Battlefront scores 94% in Play Plus magazine.

[Mountainforest]

Originally posted by Axe2Grind

News Flash !!!

 

If the AI Doesn't respond well to Commands,

It will Affect Online, as well as Offline !

 

If they havn't been fixed ,

this game will be utterly useless !

 

Whether Online or Off , If they went to all the trouble to make commands ,.

they should have made sure they they work Properly !

 

Just another example of.....

 

" We need to ship it the same day the movie comes out "

 

Type of Crap !!!

 

Another news flash for Lucas Arts....

 

We would rather have a quality game in our hands

then have the game when the movie comes out !!

 

If the AI Sux, I ain't touchin this one !!

 

Oh well,...Not that much longer of a wait for Halo 2

 

That's what I really appreciate about a Developer like Bungie !

 

They try and makesure All Aspects of their Game works before Shipping !

 

Lucas Arts,....You need to get a clue !!!!

 

Both battlefront and Halo 2 aren't out yet. Let's not compare two games we haven't played yet.

[Axe2Grind]

I'm Not Comparing games !

 

I am however comparing the quality of the work

of this game and it's Developer / Publisher,

Vs Halo 2 and it's Developer Bungie !

and since Lucas Arts have been around for alot longer than Bungie and their Quality shines when it comes to Star Wars Movies, There's No Excuse for their Lack of Quality Concerning Battlefront !

 

Which is a Fair Comparison and always has been Because Bungie & Halo has set the Standard for High Quality Video Games.

 

And if you or anyone else has a problem with that,

Too Bad !

 

1. This Game should have been made from the ground up on the PC or the XBOX !

Not the PS2 then ported over and simply enhanced

 

2. Lucas Arts should have Also Allowed Pandemic Studios More time to get this Game in Prime working order.

 

3. There is Absolutely No Excuse For the AI Commands Not to Work Properly !

 

4. And again,...The reason they don't work properly is because of greed and wanting to Rush the Game out to increase the " Hype Machine "

and release it in time for the Movie,

So more people will buy the Game !

 

Which is exactly what happened with the Matrix !

What a pile of crap that turned out to be huh ?

 

And That my friend is Pathetic !

[Proto]

And how exactly did you get into possesion of full finished version of the game?

 

Seriously though I was also afraid that the game could be rushed, but after watching newest aussie video I let go all my worries (even in spite of this levitating stormie thing ).

[Mountainforest]

Originally posted by Axe2Grind

I'm Not Comparing games !

 

I am however comparing the quality of the work

of this game and it's Developer / Publisher,

Vs Halo 2 and it's Developer Bungie !

and since Lucas Arts have been around for alot longer than Bungie and their Quality shines when it comes to Star Wars Movies, There's No Excuse for their Lack of Quality Concerning Battlefront !

 

Which is a Fair Comparison and always has been Because Bungie & Halo has set the Standard for High Quality Video Games.

 

And if you or anyone else has a problem with that,

Too Bad !

 

1. This Game should have been made from the ground up on the PC or the XBOX !

Not the PS2 then ported over and simply enhanced

 

2. Lucas Arts should have Also Allowed Pandemic Studios More time to get this Game in Prime working order.

 

3. There is Absolutely No Excuse For the AI Commands Not to Work Properly !

 

4. And again,...The reason they don't work properly is because of greed and wanting to Rush the Game out to increase the " Hype Machine "

and release it in time for the Movie,

So more people will buy the Game !

 

Which is exactly what happened with the Matrix !

What a pile of crap that turned out to be huh ?

 

And That my friend is Pathetic !

 

I admit Halo was a nice game, but you only played a demo. That isn't the full game that will be in stores the 21th.

[Droniac]

Originally posted by JDKnite188

Make a note that Doom3 has redefined modern graphics but still sits on the multiplayer capabilities of 1994

 

Finally, a grand tactical game with purpose. CS has the one-life player idea, but any multiplayer game can support that option these days. ET (Enemy Territory) has class variety and objective-based fighting, but a defender team can easily camp the whole time to win the match. BF seems to combine the best of both extremes: tactics and limits.

 

 

Actually Doom 2 had better netcode than Doom 3's... I've tested it over LAN recently: Doom 2 ran better than Doom 3 in terms of lag.

Not to mention the fact that Doom 3's graphics are quite crappy when you turn of shadows - and the textures aren't the best I've ever seen either, Enemy Territory has much sharper textures - and that's a free game.

 

 

Anyway, you're wrong with your statement concerning ET.

If you really think a camping team can win in ET - then you obviously never played on quality pubs or at competitive level.

I play ET wars regularly... and it's rare for the attacking team not to set a time (as in: it's rare for a defending team to defend full time).

 

I also don't get your statement with combining the best of both extremes: Battlefront does not include perma-death (1 life a round) instead it opts for a system like ET's: timed respawns (which is more fun & the cause of more exciting gameplay)

It may count down from your overall ticket-count or not, but that's included in games like BattleField & Tribes: Vengeance as well - and isn't something that can be compared to CS.

Besides, I don't think there's any gamer out there that would want their game to be compared to the game with the worst community ever (CS) - not to mention the most boring gameplay ever conceived (not just to play, but to watch as well)

 

 

 

Now on the AI subject.

Judging by the various movies recently released from the PS2 version and that Xbox demonstration, the AI seems to behave fair enough... better than Halo's anyway (not that that is difficult to achieve)

Nearly all of LucasArts' previous games have been superior to Bungie's previous games (especially Halo) when it comes to quality & polishing.

If there is one game that didn't receive enough polishing, it was Halo! It had horrible netcode (probaply still does) and it's engine was utter crap, poor graphics at even max. detail but horribly demanding.

Even if they're merely porting it over (which is not what they're doing, please look information up before posting Axe2Grind), this is one port that I really want to play.

The AI is advanced enough to realize that they need to give you ammo when you're low on it - without needing an order to do so!

Halo's AI doesn't even come close to that.

Insanellama just mentioned he felt the AI wasn't really paying too much attention to him (which would be normal on the battlefront tbh. ) and jedijohn already explained what was wrong... you probaply didn't see his post, did you?

Rushing out the game? tbh. this game looks more polished than the vast majority of games that hit the shelves - you definitely don't sound like an experienced gamer if you think this game looks rushed... even judging only by videos I can tell you this: it doesn't look rushed... if it did, don't you think the demo-players would tell us the game looks rushed? I've seen no such comments.

The games looks finished - according to Navix (who got to play a 99% completed version today at the PU Awards), the game is pretty much finished - what more do you want them to do?

[SITH_ShadowCat]

Actually, I'll be the first to say it: The demo feels rushed. But after watching the recent videos I'm certian that the final product will feel more then complete. The game has been in Beta for more then a quartar of a year, that's more then enough time to proprly polish a game to high standars. The demo feels glitchy IMO, and I don't think it does the game any justice. The video I've mentioned cleared up any of the bad rep in my mind about the demo, all the things that I saw and didn't like in the demo were cleaned up in the final. The last step is to figure out how well this game will run on my system and everything is complete.

 

See you on the battlefront in a week.

[Axe2Grind]

In the Demo, the AI refuses to stay at their posts.

Now, if they leave their posts and leave them unguarded,...

Wouldn't you agree that Alot of strategic parts of this game will suffer as a result ?

It's Common Sense People !

 

Basically you'll be playing by yourself,

and you'll end up having to rush around and babysit diffferent locations while fighting too !

 

If the AI did their function correctly,

You could focus on what your Character was Designed to focus on !

 

If the AI is Uncooperative, the Game might still be fun to play, but the Gameplay Will Be Unbalanced !

 

In the Above Review, they state the AI Is Uncooperative !

 

When I asked Bobby What the deal was,

He went into Hiding !

 

Egm Magazine gave the game 3 scores in 3 Different categories : 8.0 , 8.0, 9.3

 

The Two 8.0's Egm gave the game,

might very well Tell us that the AI behaves as bad if not worse than in the Demo !

Maybe, maybe Not,....

But Ya have To Admit, It doesn't look good !

 

Hey, I'm not being a downer !

I really want this one too !

But, I refuse to be manipulated anymore

By the, " Hype Machine. "

 

If they want My $$$,

They're going to have to do their best !

And this certainly doesn't look like a Winner !

 

All I am saying is, we've been down this road many times with Lucas Arts !

One would think,.. for as much Hype as this ones getting, It Should live up to it !,.....We'll See:eek:

 

*** Hey Bobby, Ya Out There ?***

[Cpt. Bannon]

HALO is one of the very few games that i will say that it is far better on the console...even without mods, and having been one of the first six games to be released for XBOX it is still a great game. and in battlefronts, i wont care about a number of AI, because the jawas, ewoks, and tusken raiders are supposed to be wild...and as for bot AI, well, i dont care, because i will be playing net games where there are no bots (as opposed to NPC's)

[SITH_ShadowCat]

EGM has already reviewed this game? Even so, there review aren't the best and biased most of the time, still 8.0 and above is good from some thing like EGM.

[Axe2Grind]

" the AI seems to behave fair enough... better than Halo's anyway. Nearly all of LucasArts' previous games have been superior to Bungie's previous games (especially Halo) when it comes to quality & polishing.

_______________

 

Now, This is truly Funny:rolleyes:

 

The Gameplay in Halo is very different.

Had Halo 1 Or 2 Been Designed like Battlefront,

You can bet your A$$ they would have done a better Job with the AI !

Bungie doesn't release their product until everything works great,

Or at least to the best of their ability !

 

1. They are Perfectionists

2. They like to show their fans what they can do,

And that they Care about putting out a Quality Product !

That is what separates them from many others , including Lucas Arts !

 

Lucas Arts aren't in the same league as Bungie !

( Not that they Couldn't Be ),

But,..They Just Don't care !!!!!!!

 

All of Lucas Arts Star wars games have been Crap !

Crappy PS2 Graphics, Horrible Controls !

Slowdown & Lag.

The Controls in battlefront seem to be a notch up from the others.

I will give it that !

 

But we still have Crappy PS2 Graphics as the Foundation !

That alone tells me they don't really give a damn !

And then we have an AI system that,

while they could give Pandemic Studios more time To Get it Right,

They Again,...Don't give a damn !!!

 

These my friend, Are the Facts !

[SITH_ShadowCat]

Quoting that is a pain, could you type it in paragraphs not in a poem like structure. I must admit I don't bother reading your posts because grammar, and because you don't add anything to your argument. Your sounding more and more like a troll/fanboy, but who am I to judge? If you're not intrested in the product then why come here and bash it like so?

 

And for EGMs score of 8.0, 8.0 and 9.3, thats hardly bad seeing as its runner up for game of the month behind Sly Cooper 2 and Def Jam: Fight for NY, and ahead of Fable (7.5, 8.0, 9.0).

[Axe2Grind]

1. If you aren't reading my posts,

then how can you say i'm not adding anything new to them ?

 

Oh,...and i'm not a fanboy,

I came here asking Bobby for a comment about the AI problems,...

to which there hasn't been an answer:p

Which tells me the final version will indeed be crap.

The truth of the matter is, it's not the format

that bothers you. it's what I have stated that bothers you !

 

Hmmmm...I typed the same way Bobby did

when He started this thread.

Now,...Why didn't you attack His Format ?

[TK-8252]

Originally posted by Axe2Grind

I came here asking Bobby for a comment about the AI problems,...

to which there hasn't been an answer:p

Which tells me the final version will indeed be crap.

 

Okay... let me get this straight: you think that SWBF is going to be crap because one out of the two (supposed) devs, who were bombarded with questions when they showed, on this very busy forum didn't see your question? Oh man, that's such a great way to judge a book by its cover.

[SITH_ShadowCat]

Originally posted by Axe2Grind

1. If you aren't reading my posts,

then how can you say i'm not adding nothing new to them ?

 

Oh,...and i'm not a fanboy,

I came here asking Bobby for a comment about the AI problems,...

to which there hasn't been an answer:p

Which tells me the final version will indeed be crap.

The truth of the matter is, it's not the format

that bothers you. it's what I have stated that bothers you !

 

Hmmmm...I typed the same way Bobby did

when He started this thread.

Now,...Why didn't you attack His Format ?

 

Yes, it does, it really does. First, seeing as Bobby has a life and doesn't visit the message boards every day like some of us (me). Second, he's was the lead artist and had nothing to do with the AI so what would he know about it? Third, you've only played the demo, which doesn't do the game much justice. The AI is much more refined in the final. There is abunch more I could mention, but seeing as you don't care about the game I won't bother.

 

And I didn't attack his form of writing because he wasn't capitalizing every other word, or pushing the return key needlessly. Just type it out and it'll go to the next line by itself, don't you just love the new age of computers.

[Axe2Grind]

Ya ok..hehe

 

Bobby created the thread the same morning that i replied to it.

That was several days ago.

The sinopsis is, he hasn't replied because he is ashamed of coming here and hyping a game that truly has some problems. and when confronted,

with those issues, he runs away & hides.

 

Any bets that he still works for Pandemic studios ?

I'll also bet He has a full version copy of this game.

If you don't believe He does , you are very ignorant

 

I really don't care anymore !

I'll be back after the games release !

We'll see just how much Lucas Arts cares for it's fanbase soon enough !

 

Out

 

* Hey Bobby,...Ya Out There ? *

[Cavkov]

the totalgames.net review was the worse i have ever seen!

[TK-8252]

Originally posted by Axe2Grind

Ya ok..hehe

 

Bobby created the thread the same morning that i replied to it.

That was several days ago.

The sinopsis is, he hasn't replied because he is ashamed of coming here and hyping a game that truly has some problems. and when confronted,

with those issues, he runs away & hides.

 

Any bets that he still works for Pandemic studios ?

I'll also bet He has a full version copy of this game.

If you don't believe He does , you are very ignorant

 

I really don't care anymore !

I'll be back after the games release !

We'll see just how much Lucas Arts cares for it's fanbase soon enough !

 

Out

 

* Hey Bobby,...Ya Out There ? *

 

Oooooookay... uh... well then, bye!

[General_Theros]

Originally posted by Axe2Grind

"

The Gameplay in Halo is very different.

Had Halo 1 Or 2 Been Designed like Battlefront,

You can bet your A$$ they would have done a better Job with the AI !

Bungie doesn't release their product until everything works great,

Or at least to the best of their ability !

 

1. They are Perfectionists

2. They like to show their fans what they can do,

And that they Care about putting out a Quality Product !

That is what separates them from many others , including Lucas Arts !

 

Lucas Arts aren't in the same league as Bungie !

( Not that they Couldn't Be ),

But,..They Just Don't care !!!!!!!

 

All of Lucas Arts Star wars games have been Crap !

Crappy PS2 Graphics, Horrible Controls !

Slowdown & Lag.

The Controls in battlefront seem to be a notch up from the others.

I will give it that !

 

But we still have Crappy PS2 Graphics as the Foundation !

That alone tells me they don't really give a damn !

And then we have an AI system that,

while they could give Pandemic Studios more time To Get it Right,

They Again,...Don't give a damn !!!

 

These my friend, Are the Facts !

 

heh, facts? These are opinions mostly, sir. "All of Lucas Arts Star Wars games are crap"? That's opinion. And a poor one might I add. "Crappy PS2 graphics" That is opinion. Concluding that Lucas Arts doesn't care, that is opinion also. Bungie are perfectionists? Hmm that sounds like a fanboy statement.

 

Back to the notion of all Lucas Arts Star Wars games are crap. Have you heard of X-wing? T-Fighter? X-wing Alliance?.... Dark Forces? These are all classic Lucas Arts star wars games that were phenomenal. What of KOTOR? hmm? One of the best RPG's in recent years. How about the Jedi Knight series?

 

To sum up, you should not state any of what you did as fact. As all of it is purely your own, albiet foolish and probably young, opinion. You fling judgement down without full knowledge, nor hands on experience, of the full version. If you insist on making far-fetched and factless statements such as these, do not expect anyone to take any of what you say with more than a grain of salt.

[Cavkov]

Originally posted by General_Theros

heh, facts? These are opinions mostly, sir. "All of Lucas Arts Star Wars games are crap"? That's opinion. And a poor one might I add. "Crappy PS2 graphics" That is opinion. Concluding that Lucas Arts doesn't care, that is opinion also. Bungie are perfectionists? Hmm that sounds like a fanboy statement.

 

Back to the notion of all Lucas Arts Star Wars games are crap. Have you heard of X-wing? T-Fighter? X-wing Alliance?.... Dark Forces? These are all classic Lucas Arts star wars games that were phenomenal. What of KOTOR? hmm? One of the best RPG's in recent years. How about the Jedi Knight series?

 

To sum up, you should not state any of what you did as fact. As all of it is purely your own, albiet foolish and probably young, opinion. You fling judgement down without full knowledge, nor hands on experience, of the full version. If you insist on making far-fetched and factless statements such as these, do not expect anyone to take any of what you say with more than a grain of salt.

 

Iiiiiim sooo with you on this one!

[Cpt. Bannon]

i think that lucasarts has had its fair share of duds, but then again, they have released tons of games, and bungie has released...7 games i think?

[Droniac]

Another Staff member of my clan got to play a 99% complete version at the PU Awards yesterday (and will go back to try and play it some more) and he had no problems whatsoever with the AI.... ofcourse he didn't get to play very long, but still.

 

The PS2 Demo movies from RisingOrder demonstrate the AI in action: they follow his commands flawlessly.

If they really do leave their posts when you order them to defend (which I hope Navix tries to test today) then that sucks, but it's probaply nothing a patch couldn't solve.

 

Axe2Grind: Bobby didn't write that review, read his post - and you'll see he's merely posting that A review has been made. ("They have given us 94% with 9/10 for graphics, 10/10 for sound, 9/10 for gameplay and 9/10 for long term appeal. Not bad eh!!!" <--- notice the They?)

Shortly below you'll see someone else replying that the AI didn't respond properly to "follow me" commands - which was because he wasn't within a 10 feet radius.

 

The review states "Sure, there's little cooperation but the AI characters do work well, especially when you pile them into a vehicle."

That does not mean the AI is crap, that merely means that playing online with people you talk to in-game is always going to be me more coordinated than some random group of bots.

(see you don't have to be pessimistic about everything just because you like Bungie (lol) so much)

 

Let's just wait until the PC Demo is here and judge the AI then.

After all, that's the important version...

 

 

Bungie perfectionists? don't make me laugh.

Didn't read my post did you? even after years of development their game had massive flaws:

*Horrible netcode - only Doom 3 manages to do worse

*Horrible engine - crappy graphics & very demanding.. whereas games like UT2003 looked only 10x better and ran 10x better as well.... pathetic porting job by Bungie.

*The game was riddled with bugs

*Texturing sucked horribly

*Level-design was pathetic, even Doom 3 doesn't seem very repetitive after playing Halo.

*Horrible balancing

 

Halo a quality product? More like a very poor Half Life rip-off.

Ofcourse Bungie isn't in the same league as LucasArts: they're different kinds of companies!

LucasArts is a publisher (don't produce games, merely publish them), Bungie is a developer (don't publish games, merely develop them)

Do you even know any of Bungie's games before Halo & Halo 2? like the Myth series?

Do you know what kind of quality products those were? They were riddled with bugs and usually felt rushed.

LucasArts games have always been properly polished & bugchecked, Bungie's games never have been and I doubt they'll start now - especially now that their games receive massive hype, because for some sick reason Halo was actually popular on the consoles.... that's what you get when you give a below-mediocre FPS to people who've never played proper FPS's I guess.

 

 

And I agree with ShadowCat.

Continually placing empty spaces in your text after every 3rd line is very, very annoying.

Not to mention the excessive use of capital letters.

 

 

 

ps: sorry for the excessively long post

let's see if you've really left