Model Format Cracked??

[xxss]

Rofl, how conveniant.

 

NewsFlash: They never cracked anything, this is blatently obvious.

 

MgNalis, you are, for lack of better (and polite) terms, an idiot.

 

Your progress? What progress? What did YOU contribute to anything, except a gigantic writeup which consists of others ideas. 'RevansEstate'? Are you joking? Nothing more than the matale estate, with nothing changed.

 

90% of those retextures belonged to other people, their work, not yours. So you re-named some of the classes, big woop.

 

You never made any significant progress and are using this as a scapegoat to escape complition of another promise to the KOTOR community. You never cracked the models either.

 

*Rolls eyes* You're a laughing stock, can't you see that? Get real man.

 

PS- No offense to those members of AE that actually contributed something, and who'se work is posted.

[Doom_Dealer]

ok, ive seen most of those screenshots before, and i am still to see a screenshot of a model in game.

 

I was never really a major part of this team (at all), and i cant say ive done alot except prepare a few models of my own for when this so called mdl thing comes out.

Therefore, i will be leaving the mod until i see proof of this model editor.

 

DD

[*Atris*]

Originally posted by xxss

Rofl, how conveniant.

 

NewsFlash: They never cracked anything, this is blatently obvious.

 

MgNalis, you are, for lack of better (and polite) terms, an idiot.

 

Your progress? What progress? What did YOU contribute to anything, except a gigantic writeup which consists of others ideas. 'RevansEstate'? Are you joking? Nothing more than the matale estate, with nothing changed.

 

90% of those retextures belonged to other people, their work, not yours. So you re-named some of the classes, big woop.

 

You never made any significant progress and are using this as a scapegoat to escape complition of another promise to the KOTOR community. You never cracked the models either.

 

*Rolls eyes* You're a laughing stock, can't you see that? Get real man.

 

PS- No offense to those members of AE that actually contributed something, and who'se work is posted.

 

 

you dont have a f**king clue what you are on about mgnails and teh other team members are working there asses off to do this mod so keep you gob shut, until you get your facts right:mad:

[xxss]

No, I've stated the facts. You tease us with rediculous propsistions, claiming to have unlocked models etc. and provide NO PROOF AND NO SCREEN SHOTS.

 

And English is a privaledge, not a right. You've offered no argument worth responding to, so lets just wait and see what the rest of the community thinks.

 

Doom_Dealer- Good move? lol.

[*Atris*]

hmmmmm doom dealer has dropped out of the team the same day a site with all our information (which is only available to team members) comes out.........a bit convinient?

[Seprithro]

can't...help it... must...fuel...flames!!!

 

"you all can figure the model format out by yourselves. I'd say good luck with the next 5 years of cracking it because you really are heading in the wrong direction with the model format."

 

if you didnt crack it, how would you know how far off we are?

Look man don't pout, if you to stop working on mod, then stop, if you don't then don't. If I truely wanted to do something, that i knew i was capable of, no -one around here could stop me, or discourage me from doing it. I mean grow up, if you can pull this off, do it, and don't worry what anybody says, and do it on your own time table. BUT stop blowing it up our butts! BTW just to add some more fuel to the fire, you asked me to help on project, you needed some textures tweaked, I said I may be intrested, asked you to send me the files, so i could see if i could help, and they never came, you gave some good excuses why, but if you really had something to show me, you could've just emailed it to me, right? but as i said before, dont mind us, just do whatever you want, when you what, but keep quite about it till you show some real results.

[Doom_Dealer]

Originally posted by lowiej

hmmmmm doom dealer has dropped out of the team the same day a site with all our information (which is only available to team members) comes out.........a bit convinient?

 

o piss off, you really think id call myself sithchick?

 

 

-edit- and im actually leaving cos i have exams for the next 3 weeks, sorry to dissapoint you but id like to do well.

[mgnails]

I KNOW this stuff about the model format becasue we DID crack it. If you people would be patient...........you will GET THE DAMN THING!!!!!

[*Atris*]

sorry doomdealer its just i cant figure out how some one got this information.

 

 

hey i just went on the site shes deleted the stuff

[Fred Tetra]

OK, kids, quiet down!

 

It is easy to misjudge someone when all you have to go on is their posts on a forum board. There's no telling what they're really like, how busy they are, or what they're doing.

 

I suggest that some folks should turn down the flames and count to 10....

 

It really is up to Mgnails whether he/she releases anything. I have worked on a number of *paying* projects that didn't pan out because of funding/mismanagement/unforseen issues/lack of time. Sometimes things are as easy as they seem, sometimes not; coordinating any sort of a team that is working on a volunteer basis is also very difficult. I can look at other games and find quite a few mods that never took off because there just wasn't the spare time on the part of the team members or because of technical issues. Whether or not anything gets released *is* up to the author and/or team. If I decided to quit working on Kotor Tool, that'd be "just too bad", to be sure, but the decision to do so would remain mine alone.

 

That said, I offer this advice, for what it's worth (which may not be much, heh heh). If you're going to work on a mod or skin or tool, it is best to have something to show for it before you announce it. People are just that skeptical about things after all of the vaporware the game publishers have delivered (e.g. Duke Nukem Forever, etc.) If I had announced Kotor Tool first, then wrote it, those 5 nights it took to get the first version out would be largely filled with requests for a demo/screenshot/etc. and skepticism. Instead, I put out a rather simple version of the tool that could let you extract some files and edit *.2da files ... after it was written. Limited, buggy, but tangible. If you have something to show off, do so.

 

To my fellow forum members:

What Mgnails has to offer could be very handy to the folks who share the common interest of Kotor modding. If he/she has created a tool or even just discovered something about the model format, it is *still* up to him/her to decide whether or not to share it. And I hope it will be.

 

To Mgnails:

If you have something to share, I'd love to see what it is. It is always cool to see what other folks are working on. Take what other folks say as a grain of salt and you'll be happier in life. To quote the title of the book about physicist Richard Feynman, "What do you care what other people think?"

However.... if you are one of those folks who shows up on forums some times who promises but doesn't deliver, you'll see no flames or harsh words from me, but I will be disappointed; nothing more.

 

Fatherly,

Fred

[Weiser_Cain]

Fine, I'll hold my tongue...

[Doom_Dealer]

wise words fred tetra.

 

all pay homeage to the god he is.

[JackJJackal]

***EDIT**** Look, I apologise for anything that I have said that upsets anyone here, I have great respect for all of you and your talents. My intention here was merely to defend the AE team not to enrage anyone.

[Webber]

Thx to Fred T. there is a chance that this can get to be an ordinary and peacful forum again. Let the AE team do theirs and you yours, when or if something comes I am sure the AE team will back up its actions. As mostly I wasn't disappointed seeing the promised work from many of you here on the forum.

Rome wasn't created on 1 day or 6.

 

Other than that, I wish you peace and prosperity!

[Fred Tetra]

These are the sorts of attitudes I like to see here, now....

 

Milk and cookies for everyone!

[Arteale]

Originally posted by sithchick

I know we are all annoyed with mgnails not giving us info, he sits on his arse and gets people to do stuff for him (i know ive bin on the site)

 

so i have "aquired" some info and put it on a website VIEW IT

 

it has the story line the party the classes and some pics aswell i did aboput an hour ago and will keep adding to it.

http://kotor.8m.com

 

Hah. Hah.

 

You know, it's too bad you got Chemix's storyline as that isn't the final one because I haven't posted the re-written and revised version. And who's to say the classes and party aren't final and wasn't all that stuff on the front page?

 

As for the sitting on the ass part, what do you think supervisor's actually do?

 

Anyways, I'm going to congratulate you on stealing someone's work, so that you could steal someone else's work.

 

For the record, MgNails is a guy. Plus, this is a busy time of the (school) year as several of us (including myself) are graduating from school. Plus there is exams as many of you know so you'll have to forgive us for being slightly busy.

 

ANYWAYS. I'm going with Fred now. I wanted to clear that stuff up, and that should have, any further flames should be promptly PMed to my inbox so I can efficiently delete them.

[Weiser_Cain]

Originally posted by Arteale

Hah. Hah.

 

You know, it's too bad you got Chemix's storyline as that isn't the final one because I haven't posted the re-written and revised version. And who's to say the classes and party aren't final and wasn't all that stuff on the front page?

 

As for the sitting on the ass part, what do you think supervisor's actually do?

 

Anyways, I'm going to congratulate you on stealing someone's work, so that you could steal someone else's work.

 

For the record, MgNails is a guy. Plus, this is a busy time of the (school) year as several of us (including myself) are graduating from school. Plus there is exams as many of you know so you'll have to forgive us for being slightly busy.

 

ANYWAYS. I'm going with Fred now. I wanted to clear that stuff up, and that should have, any further flames should be promptly PMed to my inbox so I can efficiently delete them.

Please just be quiet if you have nothing to add about the decompiler...

[Arteale]

Originally posted by Weiser_Cain

Please just be quiet if you have nothing to add about the decompiler...

 

-It is a plugin/script a model editing program uses to decompile existing .mdl or .mdx files into an editable form. It or an accompanying recompiler will then compile it into a KotOR useable model format.

-It IS in fact, shiny.

 

Anything else you want me to say about it?

[T7nowhere]

Alright, while I was at work In the real world. Alot of things were said and I think it has reached it's conclusion.

 

As the final post in this thread It will be locked.

 

To mgnails: I don't think your an idiot even though I have never really talked to you. What I do think and know is that you have posted quite often(not so much recently)about mods Your making and yet I have never seen any reason to believe that you have the skill to accomplish your goals. That does not mean that I would ever interfere with anyone's modding efforts no matter how outlandish it seems to me and if I could in any way help I will(if I was so inclined) You do seem to be very enthusiastic about making something for our community, but that can take you only so far. It is unfortunate that some of your TEAMs work was stolen and posted without authorization, but it appears that it was removed. I have absolutely no problem that "your teams" efforts with modding KotOR be kept secret as far as the mod storyline and so on.

 

mgnails I encourage you to read this thread again and try to look at it from another perspective. I also encourage your friends to come forward with any knowledge that they may have of the model formatt. You say cchargin is headed in the wrong direction then help him out. He has expressed a genuine desire to decode the models.

 

I release some good info on whats going on, and you greedy people have to have more.

 

You accuse people of being greedy and yet you have wanted to with hold technical data on an aspect of modding KotOR that many have wanted from day one. We should be in this together. The only way that knowledge will grow is though mutual cooperation and colaboration. The brains we have working together the better.

 

This is a lesson for you to remember. I don't know if you have ever noticed, but game fans are a ravenous bunch of people and if you intend on continuing your efforts and plans then you will need to grow a thicker skin. Don't take it so personally.

 

I have read your apology for getting a little heated.

It happens sometimes and Im glad you want to help further the kowledge about modding.

 

This forum and the incredible efforts of many intelligent and skilled people have made this game modable.Your project would most likely be nothing more than an Idea without it.

 

Share the knowledge or don't, but say nothing If you are unwilling to share.