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Oleander's father really was that large, going by what we see in "The Big Top" and taking into consideration that Razputin's father did NOT look demonic in "Razputin's Getaway"

 

Hmm...but you have to question the reliability of the vaults, too. We're not actually witnessing the events in them--we're seeing them later from the perspective of the person they happened to. Case in point: Oleander isn't as tall as he looks in "Oleander's Pride." And it could be argued that things were misconstrued in "Razputin's Getaway," too...I have a hard time believing that Raz's father would rip up the pamphlet like he did in the vault with seemingly no prior provocation. It seems to me like we're missing a reel there. I'm not saying it was done intentionally, just that it happens; people misremember things all the time.

 

Besides, if you were a little kid and your slightly creepy father were coming for your bunny...wouldn't he look overly large and menacing to you? (Actually, didn't everybody look reeeally tall when we were little? I remember thinking how freaking huge the high schoolers were when I was in fourth grade.)

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Maybe he was that big. And icky. I mean, the character designs in general are odd, and each one seems to be drawn to fit their personality. To make someone seem big and menacing and bunny-killing, you'd make them look like it.

 

BUT.

 

Oleander's vaults weren't that...er...truthful, as TyraaRane stated. And the only time we see The Butcher is in the Meat Circus and the vaults, so we have no real idea what he looks like.

 

I like it when we over analyize everything. <3

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Hmm...but you have to question the reliability of the vaults, too. We're not actually witnessing the events in them--we're seeing them later from the perspective of the person they happened to. Case in point: Oleander isn't as tall as he looks in "Oleander's Pride." And it could be argued that things were misconstrued in "Razputin's Getaway," too...I have a hard time believing that Raz's father would rip up the pamphlet like he did in the vault with seemingly no prior provocation. It seems to me like we're missing a reel there. I'm not saying it was done intentionally, just that it happens; people misremember things all the time.

 

Besides, if you were a little kid and your slightly creepy father were coming for your bunny...wouldn't he look overly large and menacing to you? (Actually, didn't everybody look reeeally tall when we were little? I remember thinking how freaking huge the high schoolers were when I was in fourth grade.)

 

The part you mentioned about Raz's father ripping up the pamphlet bothered me too. If he was so caring then why would he rip it up? Still, we're not exactly sure if he did or did not do that.

 

Dad's always look menacing. One memory that still stays with me is trying on one of my Dad's pants and it went over my head. That was how young I had been and to me, my father had been a skyscraper. Literally touching the ceiling, and he could reach anywhere.

 

I like how Oleander has bunnies in his world that sees you as the butcher. It shows how he kept that image all through his life and it never really changed as most views on parents do. I'm thinking Oleander is a little stubborn in thinking that.

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Raz's Dad, yes I have to capitalize Dad, may have actually ripped up the pamphlet. Though there was a bit of inconsistency going on. Why, if he apparently cared so much about his son's happiness, would he crush his dreams like that? He would've preffered Raz take another career option? I guess so.

 

It's clear his Dad doesn't really enjoy doing the psychic thing. Wait--I just realised Dad is pretty compelling. He has some potential. But this is about Oleander...

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It makes sense: if Morry's father was relatively distant, emotionally, and his mother (or someone who was just a "mother-figure") wasn't, that might explain why little!Morry is so...erm...effeminate. (Don'tkillmeplzkthnx.) Emotional distance would also lead to a lack of empathy, and so Morry's father wouldn't understand why he was freaking out over the bunny...I mean, it's just a bunny to him, isn't it? So he shrugs it off with a casual "little bunnies are good for nothing," end of discussion. Boom, instant (okay, not really "instant," but...) complex for little!Morry.

 

That might also explain why Morry got the idea that his father thought he was good for nothing, too--IIRC, children of emotionally distant parents tend to try as hard as they can to measure up to what they believe are their parents' expectations in hopes of being noticed. Like, "if I do what they want me to do, they'll finally pay attention to me!" So he decides to join the armed forces in hopes that his father will notice him/no longer think he's "good for nothing."

 

I had been thinking along those lines that maybe he wanted to prove he was something. Though what really interested me about this is the line "little bunnies are good for nothing." Now that really gets the gears in my head moving.

 

To add onto what you said. I think that after a while his father's expectations became his own. Why would he warp his whole mind just to fit that army sterotype? Obviously to prove it to himself. His father is probably not a Psychonaut and can't jump inside his mind to look over his fake memories of the army. Only Oleander and the Psychonauts can.

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Raz's Dad, yes I have to capitalize Dad, may have actually ripped up the pamphlet. Though there was a bit of inconsistency going on. Why, if he apparently cared so much about his son's happiness, would he crush his dreams like that? He would've preffered Raz take another career option? I guess so.

 

It's clear his Dad doesn't really enjoy doing the psychic thing. Wait--I just realised Dad is pretty compelling. He has some potential. But this is about Oleander...

 

Well...we can get a LITTLE OT.

 

I think his Dad did actually rip up the pamphlet, but in anger. I think Raz just took it to mean that's what his father thought all about the Psychonauts. He probably saw Raz obsessing over the Psychonauts to the point where Raz was not seeing the ups and downs of what being a Psychonaut meant, and as one himself he wanted his son to realize what it meant. They probably got in an arguement and in anger he ripped it up.

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Thank TyraaRane. She got me thinking.

 

Oleander definately needs his own fan website or fan people. Which judging by this thread there is.

 

I think Oleander was most cute at the age of 35 or so when he wanted to join the army. Notice how he has tan lines.

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Thank TyraaRane. She got me thinking.

 

Oleander definately needs his own fan website or fan people. Which judging by this thread there is.

 

I think Oleander was most cute at the age of 35 or so when he wanted to join the army. Notice how he has tan lines.

 

And as you said before, the haircut=prooty sweet.

 

And I was all 'aaah!' When I first saw him without a shirt. Like you, I hated him at the time. But now I actually like that picture--his expression looks like a kitty's. ':<

 

I think he was most cute when he was OLY. WHEE!

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And as you said before, the haircut=prooty sweet.

 

And I was all 'aaah!' When I first saw him without a shirt. Like you, I hated him at the time. But now I actually like that picture--his expression looks like a kitty's. ':<

 

I think he was most cute when he was OLY. WHEE!

 

No the lost kitty is the best. He's like "Wuh..wuhhh.."

 

And the doctor in the back is thinking to himself, "Poor bastard."

 

Then Raz's Dad WOULD have looked demonic in the vault as that's how Raz actually SAW him.

 

You do have a point but I have to step in. His memory did not have as long to fester and grow into what he thought it should look like. Oleander has had years and years to mold it to what he thinks it happened like from his young perspective.

 

Though Raz did not see his father as demonic in the memories his mind thought of his father as demonic as I think he had the idea that his father was demonic and in time he would slowly alter his memories to look like that.

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I don't think Raz actually SEES his dad as demonic, he just thinks he acts demonic. I mean, no one could REALLY think that... OR COULD THEY? And if we want to talk about Raz's Dad and his namelessness, why don't we start another thread?

 

And, Klia, you may be right. About the kitty face, I mean. I still think Oly is cuter in the vault where his dad is behind him and Oly is turning around, biting his lip.

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I don't think Raz actually SEES his dad as demonic, he just thinks he acts demonic. I mean, no one could REALLY think that... OR COULD THEY? And if we want to talk about Raz's Dad and his namelessness, why don't we start another thread?

 

And, Klia, you may be right. About the kitty face, I mean. I still think Oly is cuter in the vault where his dad is behind him and Oly is turning around, biting his lip.

 

I don't know....it's really hard.

 

I wonder how my presentation would have been if I had used the Little Oly vault.

 

"This unique art style caused people to...OMG LITTLE OLY! take the story in at their own...HOLY **** BUNNY RUN!!!11...pace...NOOOLITTLEOLY!BUNNY!OMGNOOOOOO"

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I don't know....it's really hard.

 

I wonder how my presentation would have been if I had used the Little Oly vault.

 

"This unique art style caused people to...OMG LITTLE OLY! take the story in at their own...HOLY **** BUNNY RUN!!!11...pace...NOOOLITTLEOLY!BUNNY!OMGNOOOOOO"

 

You would've made a whole lot of people cry. :'( I would've.

 

You- smartsmartsmart

Me- I totally am digging this.

You- smartsmart*pullsoutOlyvault*

Me- AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH. NUUUU. WHAT HORRORS BE THIS TERRIBLE THING?! HIS DAD TOTALLY MURDERFIED THE BUNNY! RUN BUNNY! OW! MY FACE!

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Does anybody have any theories as to why Oleander paired up with Loboto. I mean of all people, he didn't even seem 100 percent comfortable next to him. (As interpereted from the Lungfish vault) He was suprised at some of Loboto's actions, as crazy as he was himself.

 

I always found those two to be endearing. You never see them together yet they make a powerfu team.

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Does anybody have any theories as to why Oleander paired up with Loboto. I mean of all people, he didn't even seem 100 percent comfortable next to him. (As interpereted from the Lungfish vault) He was suprised at some of Loboto's actions, as crazy as he was himself.

 

I always found those two to be endearing. You never see them together yet they make a powerfu team.

 

Well, there's always the easy answer...because Tim wanted them to.

 

But I think that makes things too easy. Also, too snarky. So!

 

Personally, I think that's not something that can be answered definitely without delving more into Loboto's backstory. I mean, all we've really got to work with is that he's a dentist who went nuts, became obsessed with brains, and eventually met up with Oleander to help him take over the world. The more I think about it, the more I realize how much about Loboto we don't know--things that either add up to big gaping plot holes or sequel potential. (I think we all know which one I'm voting for.)

 

I dunno. If I had to explain it, I'd say it'd go something like this: at some point in time, Morry had an assignment that had something to do with the asylum Loboto/Fred/Crispin/etc. were all living/working in. During this mission, he met Loboto--even if only in passing--and found out that he was obsessed with brains (hence his being institutionalized--I know we don't have canon evidence for this (or do we? I don't think so...), but somebody who goes around trying to take people's brains out would probably be locked up, for everyone else's safety if nothing else...). Said meeting stuck in his subconcious.

 

Now, fast forward to when he goes crazy and decides to take over the world. Somehow, he hatches the scheme for the death tanks, and while he's planning this all our realizes he'll need someone who a) knows more about brains than Morry does, specifically their removal and b) he can trust as a partner.

 

Cue him remembering the wacky mental patient he met however long ago. So he goes back to the asylum and offers him a deal: he'll get him out of the asylum (he could probably pull a few strings, being a Psychonaut...or do an "evaluation" that would "prove" Loboto's sanity--think of Dr. Crane in Batman Begins if you want an example of what I'm thinking of..only with less actually driving people insane) and give him brains to play with if he'll help him. Loboto's no fool, so he accepts.

 

Of course, it's only later that Morry finds out the extent of Loboto's obsession, and also what he's capable of--I suspect that if it was Morry's idea to mutate Linda, he had no idea how far Loboto was going to take the suggestion, given the look on his face in the memory vault (it's very Victor Frankenstein, actually. "I made what?"). But he can't very well give Loboto the boot, since he knows too much and probably wouldn't hesitate to tell it in revenge, and he needs his knowledge of brains still.

 

Tada!

 

...At least, that's how I'd do it, if I were writing that backstory. I'm not even sure if all that makes sense--I think I'm coming down with the Swahilian Death Flu or something, so god only knows. But, yeah. The real answer to your question is, we don't know. We can only guess. And hope there'll be some sort of sequel or something that will explain it.

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