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  1. Debate:: Rewriting M4-78 and Droid Factory for “KotOR III” (Weekend: 6.21 & 6.22)

    Welcome to the fourth installment of our “KotOR III” debate series.


    If you think about how science-fiction is written, you will know that anything and everything could happen. Even though the Droid Factory and M4-78 were destined to be in “KotOR II”, they do have the potential for revision. Since the levels and stories are extremely popular, incorporating them into “KotOR III” would be a gold mine. Pushing aside any other topics connected to them, the Droid Factory and M4-78 storylines have captured our curiosity and imagination. If you were to read the “Star Wars: Essentials” books, the Droid Factory has made it into canonization. Since the first ‘Expanded Universe’ novels, writers have reinvented so many other canonized stories. George Lucas himself took the liberty to reinvent how the Force works. Writers consistently tweak, bend, and stretch already established paradigms. Over the past several decades, Boba Fett’s escape from the Sarlacc has been rewritten eight or nine times. Boba Fett’s escape from the Sarlacc Pit is a revision to the story, which George had originally created for the character’s end in “Return to the Jedi”. When you compare Boba Fett’s expansion and revisions to the Droid Factory and M4-78, you cannot help but to consider them for “KotOR III”. Maybe the Droid Factory had survived the events of “KotOR II”, and now the new player character has to face a larger HK-50 army. Is the HK-50 design in “KotOR II” the final droid upgrade to HK-47?


    M4-78’s story can still be told, but through datapads and holograms. When it comes to the planet, M4-78 does have the potential for a “KotOR III” expansion. Even though the original story cannot be played out, the logic behind the planet can still be incorporated into a newer story. Since most of M4-78’s story is still unknown, learning about the events that took place in “KotOR II” would be interesting. What happened after the Exile left M4-78? What happened during the Sith occupation? Did the Exile even make it to M4-78? Could M4-78 be moved to the Unknown Regions?


    When looking back at everything we learned about the Droid Factory and M4-78, the potential for revision and rebuilding them is possible. Everything we have learned could be wiped out, so that an entirely new concept and direction can take place. Maybe the HK-50s look entirely different to the HK-37s. Maybe the Exile and HK-47 never found the Droid Factory. Did Master Vash really make it to M4-78? If they were incorporated into a “KotOR III”, would you be open-minded to a revision?



  2. The logic is companies making lots of $$$. Yeah yeah, I'm sure lots of people are saying, "I'll NEVER play a KotOR MMORPG", but I know they'd suck a number of you in, even with the monthly fees and all, because many people just wouldn't be able to resist.

    I resisted "Star Wars: Gallaxies". I allways felt that paying multiple times for a game is illogical. After I get home from buying a RPG, I want to open the box, install the game, and just jump into the story. I don't want to pay more, nor do I want to join in a group RPG. I just plainly don't like them. There are two other MMORPGs coming out soon, by big franchises, and I am not going to become a member of those either. Its just me.

  3. I am hoping for an extensive novel series of "Knights of the Old Republic". I just do not want the NJO team to make it. Grrr...


    When it comes to a third game, I don't think there will be a stand alone "KotOR" game. If the gossip becomes truth, I wouldn't want to play a MMORPG of "KotOR". I just don't see the logic behind those types of RPGs. I like to have my own story.

  4. Just finished watching This Week on BBC1 (for the many non Brits - its basically a weekly programme which sums up the weeks political developments).


    There was a debate on plagiarism; with a music artist (so famous I don't have a clue who it was was), saying that we all plagiarise, and that no one is 'original'; that people just change and adapt previous ideas.


    What are people's thoughts?

    Post-modernization has been fully realized. Lol... Yes. What he is saying is actually true. Art history professors at my college have expressed such a concern. We live in an era called "the Recycleables". I made that last one up. ;) We take allready established products and ideas, and then we recyle them into another piece of art. The last art movement that really ment something was established in the 1930s - 1960s.

  5. Well' date=' this wasn't much of a debate.[/quote']

    Yeah. After posting the topic for debate, I realized that it was more of a discussion. Oops. I have some other interesting topics and debates in mind, and I will post two for this Sunday. I will let you people know the topics tomorrow night. One will be a discussion and the other will be a debate.


    Summer "KotOR III" Debate Series

  6. Well I know in the UK it's becoming more difficult to fire people, and you would have to have examples of incompetence etc to be able to get rid of them. Only working contracted hours of 9-5 is not grounds to fire someone...

    Lol... I forgot that the visitors to these forums come from multiple countries. Where I live in the United States, the employee pool compared to job availability is pretty massive. If someone wanted to get rid of an employee, they will find it easy to replace the individual. Lol...

  7. I said either or. If there is more workers than jobs' date=' the employees have to adapt, If there is more jobs than workers, the emplyees have to adapt. In adition, the "best and brightest" are often able to demand it, even if there is no shortage of workers.[/quote']Oh, iI get it! Lol... I missread your posts. Since you put it that way, you do have a good point.
  8. No but read my post' date=' if the employer dosen't adapt when the employees have other job oportunities, they'll leave, and he/she'll be in deep trouble.[/quote']

    What actually occurs is that the employer hires another employee, and the original employee gets fired. Regardless about them having another job or not. I guess it depends on what the employee is originally hired for. If the person is asking for something to change for moral reasons, I can see where you are coming from.

  9. Personally I think its more than a theory and is quite interesting :p


    My on-line persona has little effect on my life outside of being on the computer; I do try to be helpful and kind to those of you I consider friends; and don't regard any of you as any one I know face to face.


    I dislike social hierarchies; people are people, I'm usually (especially in real-life) at the top of them, but I'll chat to anyone and I often dislike they ways those 'at the top' treat those 'at the bottom'.

    I hear you man. I am beginning to think: As long as a person is cognitive about the differences between online and offline activities, they will be able to assimilate into a company (society) with success. Personally, I have never seen the impact of a blog, and its possible lead to an actual job for a offline company.


    On the other topic::

    When a person is hired for a job, they have to adapt themselves to the standards of the employer. People are not hired to 'force' an employer to adapt.


    On the other topic::

    "Actual Self" was a psychological term, which Sociologist similar to Rollo May borrowed and introduced into Sociology from the psychologists. Hehehe... Yes, the subject is not boring, but it may be boring for the masses.

  10. Yes, at the time... At that time, I didn't have many good friends, and I lacked the logical, stong mind I have now... In attempting to be popular on a forum, I only made the people there very annoyed... You can read all about it in my blog... I do intend to reach a 1000 post count soon, which is why I've recently started postign more often, but that's only becaue I want to change my title to my own liking... I'm taking my time though, so that I do not spam up the forums in attmepting to reach 1,000 posts.

    It looks like there are two sides to online life. We have a set of positive aspects, which actually help people learn about themselves. On the flip side of the coin, some people take their online persona as if it actually has meaning. Interesting. Thanks for sharing.

  11. I used to cling to forums for the same reasons many of you are describing, but not anymore... There was one time, a logn time ago, when I clinged to a forum all day long, every moment of my time when I was not at school... I was so addicted to it that over half a year I have already achieved a sum of over 2,000 posts... Ah, the dark ages of my forum going...

    Was that because your offline socialization was meager? I mean no offense by the question. Just curious.

  12. Just like in real life' date=' as J7 wrote:[/quote']

    Yeah. Psychologists do believe that we put on social rolls, which do not actually represent our actual selves. There is a massive definition of it, but I won't get into the boring aspects of the theory.


    Do you personally believe that your prestige online should be respected offline? Where do you see your online persona and its roll in real life? Do you believe that people should take notice of the social hierarchy online but in real life?

  13. I think it gives 'nerds' a chance to practice social skills and to learn to take some risks without real-life consequences. Those skills do transfer over into real life and can help people that way.


    As for my importance here--my status is about as important as the pixels it comes with. If LF disappeared tomorrow I'd miss the people here surely, but being an s-mod here doesn't mean squat in Real Life, nor does it matter on the other forums I visit.

    Both very true, healthy, and logical statements. I wonder what the long term affects of an online life will be on the 'Millenials'. When it comes to the actualities of life, normal cognitions would distinguish the difference between reality and online socialization. I don’t want to call it ‘online socialization fantasy’, but we are actually engaged in a roll playing schema.


    To be honest I think the above is part and parcel of culture, and if an individual leaves work exactly at 5pm is everything to do with the culture an individual is surrounded by (which the internet is a part of).

    What about your roll as an employee? If your job requires that you need to stay until a project is finished, why would you leave early from work? Wouldn't you want to stay to fulfill your obligations?


    P.S. - Thanks for keeping this civilized.

  14. Sidenote:

    I think the more commonly used term (and one that's easier to pronounce) is "Millenials".

    Thanks man. I couldn't remember the actual designation. :)


    They're basically kids that haven't (or refuse to) grown up. In high school, even college to a lesser degree, people form clicks and may achieve status within that group. Unfortunately for most of them, it doesn't translate into the real world very well. You can even see this with rich and pampered kids who think that b/c their parents were wealthy or important that they were too. Usually, it only takes an introduction to the real world (or immersion in it) to beat the snot out of that preconception (at least for those with any sense).

    This came up during the conversation. It’s good to see that I wasn't the only one who may have heard of such phenomenon.


    I wonder if this is what psychologists were looking for. Studying the online affects on younger people has just begun, and maybe this is just the beginning of something new.

  15. What's the big deal' date=' either the employees will be forced to adapt or be fired, [b']or the employers will be forced to adapt [/b]or have a hard time adapting. Either way, no problem.




    The online persona can give them the confidence to "be something" offline. I have seen nerds get the courage after first "beeing something" online. So yes, it can have an effect. I might be biased though as I'm (barley) a "mileniumist myself

    Interesting statement. Please give more information on this logic. (The bolded stuff.)

  16. I don't consider people any more special online than offline. If they're great people, they're going to be that way whether on or offline. If they're complete jerks, they're going to be that way no matter where they are.

    I understand what you are saying.


    What I am looking at is the psychological aspects to how people perceive an online life, and how they weigh it against the real world.


    Example: You are Jae Onasis a member of LucasForums online, but in real life you are someone's mother and wife. You have an actual job, which you use your real name and credentials. When you are online in a forum, you will say things differently than at home or in work. I hope you do anyway. Lol... Imagine if you walked around work saying, "I am the Super Moderator at LucasForus.com, and I demand respect for my online status and prestige." Some of the stuff I am hearing is that 'Milleniumists' actually believe their online prestige means something in real life.

  17. Why Our Status Online Means Nothing In Real Life.


    While driving from interview to interview, I was listening to an interesting conversation on the radio. One of the talk show hosts on local 96.9 FM brought up an issue, which is geared towards the next generation of workers. According to several people who I have talked to offline, I found out that Generation 'Y' is called the Milleniumists. It turns out that the 'Milleniumists', young adults between the ages of 18-27, have problems with distinguishing between online life and real life. As a result of buying into their online status, they believe that they are actually someone in real life. When it comes to working for an actual employer, the ‘Milleniumists’ are having issues with assimilating. Instead of staying to finish a project, they leave exactly at 5:00. (Other words, they don’t stay overtime.) Instead of doing certain small annoying tasks that come with a job, they believe they have a choice in picking what jobs they will do. According to what I have learned on the radio and television, some ‘Milleniumists’ believe their online persona is actually important to real life. Most ‘Milleniumists’ believe that an online prestige actually has weight on what you do offline. I am unsure if all this is true, so I want to hear your words on this topic. Just because you are special online, it does not mean you anything offline.


    What do you think?

  18. Tim 'The Man' Russert. If I had an opportunity to meet anyone in life, I would had loved to have known him personally. During the Monica events of President Clinton, I became interested in watching "Meet the Press". Mr. Russert was an all out intellegant and caring individual. We have lost an individual who can never truely be replaced. My thoughts and prayers are with his family and friends.


    "If its Sunday, its Meet the Press."


    The Source

  19. Sorry for my tardiness. I got caught up in playing “Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines.”


    Debate: Independent Side-Quests and Reward Systems. (On Sunday!) :: Spoilers Inside!

    Welcome to our third installment in the KIII Summer Debate Series!


    When it comes to story depth and variety, “Knights of the Old Republic I’ delivered in a massive and original way. Outside of the main Revan story arch, “KotOR I” gave the player a vast world of options and choices. As you travel with your companions, you enter into their psychological world of anger, sadness, and triumph. On top of the npc side-quests, the player was also confronted by other minor side-quests. “KotOR I” gives a player a multi-layered and in-depth experience, which includes independent npc side quests, secondary side quests, and a main story arch. Fast-forward a whole year later, “KotOR II” delivered a different experience. Instead of giving the npcs and pc the ability to fulfill independent side-quests, “KotOR II’s” main story arch fused your companions’ quests with your own. Kreia, Mira, Canderous, Atton, Visas, and Handmaiden’s story arch were built into the main quest. Within the structure and style of “KotOR I”, Jolee, Bastila, Mission, and Carth had independent side-quests. If you wanted to skip one of them, you were able to just ignore the character. “KotOR II” did allow you to fulfill a ‘turn an npc into a Jedi’ side quest, but it didn’t really involve too much action and adventure. Instead of following the “KotOR I” style of storytelling, “KotOR II” used extensive dialogue to convince your companions to turn into a Jedi or Sith. These are very different and unique forms of storytelling, which cater to two different types of audiences. Outside of the npc side quests, “KotOR I” had a multi-layered and in depth experience of the characters and events that unfolded around you. Everything from the simplest to largest creature had its story. “KotOR II’s” mini-side quests were simple and quick. Resolution of the side quests were only a few modules away from where they started. If you had a choice on the mater, which style of side-quests and storytelling do you want in “KotOR III”?


    Another point of interest we will talk about is the reward system. “KotOR II” had delivered an interesting addition called ‘random loot’. When you play through the game, the loot you obtain will always alternate. Instead of getting similar items constantly, you were able to get alternative items on a second play through. “KotOR I’s” approach was more strategic in nature. When you play the game for a second, third, or fourth time, the items stay consistent. Some people may not like the ‘random loot’ approach. Should “KotOR III” have a ‘random loot’ system, ‘strategic loot’ system, or a ‘hybrid loot system’?

  20. There was good episode of Charlie Rose on Tuesday night about oil and a discussion about the future of big oil companies. The conclusion by Charlie's guests was that the big oil companies were now in a period of long-term liquidation of assets, shrinking their operations as they fail to find new oil sources. This stands in comparison to small- to mid-sized oil companies who are using more innovative techniques and becoming profitable.


    Exxon specifically was mentioned in regards to their recent shareholders meeting where discussions about their expenditure of buying back their own stock as a short term boost was now hurting themselves in the long run.



    http://www.charlierose.com/shows/2008/06/10/1/a-discussion-about-the-price-of-oil @27:30

    Huh. I did not know this. Charlie Rose on WHGH has interesting guests. Maybe he will repeate the episode. I will keep my eyes open. Thanks TK.

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