Idea about some force knockdown system

[Maxstate]

Yeah I know but it's more if this will translate into something complex ingame or not.

We'll see

[TheShaman]

This would be for

power 1 : 0.5-4.5 (int 0-4)

power 2 : 2-4.5 (int 2-4)

power 3 : 4.5 (int 4)

Total range 0-4, indeed.

This could be fine.

Just to compare, how many MP does being parried give you? 4 also? or 3? maybe 5? Tell me .

[Maxstate]

1/8th of the bar

[TheShaman]

hum 15/8 = float.

nearly 2? no I think it's more, well it seems at least... isn't it rather 1/5?

[razorace]

I believe the MP cost of getting parried is 4.

[TheShaman]

As I expected. This means the MP increase looks fine, since it's at most like being parried. I'll update my first post.

[Maxstate]

Yup, still 1/8th of the bar approximately. But it seems the bars aren't as wide at the start and get bigger near the end. Provide screenshots I must?

[TheShaman]

Well I think you must, it seems hard to do a bar that is not regular.

Also it's not 1/8, if you read this thready completely, you'll notice MP goes up to 15, 1/8 would be nearly 2, not 4.

[Maxstate]

http://s2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/Maxstate/?action=view&current=shot1084.jpg

 

Looks like an eighth to me although I don't have a linear handy right now

[TheShaman]

Indeed, your estimation was good, I counted the pixels myself, and it's 1/8,4 (yea I'm like that, some crazy guy).

So there's a missing piece of the following :

1) Your meter does not indicate the parry MP increase (maybe you were not parried, or maybe you just regenerated MP right after (shii cho regens fast)).

2) The bar is not regular, it's as you said, harder to fill in the begining, easier at the end.

3) Razorace gave us fake information to toy with our brains, sadistic one.

Gotta inquire to find which one is true.

[razorace]

I'm pretty sure my info is accurate.

[Maxstate]

ooh Razor Ace is becoming a rappah

 

Well good luck on this, is there a bug ticket for it yet?

[JRHockney*]

I believe the MP cost of getting parried is 4.

 

else

{//standard attack

//set blocker

#ifdef _DEBUG

mechBlocker->behaveMode = SABBEHAVE_BLOCK;

#endif

 

//set attacker

if(parried)

{//parry values

if(attacker->client->ps.saberMove == LS_A_LUNGE)

{//attacker's lunge was parried, force mishap.

*attackerMishap = SabBeh_RollBalance(attacker, mechAttacker, qtrue);

}

else

{

*attackerMishap = SabBeh_RollBalance(attacker, mechAttacker, atkparry);

}

SabBeh_AddBalance(attacker, mechAttacker, 2, qtrue);

#ifdef _DEBUG

mechAttacker->behaveMode = SABBEHAVE_ATTACKPARRIED;

#endif

attacker->client->ps.userInt3 |= ( 1 << FLAG_PARRIED );

 

SabBeh_AddBalance(blocker, mechBlocker, -3, qfalse);

}

Doesn't look like its 4 to me. We need to change that especially in the new combat since the attack parries happen less now. Would someone who's not going to work now bug ticket looking into that?

[TheShaman]

Indeed, it's 2, although we were talking about parry, and this part of code is about attack parry, right? And I'm not sure it's the same MP gain.

[razorace]

Oops, I guess is is 2. Maybe we reduced it from 4 since it was too much.

 

Anyway, from memory, attack parries only force Mishaps, they don't actually cause more MP than a normal parry.

[TheShaman]

But attack parries do give MP to the attack parried player? I thought it only forced mishap.

[razorace]

It looks like it does both.

[TheShaman]

But if the attacker suffers a mishap, like a slow bounce or a butter finger thing (I think it's possible with attack parry but not sure anymore), he'll lose 3 MP for suffiring a mishap, and gain 2 for being parried, right? So he'll lose 1 MP.

Or does it behave in another way, like... only gain MP, or only lose MP?

[razorace]

From the code, you can see that he "Rolls" Mishap (and gets mishapped) before the additional MP is added. As such, the +2 MP is added after the MP reduction from the mishap.

[JRHockney*]

If its 2, it should be at least 3 if not 4. Defense is becoming too hard when you just want to do parries and raise there mishap meter.

[razorace]

we can boost those. bug ticket.

[TheShaman]

But I think attack parries should not give as many MP as normal parry, like 3 for attack parry and 4 for normal parry. Because attack parry already forces a mishap.