Guest jedihorn1 Posted May 3, 2000 Share Posted May 3, 2000 One last point(for now ) TheBible has been PROVEN to be the most Historical document in the world ever! And as for the Bible contradicting itself, that isn't true. it is infallable. Anyone who says otherwise should brush up on their theology. the only problems are with men who cant translate or change things that it says. -----------------Check out my site for SW news rumors, fan fiction and chat! <A HREF="http://jedihorn1.homestead.com/jedihorn1.html There" TARGET=_blank>http://jedihorn1.homestead.com/jedihorn1.html There</A> is no emotion, there is peace. There is no ignorance, only knowledge. There is no passion, there is serinity. There is no death, there is the Force. (GOD)-Jedi Code [This message has been edited by jedihorn1 (edited May 07, 2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Darth_Simpson Posted May 3, 2000 Share Posted May 3, 2000 WHOA!! You guys have been posting like hell when i was asleep. Well, you all say you have seen Gods work. Where is he? Dont tell me that he is invisible and floats around us. Someone say they have been "rescued" by God. Like the drug addict you brought up. I do not believe in God, so why wouldnt I think that was just because he made up his mind. Afterall, you said he was in prison for some years, and you have some serious time to think in there. He bacame a priest though, so he must have been thinking the same as you. But as opposing to other religions. In China they have Buddhism and Hindusim, who share a total different view than the Christians. Why would someone believe in something, just for someone over in China to believe in something completely different ( well, not THAT different ). Why do we have so many religions. It just illustrates how people can make things up just by believing in them. If there was one united religion over the world, I might have become a part of that, but right now I dont feel that anyone of these religions are for me! Later! Going to school now ------------------ Hunger leads to donuts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Barnabas Antilies Posted May 3, 2000 Share Posted May 3, 2000 In china they tend to kill christians. But none the less much of china is converting. It proves the whole persecution of the church you read about in the bible. I had a friend who had to smuggle bibles into china on a missions trip. It is pretty bad there. ------------------ Father Barnabas Antilies, Supreme Chancelor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Darth_Simpson Posted May 3, 2000 Share Posted May 3, 2000 Sounds pretty bad. But smuggeling bibles? Hehe, the must be pretty desperate if you have to smuggle bibles into China. Mayeb they dont like people converting. Maybe religion runs your life, and the Chinese goverment doesnt want things to change, so that they can remain in control! ------------------ Hunger leads to donuts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Shinigami Posted May 3, 2000 Share Posted May 3, 2000 china is a communist country, i believe that the leaders of china fear that the bible may cause revolution ------------------ Duo Maxwell: the UNcouncil's Authority on Animé "I'm glad you're here to tell us these things!!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Darth_Simpson Posted May 3, 2000 Share Posted May 3, 2000 Thats what I meant ------------------ Hunger leads to donuts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Shinigami Posted May 3, 2000 Share Posted May 3, 2000 oh, i didnt read the fine print i guess... ------------------ Duo Maxwell: the UNcouncil's Authority on Animé "I'm glad you're here to tell us these things!!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ikhnaton Posted May 3, 2000 Share Posted May 3, 2000 yall are doing good so far, let's just remember that religious topics are allowed so long as noone bashes another. If it gets out of hand, we might have to disallow them. I don't want to have to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jedi Kanigget Posted May 3, 2000 Share Posted May 3, 2000 Surprisingly enough, this is one of the most civil threads on this forum. Hey! We CAN talk about controversial topics without flaming each other! ------------------ Darth Wart's Strategy Guide in a friendly, easy to use form!(Sorry, that was bad.) http://JediPowerBattlesGuide.homestead.com/JPB.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pizza the Hutt Posted May 3, 2000 Share Posted May 3, 2000 Speaking of evolution, Christianity is nothing more than an evolved form of earlier pagan religions, complete with stories that are lifted (with some modifications) from said religions. Check out the Greek story of Deucalion and Pyrrha and see how that's extremely similar to the story of Noah. Frankly, I have to question those that believe in the writings of people who lived 2,000 years ago. If you've studied those people at any length, you wouldn't be inclined to accept at face value what they say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jedi Kanigget Posted May 3, 2000 Share Posted May 3, 2000 So certain are you, Pizza? I do believe Noah lived BEFORE Greek times, and it was written before Greek times as well. As for accepting the Bible at face value, explain. Give evidence and reasons for the statement. ------------------ Darth Wart's Strategy Guide in a friendly, easy to use form!(Sorry, that was bad.) http://JediPowerBattlesGuide.homestead.com/JPB.html [This message has been edited by Jedi Kanigget (edited May 03, 2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Darth_Simpson Posted May 3, 2000 Share Posted May 3, 2000 I agree This topic is really cool. We CAN talk about something else it seems, without someone messing the thread up. ( That means ********* ). Hidden name so that the character wont mess up this thread as well. ------------------ Hunger leads to donuts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pizza the Hutt Posted May 3, 2000 Share Posted May 3, 2000 There was no Noah, just as there was no couple named Deucalion and Pyrrha. They are myths that people constructed to explain the unexplained. Check out this website for a sample of how this myth is remarkably similar across cultures that had little or no cross-pollination: http://www.dreamscape.com/morgana/titania.htm The Hebrew flood story (Noah) was written somewhere between 950 B.C. and 540 B.C., which makes it a more recent version of the myth than either the Greek or Babylonian versions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pizza the Hutt Posted May 3, 2000 Share Posted May 3, 2000 Face value? You believe that the universe was created in the six days documented in Genesis? That Noah was 600 years old at the time of the flood? That the Hebrew god (apparently) favors one race of people among thousands? It bothers me when people use religion as a crutch that substitutes for critical thinking. Maybe I'll write my own theological tome. That way, whenever somebody disagrees with me I can just hand them a copy and say, "it's in the book." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Darth_Simpson Posted May 3, 2000 Share Posted May 3, 2000 I agree again There is nosuch thing as an original religion, novadays at least. They all have evolved from back when people didnt know anything about the world around them, and made things up to have something to believe in, to secure themselves. A lot of religions have been created to make a few persons rich, "normal" people have been sacrifying and giving gifts to the Gods, and "God" took the gifts and used them himself. "God" in this connection is a normal person, not a supernatural power, just so you know it! ------------------ Hunger leads to donuts... [This message has been edited by Darth_Simpson (edited May 03, 2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jedi Kanigget Posted May 3, 2000 Share Posted May 3, 2000 Yes I believe God created EVERYTHING in six days, I believe there WAS a Noah, and a flood, I believe Jesus came down and was born to save humanity from sin. Religion, to some people, is a crutch, a way to explain things they don't understand. But to most, it is not a crutch, it is Truth, it's the way things were and are. You, arrogant that your vaunted science has all the answers, dismiss it as stories and myths created for the weak minded. Let me repeat again, science is NOT constant. It is always changing it's collective mind. What was considered true ten years ago is considered now to be false. I'm not dismissing all science as bunk, science has provided humans with countless things. What I am doing is pointing out the arrogance of science and scientists. Scientists are closed minded to things that cannot be explained. It can't scientifically be explained, therefor science deems it to be a myth, or impossible. It's almost as if science thinks it has advanced as far is it can go. That what it knows now is all their is. Scientists fifty years ago did not believe it was possible to go faster than the speed of sound. Obviously, they were wrong. There is very little that science has proven without a shadow of a doubt. Science is supposed to be true, not theories that you have to have faith in that it is true. We may have advanced greatly scientifically over the last century, but we are no where NEAR as advanced as we would like to think. Science doesn't have all the answers. Science won't have all the answers. Let me ask you this: Where did all the matter in the universe come from? One of science most basic laws is matter cannot be created or destroyed. So, what is it? Where did it come from? Evolutionary science is a religion. It has not been proven, only theorized. No one has witnessed evolution, therefore it cannot be proven. It CERTAINLY can not be proven mathematically. Scientist BELIEVE in evolution, they have FAITH that it is true, but they DO NOT have sufficient evidence to prove evolution. It bothers me that science so arrogantly claims it's right all the time when it constantly is changing.(I know I've said this before, but it warrants repeating) Scientists don't even totally understand how the human body works, how then can they explain the mysteries of the universe? I'm not trying to convert you, only to make you a little more open minded, and your mind is shut and locked tight against anything that seems to defy science. If you don't believe in God, or in religion, that's fine, just don't go around assuming that religious people are ignorant morons with blind faith. ------------------ Darth Wart's Strategy Guide in a friendly, easy to use form!(Sorry, that was bad.) http://JediPowerBattlesGuide.homestead.com/JPB.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hannibal Posted May 3, 2000 Share Posted May 3, 2000 Too much reading!!!! Eyes hurting!!!! BRAIN ON OVERLOAD!!!! SOMEONE HELP ME!!!! ------------------ Man-eating vice-president of the Un-Council Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Darth_Simpson Posted May 3, 2000 Share Posted May 3, 2000 I dont assume religious people are ignorant morons, I like a lot of people who believe in God. And science is based on facts, NOT myths like the Bible. Do you realise how much we know about the human body, or do you believe we are made out of clay? Maybe you should be a little more open-minded too. If you agree to that, so will I. ------------------ Hunger leads to donuts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ShadeShifter Posted May 3, 2000 Share Posted May 3, 2000 Well, if you want to get technical, our bodies are made from elements that can be found in dirt and rocks. ------------------ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Darth_Simpson Posted May 3, 2000 Share Posted May 3, 2000 Perhaps we are. Look, this discussion is bringing us nowhere, because nobody wants to give up their views on life. Let everyone believe what they want, I dont care as long as they dont try to convert me. Thankfully, you guys havent tried that. ------------------ Hunger leads to donuts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Barnabas Antilies Posted May 3, 2000 Share Posted May 3, 2000 Noah not existing is a nice thought. But they did find part of The Ark. I geuss it was someone elses Ark that fits the dimensions mentioned in the bible. ------------------ Father Barnabas Antilies, Supreme Chancelor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pizza the Hutt Posted May 4, 2000 Share Posted May 4, 2000 Open my eyes, then. Explain why the Noah story is lifted from similar stories from earlier cultures. Explain why you have a god who has a decided preference towards Westerners. Explain why he never bothered to grace Easterners with his almighty presence. This debate will end like all of the other religious debates throughout history. In all other realms of society, something must be proven to be accepted as fact. In religion, one gets the luxury of hiding behind a book that was written 2,000+ years ago. I understand why you don't want to question a religion you've always believed in. But blind faith in old stories is not the way the human race as progressed throughout history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pizza the Hutt Posted May 4, 2000 Share Posted May 4, 2000 If you're referring to the CBS show in '93, it was a hoax. There was no Noah's Ark. I mean, think about it. If the story is true, and the Ark did strike land in Turkey, then how do we have indigenous buffalo in North America. Did they swim? The Noah fable occured *well* after pangea, so don't try that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ikhnaton Posted May 4, 2000 Share Posted May 4, 2000 most Theologians agree that the great flood probably only took place in the area of Mesopotamia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest liquidkid Posted May 4, 2000 Share Posted May 4, 2000 "monekys... evolving from men?! i think it should be called EVILution!! yarg mateys!! i'll make yee walk the plank!!" monkeys can be pirates too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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