Taking it Out on the Troops

[JediMaster12]

If you hate it so much, no one is forcing you to stay...that's what I really hate about America...that no matter how much people complain, and how much the government complies, people will continue to complain...but w/e...it's not the government that makes America look bad...it's the general public that complains and complains no matter what...that's what is greedy...

I don't hate America and I do my part by voting down what I think is right and carry on in campaign. I have lived here all my life. I complain because at times I can't understand the logic of people or am pissed off that they misconstrue things into their own twisted ideology. I was also making a point that while we care so much for the idea of freedom, we don't stop and think that we are doing exactly what England has done to us so many years ago.

 

What people dont realize is that...one of the responsibilities of a superpower is to defend the "free world" as you call it, from tyranny

And my good sir are we supposed to do it in such an arrogant manner with no consideration to other cultures or beliefs? We presume so much that the US is better and right and in most cases yeah we are to those that flock to our shores. However when we force it upon a place that has been governed by thousands of years of tradition, you are going to poke the stick at the sleeping giant. That is why I think and have said that, in regards to Iraq, that by forcing a democratic system upon the people, you are coming into conflict with a religious ideology that sees democracy as a devil's invention. Plus you are dealing with tradition and tradition is hard to break.

[GarfieldJL]

Recently Declassified Information

 

By the way, I watched the speech live. This was up top on Fox News.

 

 

However, MSNBC Report was towards the bottom of the page ahead of it included something about a kid sleeping in a trash can being named student of the year. Of course they devote a significant amount of time bashing Bush.

 

 

However this declassified information makes the Dems look like idiots.

[Totenkopf]

And I have not once mentioned the UN. I said nothing about talking to them, asking them for help, or whatever. Either address the points I make or don't bother responding to me.

 

And we, the people, have been in charge of where the government goes to war and who they go to war with for how long? Oh, thats right, never.

 

So our discussion of this topic is entirely irrelevent to our involvement status regarding Darfur.

 

I think the one thing that Windu doesn't take into account, or perhaps discounts entirely, is that foreign policy isn't dictated by racism so much as by resources. If the Sudan had as much oil as the Saudis or Iraq, there'd likely be more involvement by outside forces to maintain some kind of stability for, if nothing else, the purposes of commerce. I don't really believe that much attention is paid to what goes on in places like Burma/Myanmar or Tibet (outside of Hoolywood, I s'ppose) for that very reason.

 

One thing does appear clear this time around, thankfully. That seems to be that the bulk of America won't put up with much of the antics of Vietnam era anti-war/anti-soldier behavior.

[Web Rider]

I think the one thing that Windu doesn't take into account, or perhaps discounts entirely, is that foreign policy isn't dictated by racism so much as by resources. If the Sudan had as much oil as the Saudis or Iraq, there'd likely be more involvement by outside forces to maintain some kind of stability for, if nothing else, the purposes of commerce. I don't really believe that much attention is paid to what goes on in places like Burma/Myanmar or Tibet (outside of Hoolywood, I s'ppose) for that very reason.

 

One thing does appear clear this time around, thankfully. That seems to be that the bulk of America won't put up with much of the antics of Vietnam era anti-war/anti-soldier behavior.

 

 

While I have yet to see any viable resources come out of Iraq, I would probly agree. But then, the government of that country, whatever it is, would also likly exert some control of it's own if they knew they had some kind of commodity the world wanted. As would the people, as the people would know that what they have, somebody wants.

 

But mainly what I was getting and at Windu didn't seem to get was that the guys killing people in Darfur and such areas, are doing it simply because they think a certain group of people needs to die. There's no rhyme nor reason to it beyond that, it's not for money, it's not for great ideals, it's not for resources, it's just because they feel it needs to be done. And if we throw our troops in there, regardless of resources or racism(note both start with an "r" how curious), they're just gonna get added to the list of people who need to die. And that's what they'll do, they'll die, and everybody knows we don't want that. And there's nothing to gain other than improving our image in the worlds eyes. And the world can sit and spin if they think we ought to kill our soldiers for no other reason than to make them happy.

 

I may not like wars, but lets at least fight a war where we stand to gain something valuable. The favor of elitists and snobs who wont go do it themselves is a commodity we can do well without.

 

If we were truly humanitarian, we'd all run down to Darfur and help, but we're not, lets be honest with ourselves, we want something in return for our deaths other than favorable opinions. Playing a martyr is great publicity, but you can only do it once.