Elijah Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 I spent some time checking out information about this "hallow earth" theory when I first heard about it... maby far fetched, but interesting none the less... here is an article from a site related to the issue. For a long time I have been intrigued by the concept of the Hollow Earth. I remember reading Raymond Bernard's book on the subject ( The Hollow Earth - 1979 ) in the mid 1980's and felt a strong affinity for the whole idea. Next, I read a strange book called "Etidorhpa" by John Uri Llyod written in the late 1890's about a person who traveled from the Outer Surface to the Inner Surface of the Earth and carrying when he arrived at the center of the Earth crust. But before I lose our readers, let me define what the Hollow Earth Theory states! According to Mr. Bernard (see diagram above) our world is hollow, with the crust of the earth being 800 miles thick. There exists two openings at the North and South Pole, each hole having a circumference of 1400 miles wide. At the center of the earth is not a molten core but an inner sun which is six hundred miles wide and is 2900 miles from the Inner Surfaces. The diameter of the lip at the opening at the poles is 1200 miles long, thus a person can not see the other side of the opening. Therefore, there exists three worlds on our planet, the outer surface, where we live, the middle earth which purportedly is lined with many caverns, tunnels (made by someone), Inner Cities and people who live there and lastly the Inner Surface. How Gravity works then is the following. For the people who live on the outer surface, Gravity holds them down. For the people that live in the middle earth, the closer they get to the center of the crust (i.e. - 400 miles down), the less effect gravity will have upon them. In the book, "Etidorhpa", when this individual traveling down into the earth reached the center of gravity, i.e. where there is no gravity --- he was able to move by the power of his mind, his heart stop beating and he didn't need to eat. He described gigantic vegetation that lives under the earth as this lesser pull of gravity allows things to grow larger. Lastly for the people who live on the inner surface, they would also feel gravity pull on them to walk on this surface but since there is an inner sun (called the "Atoma", by channeler Michael Kant who appears in our crystal skull book Mysteries of the Crystal Skulls Revealed) they would have sunlight 24 hours a day. There is supposedly land masses and water bodies that exist on the Inner Earth, the same as the outer surface except the vibration and energy in the Inner Earth is more pure and of a higher vibrational frequency (some say a 4th dimensional frequency). For people who have claimed to travel to the Inner Earth, they state that the people they encounter in this region are usually very tall. Some other individuals have speculated that descendants of Atlantis and Lemuria live in this Inner Utopia and therefore they are thousands of years ahead of us technologically and spiritually. Some others say that possibly the Mayans may have gone into this location as well, to explain where they disappeared. Again, according to our channeler Michael Kant, he claims that 12 galactic races came to our Earth long ago and created their first city underground in the 4 Corners area. Each race brought with them a crystal skull and body which contained the gentic coding of their race and cosmic knowledge. Six tribes decided to stay on the surface of the Earth and Six tribes went into the Inner Earth. Now all twelve tribe exist in the Inner Earth. It is also believed that other Extraterrestrial races may have bases in the Inner Earth as well. Michael describes in our book being taken by a Pleiadian Space Ship and given a tour of the Inner Earth. In 1982, while traveling on faith throughout the western part of the U.S., I had the fortune to meet Ed Palmer in Portland, Oregon, who is the founder of the Cosmic Science Research Center. Ed told us a very strange tale about how he was an exchange baby, that he was originally from Orion but when he was very small, the true Ed Palmer was exchanged for him. He claimed that when he has had a physical examination that there are some differences in his body and also that he has some type of mental plate in his head in which if a UFO comes close, he hears a buzzing sound. Even though Ed was in his 70's or 80's, he definitely had more energy and excitement of life than I at this time (being 27). In any case, Ed gave us a pamphlet that he shared with others about the Hollow Earth. In this pamphlet it said that all planets are Hollow (in Bernard's book, Mr. Bernard explains that what appears to be the pole cap we see of Mars, is actually the light of Mar's inner sun shining out of the pole. Furthermore Bernard states that the Aurora Borealis that is only visible up north is the reflection of the inner sun off clouds passing over the opening of the pole. Also that some explorers of the North Pole have discovered the closer they get to the Pole, the warmer it gets instead of the colder. Could the Mammoths discovered frozen in Siberia with fresh food in their mouth be actually Mammoths that live in the Inner Earth which has a warmer climate, and somehow got lost and wondered into the outer surface?) and that Ed even had a ride on a UFO to the moon which is hollow and that the ETs use the moon to construct spacecraft inside, hidden from our prying eyes. Ed explains that when a planet is formed it is first just gas which is rotating. He said that the heavy particles eventually expand out and create the planet's surface and the lighter particles contract to form the central sun. Another connection with the Inner Earth relates to Admiral Byrd. It is purported that when the Admiral went to explore the North Pole that he actually entered into the Inner Earth at the opening at this pole. Included below, you will see a purported diary by Admiral Byrd that discusses he made contact with an advanced people in this area who showed him their world and asked for him to take a message back to the surface dwellers and government of their concern about a future vision they had of our destroying our world and since this is their home as well, they of course wanted to prevent this. If such a people do exist, it is theorized that possibly some of the UFOs we see are not extraterrestrial but intraterrestials, as our elder brothers keep an eye on us. It would require a spacecraft that can negate the force of gravity to fly out ouf the Polar Openings as gravity would pull any boat or airplane to follow the outer-to-inner surface. Another spiritual channel we have been in communication with is Christine Hayes of the Star of Isis Foundation in San Antonio, Texas. She claims to be receiving telepathic information from the people who live in the Inner Earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elijah Posted September 10, 2004 Author Share Posted September 10, 2004 Ah, also, pictures: This article is interesting, but is to long to post, have a look: How Jan got Involved with the Hollow Earth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiroki Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 Hmm, I would've preferred this to be in the swamp, since any insulting, crude, or flaming arguments are unlikely to break out over this subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinWalker Posted September 11, 2004 Share Posted September 11, 2004 I remember reading somewhere that there were some elementary physics (Newtonian) that explain why the Earth isn't hollow. It basically accounts for the mass of the planet. Besides, if the Earth was hollow, it would collapse on itself due to its own mass and create a molten core. In addition, seismic waves produced by tectonic activity are the clearest indicators of a solid/molten Earth. Indeed, the core is very dense, as it deflects seismic waves rather than absorbing/reflecting them. Other geology that discredits hollow earth "theory" is volcano activity, which often ejects molten rock and continental drift, which is the result of an uprising of molten rock at points like the mid-Atlantic ridge which, in turn, spreads to either side. Each of these indicates that core temperatures are extremely hot (enough to liquify granite) as well as under pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jubatus Posted September 11, 2004 Share Posted September 11, 2004 Pardon the intrusion, ZDawg, but you might do well to get your thread title corrected to ho llow earth, because ha llow gives the thread a whole different inclination as to what it's about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted September 11, 2004 Share Posted September 11, 2004 Another problem with a hollow earth that is related to mass is the gravitational force that it applies to US. Were the Earth hollow there would not be enough mass to account for a 9.8 m/s/s acceleration of objects towards the earths surface. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomie Posted September 11, 2004 Share Posted September 11, 2004 I'm glad you guys are this smart. I would've never figured it out myself. Also, the 'atlanteans' and the Aliens from the moon... That's weird. He lost my confidence there. Besides, millions of possible 'Atlantises' have been found already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowTemplar Posted September 11, 2004 Share Posted September 11, 2004 JFC! That's BS on so many levels: Quite apart from what's already been posted, one must remember that (given a fairly uniform distribution of mass throughout the shell) the outer shell would offer no net gravitational attraction. That means that if there was indeed an 'inner sun' (an absurdity for a whole lot of reasons) it would have to be small enough to have its attracting gravitiational force countered by the centripetal force arising from the rotation of the Earth. That makes for a very small sun. Additionally, the centripetal force resulting from the earth's rotation grows increasingly weak the further one moves towards the Poles (for obvious reasons), meaning that there would be a certain latitude beyond which one would be drawn inexorably towards the object in the centre. This removes any possibility of entering via the poles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted September 11, 2004 Share Posted September 11, 2004 that (given a fairly uniform distribution of mass throughout the shell) the outer shell would offer no net gravitational attraction. That's not completely accurate, as there would still be some gravitational attraction assuming the outer shell had enough mass to make a difference, as the force of gravity is F=(G*m1*m2)/r^2 G is the Universal constant of gravity, m1 and m2 would be the mass of the earth and the mass of a person, and r is the radius between the centers of masses of the objects. So even if the earth were hollow it's center of mass would still be in the middle, and if the earth had some mass it would yield SOME gravitational force. However, since we know that the acceleration of objects due to the gravity of earth is 9.8 m/s/s, we can take that equation for the force of gravity F, and since it is known that Force = mass*acceleration, the mass (Which in our case would be the mass of m2 in the gravity equation) falls out of the equation and we can say that the acceleration due to gravity can be found by the equation A = (G*m1)/r^2. The radius to the center of the earth is approximately 6378100 m, and G = 0.000000000067. therefore, A = m1*(1.64*10^-24), and since A = 9.8 we get that m1(mass of earth) MUST approximately equal 5.95*10^24 KG, which is approximately the mass of the earth based on a non-hollow earth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowTemplar Posted September 11, 2004 Share Posted September 11, 2004 no, no, no, ET, I meant on the inside But your calculation is otherwise sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted September 11, 2004 Share Posted September 11, 2004 Originally posted by ShadowTemplar no, no, no, ET, I meant on the inside Ohhhhhhh I didn't read the entire article, because it was bollocks, but did it REALLy say that there was a miniature sun in the middle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowTemplar Posted September 11, 2004 Share Posted September 11, 2004 Originally posted by ET Warrior I didn't read the entire article, because it was bollocks, but did it REALLy say that there was a miniature sun in the middle? Yep LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted September 20, 2004 Share Posted September 20, 2004 Another massive problem with a sun INSIDE of a hollow earth is that it would be really, REALLY hot. I mean, it would be so hot having a burning star (no matter the size) that the Earth would be inhabitable inside AND outside. I wish Zdawg would respond in some way, so we know if we have given him ample reason to reject this theory outright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Druid Bremen Posted September 20, 2004 Share Posted September 20, 2004 Originally posted by ET Warrior Another massive problem with a sun INSIDE of a hollow earth is that it would be really, REALLY hot. I mean, it would be so hot having a burning star (no matter the size) that the Earth would be inhabitable inside AND outside. I wish Zdawg would respond in some way, so we know if we have given him ample reason to reject this theory outright. Its UNinhabitable.. Anyway, I find this theory completely.. wrong. The Earth would collapse upon itself were the Hollow Earth theory true, due to the gravitational force (I think Skin said that), also, it is known that suns are very hot, and thus nothing could survive on the surface, let alone the said descendants of Atlantis (lol)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamtrip Posted September 20, 2004 Share Posted September 20, 2004 This should be in the Fan Fiction forum... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted September 20, 2004 Share Posted September 20, 2004 Originally posted by Druid Bremen Its UNinhabitable.. Whoops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenegadeOfPhunk Posted September 20, 2004 Share Posted September 20, 2004 Apoligies for this smart-arse comment, but: centripetal force arising from the rotation of the Earth. That should read centrifugal, not centripetal... And of course the hollow Earth theory is BS - but that goes without saying... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted September 20, 2004 Share Posted September 20, 2004 Actually it IS Centripetal, centrifugal force isn't actually a real force, but more of a perception of force. I'll explain later, I have to get to class. Edit - Alright, why centrifugal force isn't actually real. Centrifugal force is the notion that when you are on a spinning object there is some force that is trying to throw you outwards off of it. Like when you're traveling in a car and it makes a sharp rightwards turn you feel like you're being thrown to the left. this is simply a misconception of what is really happening, in that you are not being thrown any direction, your body is actually just trying to continue in the straight line it was headed in before the car abruptly turned. The CAR is actually applying a rightwards force on you, which is what keeps you inside and going the same direction as the car itself, but most people misconceive of this as YOU pushing out against the car. Centripetal force is the force of the car holding you inside and keeping your body moving in a circular path instead of flying straight like it wants too. In this case, of a possible hollow earth and the people living on teh inside, they would be feeling an inwards force towards the mini-sun, but as long as the earth were spinning fast enough, the centripetal force of the earth's rotation would have to be greater than the force of the gravity from the mini sun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenegadeOfPhunk Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 NOTE: I know this is off-topic, so I'll keep it as brief as I can. ...you are correct about centrifugal (heh, I'll be diplomatic and call them...) effects being created counter to centripidal forces, and I understand they are created because of bodies being forced into curved paths when they naturally want to take straight paths... But whether you view the centrifugal force as 'real' is totally dependant on your point of view... ...to use your car example, you may not view the centrifugal force as real, but it will seem real enough to the car door when it potentially snaps upon, or to the door window when it breaks... http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/sci/A0811114.html In conclusion, I don't see any sensible reason to see centrifugal forces as any less real as centripidal forces. A force is a force - how it's created is but a detail... But anyway, yeah - looking at it again - your right about the specific instance centripidal forces were being refered to. I wasn't taking into account we were talking about people inside the Earth being forced onto the inside of the Earth's crust... heh - wasn't quite following how backwards the senario was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 It's not a real force because if you drew a foce diagram of yourself in this instance the ONLY force that would be acting on you would be the car pulling you along with it in a circle. There IS NO centrifugal force. It's only a perception, and a misconception at that. That website was wrong about centrifugal force being the third law counter to centripetal force, in the case of someone OUTSIDE of the earth it is gravity that is countering centripetal force, nothing else. In the case of a car it's a normal force of you pushing back against the car door, not centrifugal force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenegadeOfPhunk Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 I've started a new thread: http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=136096 ..to stop this one being de-railed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_hill987 Posted October 9, 2004 Share Posted October 9, 2004 Originally posted by ET Warrior Ohhhhhhh I didn't read the entire article, because it was bollocks, but did it REALLy say that there was a miniature sun in the middle? I agree, I couldn't read it all, it must have been a joke surely? like the bible. seriously though It wouldn't work, without resorting to physics and maths to prove its wrong, THERE IS NO HOLE AT THE NORTH POLE!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowTemplar Posted October 22, 2004 Share Posted October 22, 2004 Originally posted by jon_hill987 seriously though It wouldn't work, without resorting to physics and maths to prove its wrong, THERE IS NO HOLE AT THE NORTH POLE!!! Not the least of reasons for that would be that the North Pole is a big glacier with no rock underneath. Meaning that the water underneath would flow down into these 'caverns'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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