Comm539 Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 There seems to be some arguemnets against featuresbeing toggleable so s/o ctf can become workable. To repeat, they would be toggleable, so you only have them back if you want them. Dfa no longer requires force to implement Forward and side kicks reintroduced out of los gripping reintroduced pull throw kick reintroduced These are necessary to stop the fc in s/o ctf games, so you can finish him with w/e new strategies you like. Since there are no new ways to stop a player who wishes to 'run', then s/o ctf can only be fixed by adding the old features. If you disagree with this fair patch (you only have them if you want them), then please answer: How to kill an fc who doesn't want to be stopped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the weiner dog! Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 1-It is an entirely new game. 2-Give it some time it's only been out a few days. 3-It is not Jedi Outcast, the same things won't work. 4-Learn and adapt. 5-How can you say you have mastered it yet? Ok guys, I just shot down your cliché catch phrases, no give us an answer: Waits... Waits... Hears crickets chirping... Waits... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comm539 Posted September 22, 2003 Author Share Posted September 22, 2003 lol....waits.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megafu Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 saberthrow then pull/push. Don't think this will slow them down, but it does do some pretty good damage. I totally agree with all the other posts you have posted, but haven't seen this said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comm539 Posted September 22, 2003 Author Share Posted September 22, 2003 This is pull throw which i think was taken out too. But it won't slow them down and with a dedicated healer/energizer, its pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 Originally posted by the weiner dog! Ok guys, I just shot down your cliché catch phrases, no give us an answer: No, you listed the catchphrases, you didn't even so much as try to answer them. *sigh* This is not our problem, but you make it seem as if it is. The burden is on you and you alone - people happy with the status quo couldn't care less, but some of us are actually trying to help anyway. The very hostile "Fix it or we'll leave!" attitude isn't going to sit well with Raven either, and frankly, neither I nor most other people aren't going to care if the s/o CTF community vanishes overnight - it's only a fraction of the playerbase. You're a very vocal fraction, I'll give you that, but interesting parallels could be drawn to the whole 1.03 issue, where a very vocal minority of people wanted a patch so badly, which resulted in said patch ruining the gameplay. And where does this lead us? That the vast group of average players do not, and feel no need for a patch currently, while you are screaming your heads off. If you get Raven to make this, good on you - but if not, all the better for the rest of us who don't want it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Th4t Guy Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 I geuss u could get 5 ppl to throw their sabers all at once and have a sixth person pull and then they are dead:rolleyes: ...now all u have something like ts or ventrillo for everyone on ur team make sure they are all around the fc. And of course if u were in a match that would require ur whole team plus 1 person unless u r playing 6vs6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megafu Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 i think it's still there, used it, gotta throw then as the saber approaches, pull. i think it does like between 30-50 damage no armor. So in essense it'll take your whole team to kill the fc. Maybe convincing home to type 'kill' in the console might be the only way. i returned my copy couple days ago so i actually don't care anymore, this "series" lost it's fun factor in 1.03. btw, you div3rse guys, you remember some guys named REN and Stimpy from JO? I think i've played with you guys, don't remember if it was that clan or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comm539 Posted September 22, 2003 Author Share Posted September 22, 2003 The s/o ctf community was the biggest community in JK2. It was also the only remaining community to still be active when JA was released. On that alone, I believe raven should at least listen to why s/o ctf has become a stalemate. We're just fed up of people saying 'learn the game.' Fact is, most things are from jk2 whether you want to admit it or not. There are some new things, but none can in anyway stop someone who wants to be stopped. Its not a question of mastering new things, because no matter how skillfull at a kata you are, theres no way its gonna chase down and stop an fc for ya. This is why we need to old ways. I realise you have tried to help[, but i believe i gave valid reasons why the suggestions wouldn't work. Just ask again and we'll try to explain more clearly why they wouldn't work. No one has actually said: How to stop an fc in JA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the weiner dog! Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 Waits... lol Pull throws do 30 damage guys, and remember any decent clan is going to have a team healing escort with the capper and in some cases an energizer as well, so 30 hp of damage is not going to cut it when he can be healed to 100 hp in a single second. not to mention *if you use your whole team to kill a capper with pull throws... who keeps the base clear of back up cappers? yeah didn't think about that did you? most teams will leave a secondary capper at the base for an instant grab on return. hence a stale mate like we said and have said all along. Come on guys, you people love to lecture us and tell us how to play, give us the answer... Waits.... And Cjas, the same can be said about any game type. You know as well as I do that this game basically is broken into several sub sections of roughly equal proportions. The no force duel crowd is no larger than the competitive full force saber only community. And you know as well as I do if they would have given you guys 2 new stances with a few limited swings but taken away 40% of the swings and combos from the old style, yet left the weakest and most unused (due to ineffectiveness) elements in, you no force duel people would be doing the same thing we are right now. And your comparison between anything that went on in 1.02/03 with spinning dfa's and back stabs and what is going on now is totally absurd. -they (back stab whiners) were noobs. Pure and simple. They were getting killed and were too stupid to figure out how to stop it. -we are not noobs. If anything we are the ones who did all of the killing and made these people get pissed off and come here complaining. -we are not having any trouble killing people on public servers. As I have stated before, this community is about 75% noob, 25% decent player. The problem we are having is when that 25% part of the community plays each other games become a total stalemate due to the fact we play much more defensively and smarter than the rest of the 75% of players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 Originally posted by Comm539 The s/o ctf community was the biggest community in JK2. I won't try backing that up with actual numbers, but I'll remain skeptic on this point - My guess is that there are far, far more "Joe Average" people who only play online once in a while, and if they do, it's not going to be a specialized gametype like s/o CTF, most likely FFA, duel or Siege instead. It was also the only remaining community to still be active when JA was released. Hmmm.... Along with the FFA and duel ones, I might add. We're just fed up of people saying 'learn the game.' Fact is, most things are from jk2 whether you want to admit it or not. I'm well aware of that. No point in denying it. I realise you have tried to help[, but i believe i gave valid reasons why the suggestions wouldn't work. Just ask again and we'll try to explain more clearly why they wouldn't work. No one has actually said: How to stop an fc in JA. Now, I understand what you mean, but the problem is that you're going about it the wrong way - you are grapping people by their throats and demanding that they provide a way to solve your problem, otherwise you're allowed to gloat and already have a patch in the works - or, you're going to quit and be none too happy about it. I realize this isn't what you intend to do, but that's how it looks like from the sideline. And what are we going to do? Most people might see your points but can't care to voice their agreeance, and the rest might be scared to even come with constructive criticism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 Originally posted by the weiner dog! Come on guys, you people love to lecture us and tell us how to play, give us the answer... Waits.... This is what I'm talking about. Don't give me 'tude, bro. I don't care about your problems - don't delude yourself into thinking that I do. You know as well as I do that this game basically is broken into several sub sections of roughly equal proportions. "Roughly equal proportions"? The no force duel crowd is no larger than the competitive full force saber only community. If that's so, how come there are far more servers for the first one? Makes no sense to say that when the servercount speaks for itself. And you know as well as I do if they would have given you guys 2 new stances with a few limited swings but taken away 40% of the swings and combos from the old style, yet left the weakest and most unused (due to ineffectiveness) elements in, you no force duel people would be doing the same thing we are right now. No - everyone would be whining and grabbing Raven's balls. There's a clear difference in that most people here simply don't care for your solutions to the problem. -they (back stab whiners) were noobs. Pure and simple. They were getting killed and were too stupid to figure out how to stop it. Noobs? Don't give me that elitist trite again - I reckon you're talking about players of inferior skill to you, but that'd rule out most everyone. Problem was that if they were to do anything about the backstab, the solution would turn the game into jousting matches, cutting out the fun that most people had using all the other techniques, and that's why so many players left in disgust. Sure, they couldn't win, but the terms on winning were ruining the game for them as it were. Can't blame them. -we are not having any trouble killing people on public servers. As I have stated before, this community is about 75% noob, 25% decent player. Is that so? How happy I am that you invent such arbitrary numbers - since I'm clearly not a skilled player, I must be a "noob" by simple deduction. Have you ever thought that there were many people that simply played for the heck of it, but weren't necessarily bad at the game? Or is everyone not taking the game as seriously as you a noob? I don't get these labels at all, I'm sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the weiner dog! Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 Again as I told Al, why are you even commenting on this then? This is not your field of expertise, you do not play this game type, you are not involved in this aspect/sub section of the community, you have no idea how large this community is, so why even comment on it? Will our changes affect the no force duel crowd? Nope. Why get all up in arms then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comm539 Posted September 22, 2003 Author Share Posted September 22, 2003 Everyone who isn't competetive = nub j/k We demand alternate ways in response to comments like: 'kicking is lame' 'learn something new' 'kciking is for noobs' 'I don't want kicking in JA because...' Yeh w/e. Say that, but provide us with alternate ways of stopping an fc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Th4t Guy Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 Hey weiner dog i hope u know i was just kiddin with what i said about the 5 ppl pt'ing. I know its not possible. i have played long enough to know that i was tryin to make a joke out of what megafu said but oh well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traj Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 It's getting tough to tell which are jokes and which aren't with some of the replies we've recieved on the subject. To be honest, your response wasn't the worst one I've read, and you were joking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyehead Posted September 23, 2003 Share Posted September 23, 2003 Comm, I think the answer to your question can only be supplied in the patch that I'm sure will eventually be released. Who knows when that will be. It's pretty much a fact that you can't stop a fc who knows what he's doing without the old elements. I haven't seen anyone with a soltion yet, but then again, it's only been a few days. My suggestion is to practice the lame new saber styles, hope that they buff up single saber a bit (underpowered imo) and wait for them to fix some stuff. I'm sure it will all end on a better note. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jello123 Posted September 23, 2003 Share Posted September 23, 2003 Originally posted by megafu btw, you div3rse guys, you remember some guys named REN and Stimpy from JO? I think i've played with you guys, don't remember if it was that clan or not. yeah..they're old skool divs..haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Side Posted September 23, 2003 Share Posted September 23, 2003 (sorry if i repeat myself) The question...once again still got 0 answer How do you kill a FC So beside flaming s/o ctf community answer this question first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Break_dF Posted September 23, 2003 Share Posted September 23, 2003 What is fc?... I am newb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
{DHU}Screed Posted September 23, 2003 Share Posted September 23, 2003 U stand on top of where their flag is located and spam Kata over and over while you have an energizer give you force Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabrobot Posted September 23, 2003 Share Posted September 23, 2003 Has anyone thought of the fact that perhaps Raven tweaked things so that players now have to use all the tools which Raven put in, in order to get anywhere? Perhaps playing, with half of these taken out, doesn't work because...half of it's left out? Raven directed their attention on balancing everything out, and that included taking out kick, obviously since they took out kick. They designed JA CTF with everything in mind...that includes the force powers, the saber styles and their new moves and it includes the guns...all nine of them and three explosive devises. Now, if you want to take away some of your most valuable tools, fine...but remember that it's going to cause problems. Now, if a kick option were put in, then you're saying that it wouldn't cause problems because only people who want to use will use it. Well, if Raven made it so that you could kill people by jumping on their heads, then people would use that option because of how easy it makes killing people. You just have to manage jumping on their head, right? So what you'd end up with is a bunch of idiots jumping around trying to jump on each others heads. Nice, eh? There goes all of Raven's careful balancing. Now, Kicking is as bad as jumping on someone’s head to kill them. Why? Because its easy...everyone would go around trying to kick each other, just like in JKII...I don't know just how much of that went on in CTF or FFA games, but Duels were complete ****...everyone doing those stupid bows and "honor" and killing each other by being the fastest kicker rather then a skilled saberist...it completely ruined Duel mode. (The "honor" **** was bad enough without the battles being completely devoid of skill.) Now, if you're half way intelligent, you'll have figured out what my reply, to your original question, was... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the weiner dog! Posted September 23, 2003 Share Posted September 23, 2003 Originally posted by Th4tguy Hey weiner dog i hope u know i was just kiddin with what i said about the 5 ppl pt'ing. I know its not possible. i have played long enough to know that i was tryin to make a joke out of what megafu said but oh well... Actually I thought you were serious because it's one of the things we thought about doing ourselves. Hey at least you tried to come up with a tactic, that's how all good strats & combos get developed. Originally posted by dFiend What is fc?... I am newb. And an fc would be a Flag Carrier. Now if that fc were a dancingFool he would be a... Raggh he would be a pirate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyehead Posted September 23, 2003 Share Posted September 23, 2003 I think you're missing the point, which is that guns suck, and that's not an option to solve the problem of what our question was, your reply was, 'lamers, shut up and use guns because s/o ctf is dumb' We would prefer if you're not going to stick to our subject, or give an answer which you know we're not going to ignore, that you politely mind yer own business, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megafu Posted September 23, 2003 Share Posted September 23, 2003 hey d.jello, REN = megafu those days were so fun. We stopped playing after the 1.04 patch. I see diverse is still going strong. i never really played much with you guys, think STIMPY actually got in and told me to join too. Those were the days... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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