Mod Pack for us Newbies

[AstalderS]

/*The link to this mod Pack has been removed at the agreement of Forum Moderators. You did list all the mod authors but that is simply not enough. One Of the rules of this Forum Is to not post anyone elses work without Permission. If however you do in the future take the time to contact each mod author and get permission, this type of thing will be unnessesary.*/

 

Below is the included readme, followed by a personal note from an outsider to the insiders:

 

 

ReadMe

This is a combo pack for people like myself that know nothing about modding, but love the work you all do. Unfortunately it is a very time consuming process to find these works if you aren't a skilled viewer of this board (so many broken links, etc.). A case in point would be the Zaalbar skin and Bastila Underwear, after my initial find of those two items I have not been able to track down the location again to find the creator (no readme was included).

 

In choosing these mods I tried to find things that would enhance gameplay choices while maintaining the integrity of the original game. As a result most of what is offered in this pack is new skins and PC choices. To newcomers like myself, other than the rewrite of the Padawan Mod and the combo of the 2DA's for the new PC additions, many of these things are easy to add (simply a matter of dropping the files in your Overrides folder - it's when they conflict that it's difficult) on your own so I encourage you to try it out.

 

Simply extract the contents of this zip (minus the readme) into your Overrides folder, then you're done! The following modifications have been combined in the contents of this zip:

 

By Weiser Cain:

Juhani Skins (Generally looks better)

HK-47 Skin (He's black)

Scoundrel Skins (Starting clothes look better)

Mission Skin (Dressed in black)

Female Exar Kun Armor Skin (Generally looks better)

 

By: Therin

Female Calo Nord Armor Skin (Generally looks better)

 

By Shimaon:

Additional PC Males (Uthar & Bandon)

 

By Nequam:

Additional PC Female (Great unique DS look)

 

By Svösh:

Good & Evil Bastila Skins (Blonde hair, new clothes before/after)

Jolee Skin (New clothes)

 

By Nequam and T7nowhere:

Modern Jedi Robes Pack (Jedi robe meets military camo)

 

By Talchia:

Padawan MOD V1.3e (Skip Endar Spire, Start as Jedi w/choice of Class/Saber Color)

**Note: I changed the dialogue in this mod so it flowed better.

 

Author(s) Unknown:

Zaalbar Skin

Bastila in Skanky Underwear

 

 

Poster's Note

I know this may or may not conflict with the general practices of this board, as I got reprimanded once already for not listing the author of each mod (hince the new version). I would just like to say the following, the spirit of modders isn't always in line with the spirit of every gamer out there. You guys consider this a hobby, a past time, which is why you're good at it (and you get attatched to your work), and why you're ok with some of the hoops you jump through around here to combine things. The problem is the average gamer is simply interested in the betterment of the game, and this board can be quite overwhelming from that perspective (as if modding a game wasn't hard enough, working around people's cyberrights at the same time is harder). I posted this not because I have any desire to join the modding community (I lack the time as well as the artistic talent), not because I wanted to step on someone's toes (I found this board two days ago, I'm in no way part of this community), but because I found finding things on this board (and then making them work together) to be incredibly difficult. This purpose of this file is to help get people like myself, who just want to plug and play (not spend a weekend reading through six dozen threads and innumerable broken links), started. I apologize if I've stepped on anyone's toes, and I encourage the mods to delete this thread if this is too out of line on my part (I have nothing invested in this, and I already said I have no desire to develop some kind of virtual portfolio here).

[Mav]

All I can say is that people spend a lot of time workin gon their respective mods and for what? Sure we do get a feeling of accomplishment when we finish something, but I hope I can speak for everyone when I say that we do most of our work so htat the people out there and ourselves can have a better time playing the game. As for the "I don't like looking through broken links" comment, you should just go to pcgamemods.com because almost all of the newer mods are going over there now.

 

Originally posted by AstalderS

I posted this not because I have any desire to join the modding communit

 

As for the comment above I am considerably dissapointed by this comment because basically what you are saying is that you enjoy downloading these mods for free that we all put a lot of time into yet you have no desire to be a part of this community. This is just completely discouraging and disappointing because it is a horrible attitude.

 

I'm fairly positive that people don't mind you gathering their mods, but don't just post their name get their damn permission.

[AstalderS]

I'm glad you agree that people make mods to better the game for others.

 

As for the comment above I am considerably dissapointed by this comment because basically what you are saying is that you enjoy downloading these mods for free that we all put a lot of time into yet you have no desire to be a part of this community. This is just completely discouraging and disappointing because it is a horrible attitude.

 

I'm sorry you read it that way, I do enjoy downloading them, and I do have a desire to participate. That said, I lack the skill and time to do so, and I'm not sure I could tolerate putting the placement of someone's Modding Portfolio above the furtherment of the game and the publishment of the work in a way that everyone can use and understand it.

 

I'm fairly positive that people don't mind you gathering their mods, but don't just post their name get their damn permission.

 

I apologize for combining a series of files into a manner that allows someone other than yourself to use them without spending 48 hours sifting through dozens of threads and rewriting code. I apologize for not emailing a dozen people so I could ask their permission to make their mods easily available to others. That's my only complaint with all the great work here, it's great: but it is all published in a way where basically only yourselves could use it as a well oiled set.

 

I'm sorry my attempt to make the game better for the average newbie that knows nothing of modding offends you.

 

There, I said I'm sorry. Twice I've posted this attempt to be nice to people like myself, and twice I've been yelled at. Frankly I don't like it one bit... delete the post if you wish (I deleted it myself last night out of disgust, but not this time). In addition to the stuff I said above, if there's a single reason I don't want to learn to mod KOTOR it's this establishment mentality that the virtual copyrights of someone's modification of a legally copyrighted game are somehow more important than the overall betterment of the game for the general gaming public.

 

Sorry if that was a bit snippy, but I'm getting a little frusturated between two days of post sniffing, code combination, and being yelled at for my efforts. This'll be my last post on this board.

 

Thanks for the encouragement!

[AstalderS]

I'm glad you agree that people make mods to better the game for others.

 

As for the comment above I am considerably dissapointed by this comment because basically what you are saying is that you enjoy downloading these mods for free that we all put a lot of time into yet you have no desire to be a part of this community. This is just completely discouraging and disappointing because it is a horrible attitude.

 

I'm sorry you read it that way, I do enjoy downloading them, and I do have a desire to participate. That said, I lack the skill and time to do so, and I'm not sure I could tolerate putting the placement of someone's Modding Portfolio above the furtherment of the game and the publishment of the work in a way that everyone can use and understand it.

 

I'm fairly positive that people don't mind you gathering their mods, but don't just post their name get their damn permission.

 

I apologize for combining a series of files into a manner that allows someone other than yourself to use them without spending 48 hours sifting through dozens of threads and rewriting code. I apologize for not emailing a dozen people so I could ask their permission to make their mods easily available to others. That's my only complaint with all the great work here, it's great: but it is all published in a way where basically only yourselves could use it as a well oiled set.

 

I'm sorry my attempt to make the game better for the average newbie that knows nothing of modding offends you.

 

There, I said I'm sorry. Twice I've posted this attempt to be nice to people like myself, and twice I've been yelled at. Frankly I don't like it one bit... delete the post if you wish (I deleted it myself last night out of disgust, but not this time). In addition to the stuff I said above, if there's a single reason I don't want to learn to mod KOTOR it's this establishment mentality that the virtual copyrights of someone's modification of a legally copyrighted game are somehow more important than the overall betterment of the game for the general gaming public.

 

Sorry if that was a bit snippy, but I'm getting a little frusturated between two days of post sniffing, code combination, and being yelled at for my efforts. This'll be my last post on this board.

 

Thanks for the encouragement!

[Doom_Dealer]

ok, a few major things:

 

1. I take it you did not get permission from anyone to include there stuff! You may be declaring the author but you should atleast ask first.

 

2. Whats with all the constant sarcasm towards the modders, youve been here 2 days and you claim to know everything about the community, when in fact by looking at your posts you know nothing at all.

 

3. TRY THE SEARCH FUNTION AND THAT BIG STICKY AT THE TOP SAYING 'LIST OF DOWNLOADS' Its funny how everyone else seems to be able to find stuff by using these and not you.

 

4. Please, don't post again unless you have something worthwhile and true to say.

[Mono_Giganto]

Lol, Doom just told off a new guy. OUCHIES!!!

 

Edit: And this post brings me to 200. Oh ya! EWOK CITY!!

[Doom_Dealer]

Originally posted by Mono_Giganto

Lol, Doom just told off a new guy. OUCHIES!!!

 

Edit: And this post brings me to 200. Oh ya! EWOK CITY!!

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lol, i think by reading what he says justifies it.

[Mav]

Personally I agree with Doom_Dealer 100% on this, I just don't think that this guy, AstalderS, has a very good attitude

[Achilles]

I think that your heart is in the right place, but this has already been done. Look for the Holowan Plug-in if you don't want to install various mods independently.

[Jackel]

Originally posted by Doom_Dealer

ok, a few major things:

 

1. I take it you did not get permission from anyone to include there stuff! You may be declaring the author but you should atleast ask first.

 

haviong just gone through this same thing on another forum for another game where someone used models from someone else without asking , without crediting , then complained baout it and abused the admins for removing their mod when the original author of the models pointe dout his work was stolen , the very least you can do it ask for permission , a PM to each author saying something about you wanting to combine a few mods as a basic DL for newbies and you would like to add such and such a mod they made would be not just a kind gesture but the right thing to do

[JackJJackal]

AstalderS, You must understand that people put alot of time and effort into these mods, Now more than likely what you were saying is something along the lines of "I don't consider myself a modder" that is my interpretation though I am not sure.

 

That being said, Check for T7Nowhere's Holowan plugin. Is essentially what you are making.

 

Additionally, to clear up some confusion. One of the rules of the forums is to ask permission before posting others mods AstalderS, I think it is a good idea what you are doing. However I would suggest that you search or read the sticky posts before reaching desperation. The great people here work very hard to accomidate the modding needs of every KOTOR player, so sometimes it may be difficult to get around to doing a certain thing.

 

Also, The forums can get crowded sometimes so mods you are looking for (Holowan Plugin for example) may not always be on the top thread as other threads are posted daily, Perhaps it would have been more advisable to ask about it. Now please understand I am not jumping on you or anything, merely offering constructive criticism. At any rate, I hope any confusion, and, or, anger has been cleared up on this issue. A lesson learned is more valuable than a bridge burned, something my Grandfather used to tell me. Well good luck on your project.

[T7nowhere]

To AstalderS, when you originally posted this last nite I replyed by pointing you to the "Holowan Laboratories: Forum Rules and Etiquette " thread and also the to the mod Pack I had assembled called Holowan Plug-in. It was never My intent to give you a negative impression of this Forum Nor did I intend to "reprimand " you. I was simple and clearly stating the rules of the forum and if you want to make such Mod packs it is nesseasary to get each modders permisson before publicly releasing it.

 

You have shown that your capable and I would encourage you not let this experience taint your view of this forum. Ever sinse I first came here to holowan I knew this Forum was different, everyone was willing to help in any they could and would often go out of there way to do so.

 

It is however the consensus of this forums users and it is also a common practice at many other modding forums that if you want to add someone elses mod you MUST have the authors complete permission before adding it to your own or even if your just makeing a mod pack.

 

I hope you will decide to be apart of this community, as from what I see is that if you really didn't want to give back you never would have released this in the first place.

 

If you have anything futher to say about this you can PM me.

 

This thread will now be closed,

[Prime]

First of all, let's keep the flames on both sides down...

 

Originally posted by AstalderS

This is a combo pack for people like myself that know nothing about modding, but love the work you all do. Unfortunately it is a very time consuming process to find these works if you aren't a skilled viewer of this board (so many broken links, etc.).

For that reason, as mentioned before a good place to start to look for things is the List of downloads - Tools and mods sticky thread and pcgamemods.com. You can find most mods around those two places. Unfortunately, broken links are a fact of life.

 

Originally posted by AstalderS

I know this may or may not conflict with the general practices of this board, as I got reprimanded once already for not listing the author of each mod (hince the new version).

If you read the rules for the board, you will see that getting permission is required. And that isn't just listing the original author or mod, but getting actual permission from them.

 

This rule is there for the betterment of the community. First and foremost, it is common curtousy to ask someone for permission before using something that belongs to them.

 

Secondly, it prevents hard feelings and the hampering of the modding community. Using something without permission will in all likelyhood make people feel ripped off. When this happens, they are less likely to create new work in the future, because they don't want take the chance of feeling ripped off again. This means less mods which is bad for the community as a whole.

 

Asking permission encourages creativity because modders feel their efforts are being recognized. Thus they are likely to continue and create new things. This helps the community and fellow players.

 

Originally posted by AstalderS

I would just like to say the following, the spirit of modders isn't always in line with the spirit of every gamer out there. You guys consider this a hobby, a past time, which is why you're good at it (and you get attatched to your work), and why you're ok with some of the hoops you jump through around here to combine things.

Well, no one likes the hoops we have to jump through But unfortunately the way KOTOR is built sometimes they are unavoidable. But yes, modders goals are not always in line with every gamer, this should be both expected and respected.

 

Originally posted by AstalderS

The problem is the average gamer is simply interested in the betterment of the game, and this board can be quite overwhelming from that perspective (as if modding a game wasn't hard enough, working around people's cyberrights at the same time is harder).

I agree that this forum can be quite overwhelming to newcomers, which is unfortunate, but that is mainly to do with the fact that modding KOTOR is less than trivial. Also, the intent of this forum is for KOTOR modding discussion. This really isn't the ideal place to come and look for mods. This is why the thread mentioned above and pcgamemods were created.

 

As for the rights issue. There really isn't one. Don't mod other's work without permission. Once you have permission, you can do whatever you want. People are obviously free to use the mods with no problems. So the regular gamers doesn't have to worry about that stuff.

 

Originally posted by AstalderS

I posted this not because I have any desire to join the modding community (I lack the time as well as the artistic talent), not because I wanted to step on someone's toes (I found this board two days ago, I'm in no way part of this community), but because I found finding things on this board (and then making them work together) to be incredibly difficult.

I know you are only trying to make things easier for other players. That is an admirable goal, and one that most modders try to attain as well.

 

Originally posted by AstalderS

This purpose of this file is to help get people like myself, who just want to plug and play (not spend a weekend reading through six dozen threads and innumerable broken links), started.

It is indeed a good idea. As others have mentioned, the Holowan Plug-in is a project trying to do just this. There is a thread about it that is well worth a look. And again, looking at the listing thread and pcgamemods will save people loads of search time.

 

Originally posted by AstalderS

I'm glad you agree that people make mods to better the game for others.

Well, that is up to the individual modder, really. Some want to make new things for the community, others just want to play around to to figure out how things work, some make stuff for ourselves, and then release it in case others might be interested.

 

For me personally, I make mods that I want to use and appeal to me. I really don't give much consideration to whether others will like it or want it. I just make something for myself, and then release it. If others like it, great! If not, no matter, because I got what I want to use. Is that selfish? I don't think so. I think I contribute in some small part to the community.

 

My point is that there are many reasons why someone might do a mod.

 

Originally posted by AstalderS

That said, I lack the skill and time to do so, and I'm not sure I could tolerate putting the placement of someone's Modding Portfolio above the furtherment of the game and the publishment of the work in a way that everyone can use and understand it.

Modders are not here as servants to the gaming community at large. They do not owe anyone anything. Users of the mods benefit from the hard work and investment of the modders. Players have no right to demand anything from them.

 

Originally posted by AstalderS

I apologize for not emailing a dozen people so I could ask their permission to make their mods easily available to others.

Take the 15 minutes. Modders spend hours/days/months working on these mods. The least people can do is drop them an email and ask permission. Why should modders spend their time creating these mods that you enjoy if others can't take a fraction of that time to send some emails? It seems unfair to demand people make things for the community and then be to lazy to ask for permission.

 

"Can I use you mod for this project?" Send.

 

Originally posted by AstalderS

That's my only complaint with all the great work here, it's great: but it is all published in a way where basically only yourselves could use it as a well oiled set.

Really, we are all new at this. Modders are still working out the best ways to do things, and KOTOR is not mod friendly. So there will be some headaches. This is not by design, just how it is. And the KOTOR section pcgamemods was only started recently, so there hasn't been a good way to publish things. This is now changing.

 

Originally posted by AstalderS

I'm sorry my attempt to make the game better for the average newbie that knows nothing of modding offends you.

Using others' work without permission offends us. People here are more than willing to help any "newbie" who has questions on how to do things or to get something to work. There are lots of great people here who love to help out.

 

Originally posted by AstalderS

There, I said I'm sorry. Twice I've posted this attempt to be nice to people like myself, and twice I've been yelled at. Frankly I don't like it one bit...

But surely you can understand why people might be upset?

 

Originally posted by AstalderS

In addition to the stuff I said above, if there's a single reason I don't want to learn to mod KOTOR it's this establishment mentality that the virtual copyrights of someone's modification of a legally copyrighted game are somehow more important than the overall betterment of the game for the general gaming public.

But their rights are more important, frankly.

 

Again, modders don't owe anybody anything. They cannot be forced to do things for the betterment of the public. Most often they do because that is what they want to do. But again, they are not there as servants of the other gamers. They have a right to protect their own work. Same as anything else.

 

Originally posted by AstalderS

Sorry if that was a bit snippy, but I'm getting a little frusturated between two days of post sniffing, code combination, and being yelled at for my efforts. This'll be my last post on this board.

Thanks for the encouragement!

I'm sorry to hear that. I hope you will reconsider. If you simply ask for permission to use the modders work, you will in all likelyhood get it, and have lots of support and help where you need it. If you spend more time here, I think that you will find that it is an enjoyable place.