation is Evolution. You can't prove either, though. It's scientifically impossible. Dinosaurs evolving into birds is also an entirely unproven theory. It sounds cool, which is why everyone knows about it. There's fossil evidence for it, yes, but it is the kind that, if evolution doesn't occur on that scale, means absolutely nothing. And of course, if you believe in Creation, then the simple explanation for similarities in species is that they had the same designer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle d'Tana Posted August 15, 2002 Share Posted August 15, 2002 Well, I didnt say, that I belive, what the bible says.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talldudeX Posted August 15, 2002 Share Posted August 15, 2002 Well I'll try to get s1 to post here...he just read this big long book about evolution and has many things to disprove it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal_da_Darth Posted August 15, 2002 Share Posted August 15, 2002 Originally posted by Kyle d'Tana Well, I didnt say, that I belive, what the bible says.... Denken sie, das mein bruder ein doof mann ist? *I speak horrible German* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pisces Posted August 15, 2002 Share Posted August 15, 2002 Originally posted by talldudeX Well I'll try to get s1 to post here...he just read this big long book about evolution and has many things to disprove it. Well, there's points to prove and disprove evolution. There's the DNA facts, you can't ignore the fact that (i'll use birds and dinos) some birds have a DNA difference of like 5% when compared to some dinos. And odds are most of that 5% is the wings and feathers. But there are those facts against evolution, like how did life first come into being? Did dirt evolve into bacteria? Things like that. Originally posted by FunClown The same kind of goes for Dinosaurs in to Birds. It has never been observed in nature. Two reasons why: dinos are extinct, and it takes millions of years. Just watch Walking With Dinosaurs, or read some books(don't ask me which ones), it helps. @Cal, yes I've read the bible and yes that was a stupid question. You can believe Creation, you can believe Evolution and believe it or not, you can believe a comprimise of the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal_da_Darth Posted August 15, 2002 Share Posted August 15, 2002 Hm, ok Neo, let's put it this way. An ape's and a human's DNA is similar. Then again, a square piece of wood and a square piece of plastic look similar as well. But they're not the same thing. Just because they're similar doesn't mean that they are or were ever the same. And no, nothing actually proves evolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talldudeX Posted August 16, 2002 Share Posted August 16, 2002 I don't really believe that difference in DNA has anything to do with evolution. Why would dinosaurs have evolved into birds and dinosaurs be extinct now when humans evolved from apes yet apes are still around for some reason? It doesn't figure. Also, is dirt a living thing...? Everything else you've mentioned has evolved from a living thing, so why would a non living thing become living all of the sudden? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pisces Posted August 16, 2002 Share Posted August 16, 2002 Because the only thing that survived the extiction 65 million years ago were mammals, small lizards, birds, insects etc. Anything over a certain size got wasted because they couldn't function well in the changed climate. Which is another thing, since so many things got wiped out and some that survived aren't related to anything today, where'd all the new species come from if they didn't evolve from something? And for my discussion with Cal: Yeah, wood and plastic look the same but it's more than that. Some primates, like chimps, are almost as smart as us too. They feel emotion, they learn to use tools, they can learn sign language. We can talk, we're smarter, and they have more hair. But the basic, and advanced similarities are there. We're the next logical step up from chimps. We're like smarter chimps with less hair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted August 16, 2002 Author Share Posted August 16, 2002 Originally posted by NeoDios Well, there's points to prove and disprove evolution. There's the DNA facts, you can't ignore the fact that (i'll use birds and dinos) some birds have a DNA difference of like 5% when compared to some dinos. And odds are most of that 5% is the wings and feathers. But there are those facts against evolution, like how did life first come into being? Did dirt evolve into bacteria? Things like that. Two reasons why: dinos are extinct, and it takes millions of years. Just watch Walking With Dinosaurs, or read some books(don't ask me which ones), it helps. That doesn't prove anything about evolution. Like I said earlier, those similarities can support either theory/belief. The extinction you refer to could have been caused by the flood. And the fossil layers could have been created very quickly by the flood that would have been created if a formerly very thick layer of atmosphere collapsed. The most accurate fossil dating method is carbon-13, and that disappears within thousands of years. You can't even conclusively prove that life on Earth is millions of years old. On a side note, I find it particularly funny that the lamest thread I ever created has transmogrified into this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunClown Posted August 16, 2002 Share Posted August 16, 2002 Speaking of animals with similar DNA being different. If anyone here has studied chemistry they would know that substances can contain exactly the same kind and amount of molecules and be arranged different ways to create different substances. Would charcoal and diamond be one? But that would be a simple one. I think crude oil is like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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