Keyan Farlander Posted April 25, 2003 Share Posted April 25, 2003 Originally posted by Nute Gunray Tchaikovsky Khatchaturian Mussorgsky Dvorak Vivaldi Gliere Halvorsen Holst Ipolitov Sain-Saens Berlioz Wagner Obnoxious, lacking any depth, obsessed with effect over substance, introduced inane programs into their music. Execept for Vivaldi. Everything he wrote was pretty much a rehash of something else he wrote. Not bad, but not worthy of being called the best. Granted, Tchaikovsky had some good ones, but no consistently high excellence. Piano Concerto No. 1, Violin Concerto, a couple of Ballets, a little piano music were good. The Symphonies were mostly crap, 1812 was mediocre, and I wouldn't use sheet music to the rest as toilet paper. None of these men is anything compared to Beethoven and the whole world knows it. I was expecting you to name at least one of the only three possible candidates: Bach, Handel, and Mozart. In the end, each falls short, but many come close in individual works (Handel) or in consistenly excellent output (Mozart). I suggest that the problem is either your self-confessed rejection of taste or else a much more common problem. And that is this: while Beethoven is certainly the greatest composer of all time, he is also, without exception, the most poorly performed composer of all time. So often, so often are the pieces performed too slowly, too loudly, with too many extra instruments, with incorrect or even absent feeling. The effect? Great music becomes average music. Take the 5th Symphony, something everybody knows (or at least the first few bars). I can think of two, maybe three recordings that exist of it that do not suck completely. If only I had more talent at the piano or with the violin. I would show the world the greatness of Beethoven then. Oh yes, I would show the world... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nute Gunray Posted April 26, 2003 Share Posted April 26, 2003 Nor was Beethoven Russian. Therein is his key failing! PS: "Effect over substance" immediately made me think of Wagner. Wagner was a zany German-Viking man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyan Farlander Posted April 26, 2003 Share Posted April 26, 2003 Originally posted by Nute Gunray Nor was Beethoven Russian. Therein is his key failing! Perhaps, but it is compensated for by the fact that he used 60 beans in every cup of coffee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nute Gunray Posted April 26, 2003 Share Posted April 26, 2003 that's a ****load of coffee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Odin Posted April 26, 2003 Share Posted April 26, 2003 that is a pickme up. I personally like Pachelbel's Canon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Beastie Posted April 26, 2003 Share Posted April 26, 2003 The mark of an intellectual snob is when one can hear the 1812 Overture without thinking of explosives or anvils. Or, perhaps, that insane DRD on Farscape Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nute Gunray Posted April 27, 2003 Share Posted April 27, 2003 I think of French cavalry charging across the Ukrainian steppe in those silly hats they wore back then and lo! Russian cannons come into view. The French ride on and suddenly Blam-o! French cavalry is turned into stir-fry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kylilin Posted April 27, 2003 Share Posted April 27, 2003 I think of that scene in Caddyshack when Rodney Dangerfield's Yacht gets a litle out of control and sinks anything in its way. Most Notable Quote: "I almost got head from Amelia Earhart!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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