SSO_DarthVader_ Posted August 29, 2002 Share Posted August 29, 2002 Originally posted by Jubatus See? You have misinterpreted and misunderstood me. Have you heard of the saying "First impressions are important?". I don't know you that well, but by the impression that you give off, I have every right to assume what I said in my previous post. I don't know if they go by the "First impressions are important" bit where you come from, but from where I live, it exists. If you have a way to change my mind, so I right now, won't have to continue, to percieve you as a racist. Then I suggest you do it now, before I get the wrong impression. Wait a minute, make that...to "continue" getting the wrong impression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jubatus Posted August 29, 2002 Share Posted August 29, 2002 Originally posted by SSO_DarthVader_ Have you heard of the saying "First impressions are important?". I don't know you that well, but by the impression that you give off, I have every right to assume what I said in my previous post. I don't know if they go by the "First impressions are important" bit where you come from, but from where I live, it exists. If you have a way to change my mind, so I right now, won't have to continue, to percieve you as a racist. Then I suggest you do it now, before I get the wrong impression. A racist in what sense? Are USA citizens a race? I was not aware. Well, besides that I've never labelled the entire population of USA; I've voiced my oppinion about government decisions and of a certain 'breed' of USA citizens, that's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSO_DarthVader_ Posted August 29, 2002 Share Posted August 29, 2002 Originally posted by Jubatus Well, besides that I've never labelled the entire population of USA; I've voiced my oppinion about government decisions and of a certain 'breed' of USA citizens, that's it. Are you sure? I remember this from you... Originally posted by Jubatus Wow, the indoctrinated shallow national image by some USA citizens knows no limits it seems....guess you're not jewish, native american or of any 'minor' creed or religion to speak such naive words. ...At first you speak of the shallowness of "some" U.S. Citizens. But, then you talk about the U.S. Citizens as a whole/general. Originally posted by Jubatus But I have little doubt the USA citizens are gonna use the one year day of 9/11 to squeeze that event for every selfglorifying drop of assumed disproportional injustice through some flamboyant show, where, very symbolic for the shallow 'american way', famous actors and entertainers will be in the front. I find this to be a little disturbing, and a little "racist" (in a sense towards American citizens). If I so-called "misunderstood or misinterpreted" you, please tell me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JandoFett1842 Posted August 29, 2002 Share Posted August 29, 2002 No offence to the guy who wrote this, but it sound like a bunch of bull from a Enemy of the State type movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jubatus Posted August 29, 2002 Share Posted August 29, 2002 Originally posted by SSO_DarthVader_ Are you sure? I remember this from you...[your quote of me] ...At first you speak of the shallowness of "some" U.S. Citizens. But, then you talk about the U.S. Citizens as a whole/general. [your quote of me] I find this to be a little disturbing, and a little "racist" (in a sense towards American citizens). If I so-called "misunderstood or misinterpreted" you, please tell me. Well, in lack of another term you use racism even though you're a country, and 'countryism' just won't do . But yes, I do loathe that type of USA citizen would indulge, even bash in a so superficial show to allegedly honour the memory of the dead. That, plus reasons I've stated in previous postings. The USA citizens referred to in that post are the ones who will do it and the ones who will accept it, my bad if it came across as covering the whole population. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal_da_Darth Posted August 29, 2002 Share Posted August 29, 2002 Originally posted by Jubatus Rarely. Aha, my point exactly. If you never consider the fact that you're misunderstanding and that everyone else is, that doesn't mean you're correct. And of course we all think our opinions are correct until proven or convinced otherwise; I'll admit my opinions have been changed, by I'm not narrowminded enough to constantly assume that everyone else is wrong. Afterall, you have to take the time to consider someone else's view from their position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jubatus Posted August 29, 2002 Share Posted August 29, 2002 Originally posted by Cal_da_Darth Aha, my point exactly. If you never consider the fact that you're misunderstanding and that everyone else is, that doesn't mean you're correct. And of course we all think our opinions are correct until proven or convinced otherwise; I'll admit my opinions have been changed, by I'm not narrowminded enough to constantly assume that everyone else is wrong. Afterall, you have to take the time to consider someone else's view from their position. You'll get no argument there. Just realize, as I'm confident you do, it applies to everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clem Posted August 29, 2002 Share Posted August 29, 2002 so many points i have to make ... im bound to miss some 1. i dont agree with how dianas death has been dealt with either 2. so sadams got "weapons of mass destruction" so have u ... so have we ... who are YOU to say who can have what stuff? 3. at this rate u'll have blown half the world to pieces just to find 1 man 4. Tony Blair is backing the US in the iraqi attacks ... most of the country disagrees with this 5. do u americans even know what communism is?! .... u brand it as evil and SSo even uses it to describe a bad country! ... i suggest u look up the definition of communism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jubatus Posted August 29, 2002 Share Posted August 29, 2002 communism A theoretical economic system characterized by the collective ownership of property and by the organization of labor for the common advantage of all members. Communism A system of government in which the state plans and controls the economy and a single, often authoritarian party holds power, claiming to make progress toward a higher social order in which all goods are equally shared by the people. The Marxist-Leninist version of Communist doctrine that advocates the overthrow of capitalism by the revolution of the proletariat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clem Posted August 29, 2002 Share Posted August 29, 2002 thank u jub (it wasnt aimed at u btw.) but americans seem to hold communism up a EVIL! ... when infact the idea of every1 owning an equal percentage of the country etc. is a very good 1! it is prone to being taken advantage of thats all and in small groups it works excellently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divine Spirit Posted August 29, 2002 Share Posted August 29, 2002 Originally posted by SSO_DarthVader_ off from what other people tell you in your country, and your media broadcast systems which "usually" take sides. However, to truely expierence how we are, I suggest you take a year vacation in the US, and try making some friends here, to see how we are "really" like. We might have a different life style and attuide, but it doesn't make it wrong. At least we don't have public porn channels like what some European countries have, to get them in the US, you need to order pay-per view. look, a lot of people's critisisms of america are about its political decisions....whether you hear about them in the US or on the other side of the world - they will still be the same. and by the way.....dont try to make out that the usa is some 100% morally correct country JUST because they have pay-per view porn. thats a very minor thing compared to the real issues throughout the world right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSO_DarthVader_ Posted August 29, 2002 Share Posted August 29, 2002 Clem, if you could watch the American broadcast stations, like I have, you'll see we have every perfect reason on attacking Iraq. I believe Britian has weapons of mass destruction (I think), but you don't see us attacking your country. It isn't because if a country has weapons of mass destruction, we go on invading it. It has to do with the leadership and what purposes they have in mind, to use those weapons for. We have them for emergancies and as last resorts. Saddam may use them, to destroy other countries. Theres a difference between a adult and a child. The US is what you can call, a adult with weapons of mass destruction, since we know how to handle them. While as Saddam, he can be called the child, since he may use them for his own selfish needs. Plus, like I said above Clem, in my previous posts. We aren't "blowing up countries" just to find 1 man. Your the most thick headed person I've seen, and it figures, your British. Worse then a American I say. We're targeting countries, that are to a threat to us, and to others that could be victums of terrorist attacks. Whats so bad about that? Divine Spirit, I can tell you now. The U.S. isn't 100% morally correct, we have a lot of moral issues here. But I was just comparing to that of some European countries (not all, some). We, the United States, don't "seek" out to destroy communist countries. Only.....if they are depriving humanity (treating there own people horriblely and etc). You need to get your facts straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clem Posted August 29, 2002 Share Posted August 29, 2002 lol and the american media is the most reliable source in the world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Gnarly Posted August 29, 2002 Share Posted August 29, 2002 ........this sounds alot like Star Wars/The Matrix Star Wars: the rise of an Empire (George Bush AKA the goverment of the USA) and the rebals Rising to Attack against the constint threat of him (which will happen in the near future) and clones will be programed dome way to Work WITH the empire......anyways im not gonna explain it all but it does make sense and IS POSSIBLE and since im a skeptic I ABSOULUTLY BELIVE IN THERE BEING A MATRIX AND WE WILL ALL HAVE TO RISE AGAINST THE so called "superior" goverment of ours!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSO_DarthVader_ Posted August 29, 2002 Share Posted August 29, 2002 Well, we "do" have the largest news broadcasting networks in the world, so I believe it's reliable . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clem Posted August 29, 2002 Share Posted August 29, 2002 big and reliable are not the same thing much like cheese and paint are different things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal_da_Darth Posted August 29, 2002 Share Posted August 29, 2002 Why don't we not talk about how so-and-so is wrong because of their country? Though the country may have great influence on one's opinion's, that doesn't mean that they have to agree with the crowd. For example, America has immagrints. Many immagrints at that. To add on to that, many of them hate the United States. That's only one example of how your country doesn't necessarily prove your beliefs. If anyone believes that someone else is wrong because of their country, here this: that is a stereotype. I truly do hate stereotypes since they are often incorrect. So please, to make a long story short, don't put down another human being because of their country. In any case, in the long run, it doesn't matter at all. We are all human, and the only thing that divides us from each other are our own ignorance and arrogance. Remember SSO, like you said, Heaven is my real home...and your's as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clem Posted August 29, 2002 Share Posted August 29, 2002 im not against SSO cos hes an american .... im against him cos hes an ignorant idiot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal_da_Darth Posted August 29, 2002 Share Posted August 29, 2002 Heh...don't worry, Clem. I wasn't talking about anyone specifically. I'm not going to take sides here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSO_DarthVader_ Posted August 29, 2002 Share Posted August 29, 2002 Originally posted by Darth Clem im not against SSO cos hes an american .... im against him cos hes an ignorant idiot! Heh same as you. Actually, I've been trying to answer your questions and justify. Yet you etheir not respond to it, or you ignore it and say the samething again, which I already answered earlier. Which really bugs me. The one who's being a "ignorant idoit" the most, is you. The reason why your "ignorant" because you don't got all the facts straight, on why we're raging war on Iraq. And the reason why your a "idoit", is because you sometimes repeat yourself, when I already answered your questions, or you just don't believe me, while I, an American, know whats going on within my own country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clem Posted August 29, 2002 Share Posted August 29, 2002 Originally posted by SSO_DarthVader_ Heh same as you. Actually, I've been trying to answer your questions and justify. Yet you etheir not respond to it, or you ignore it and say the samething again, which I already answered earlier. Which really bugs me. The one who's being a "ignorant idoit" the most, is you. The reason why your "ignorant" because you don't got all the facts straight, on why we're raging war on Iraq. And the reason why your a "idoit", is because you sometimes repeat yourself, when I already answered your questions, or you just don't believe me, while I, an American, know whats going on within my own country. im not against SSO cos hes an american .... im against him cos hes an ignorant idiot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal_da_Darth Posted August 29, 2002 Share Posted August 29, 2002 Careful now people...if tensions run too high a mod might have to shut this puppy down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShockV1.89 Posted August 29, 2002 Share Posted August 29, 2002 I'm not going to badmouth people, thats not what this topic is about. I'd advise you both cool it a little, or this will end up being shut down, and quite frankly, I'm interested in hearing the opinions of our less than friendly neighbors. Not that I agree with them, but it's interesting. but americans seem to hold communism up a EVIL! ... when infact the idea of every1 owning an equal percentage of the country etc. is a very good 1! We dont hold communism up as evil, at least, most of us dont. We DID, but that was back during the red scare. And honestly, the only example of communism in action that we had to refer to was Stalin, and he certainly was evil. Communism is the optimists government. In theory, it sounds good, and I'd certainly join if I knew it would work. But human nature renders it otherwise... And the only country that is communist right now is Cuba, and they're certainly not a great country. (or are they socialist now? I always forget...) lol and the american media is the most reliable source in the world Have you watched any of our broadcasts? They tend to be very neutral, as biased news stations tend to be bashed rather harshly. There are editorials and special anchors like Neil Cavuto and Riley, but that's a little different... Dude, I'm sorry, but I've watched some British broadcasts before, and they tend to be extremely biased in one direction or another. I wouldnt take yours any more seriously than ours. and by the way.....dont try to make out that the usa is some 100% morally correct country JUST because they have pay-per view porn. thats a very minor thing compared to the real issues throughout the world right now. Bleh, if I want porn I'll go on the net. It's free. But yeah, that is a minor thing. We're certainly not morally superior. Not even close. But we're certainly not any more morally decrepit than any other country. ShockV1.89 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal_da_Darth Posted August 30, 2002 Share Posted August 30, 2002 I agree with everything Shock just said. As far as worldwide concern goes, porn isn't really an issue for the U.S. However, as far as the internet goes...well, statistics show that over 50% of the internet (I forget the exact number) is porn. At one time we were considering making it illegal, but many argued it was "freedom of speecH"; thus it remained. Now it's a little out of hand; but not a huge problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal_da_Darth Posted September 4, 2002 Share Posted September 4, 2002 ...uh... *bump* Sorry, I like this thread...it's pretty much the only reason I post here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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